how dare you. it's never kenny's fault. come on, you know the rules on here.No, it's Kenny Pickett's fault.
how dare you. it's never kenny's fault. come on, you know the rules on here.No, it's Kenny Pickett's fault.
Shake it Off!i blame toxic masculinity
I don't get that whole thing? who cares, they hardly ever show her during the games?I blame Taylor Swift!!
So, Buffalo is the only offense you'd call modern?To me, what is modern is seeing specific personnel groupings like 10/11 personnel (1 back / no TE) (1 back / 1 TE) that have limited run scheme. The "modern" run game imo - is Inside Zone and Counter G/H. The "modern" tempo seems to be faster as a whole. The "modern" drop back pass game seems to be more 1 read progressions. If you're going fast - you're limited in multiplicity. When you're a 10 personnel team, you have to put the read element into the run game in order level the #'s in the box. This requires have a mobile QB. With 11 personnel, you can essentially become a 20 personnel team and now you can be a little more diverse in the run game. I think odd fronts give 11 personnel issues at times because the run fits make it difficult to find leverage. This is where 12 personnel (1 back / 2 TE's) comes into play. Put 2 TE's on the field and now the safeties have to play very sound football - see Gronk/Hernandez vs the Steelers.
The older pro-style schemes were based in 21 personnel groupings that featured a more diverse run game. When you have 2 backs whether one is an H or a FB leads to more diversity as a whole. San Fran bases from 21 personnel and has no problem getting into both heavy sets 13/22/23 personnel but at the same time will get into 10/11 personnel. Kyle has borrowed a ton from his dad and other mentors but I think the biggest thing he's done is that he has new ways to set up receivers in the play action game. I'm not sure they do much RPO. From what I've seen, I don't think so.
In terms of teams running a "modern" attack, I usually think of Buffalo. Tons of pressure on the QB to play well in order for the offense to be successful where a team like San Fran is more of the sum of parts instead of the whole and that takes pressure off of Purdy.
modern football offenses is like porn. i cant define it but when i see it, i know it..So, Buffalo is the only offense you'd call modern?
It would be nice if he played better so there would be no need to make excuses for him.No, it's Kenny Pickett's fault.
I guess so, people here can't name who plays a modern offense.modern football offenses is like porn. i cant define it but when i see it, i know it..
Since there is currently no reasonable alternative to him, they have to devise an offensive system that he can thrive in.It would be nice if he played better so there would be no need to make excuses for him.
Maybe a losing season would be good, to be able to roll the dice on a top 10 draft pick QB and hopefully luck into another Ben, or not, if that's a bust try again.Since there is currently no reasonable alternative to him, they have to devise an offensive system that he can thrive in.
He obviously needs to be a "system" QB. Operate in his comfort zone, and limit mistakes and do what is asked from him.
The hope is the new OC will recognize this, an tailor the offense to accomplish this.
The same could be said for Rudolph, or any other similarly situated QB.
A QB with the arm, savvy and skillset to be a true franchise QB like Mahomes, Allen, Stroud, or similar is outside of the Steelers reach and essentially not available.
Have to make the best of what you have.
well modern offenses are what ever the latest trends are..I guess so, people here can't name who plays a modern offense.
Not many of any significance!Except a lot of football games.
I hear this as a knock on Tomlin all the time, but how do you do that??Maybe a losing season would be good, to be able to roll the dice on a top 10 draft pick QB and hopefully luck into another Ben, or not, if that's a bust try again.
No excuses. He's not even the real QB1 going into camp so it's not a big deal.It would be nice if he played better so there would be no need to make excuses for him.
No, no. It's wrong to say it's anything other than Kenny's fault.how dare you. it's never kenny's fault. come on, you know the rules on here.
good post freeport. agree, he makes bad teams above average. that is a good thing. it screws us over come draft day but again, making bad rosters decent teams is a positive trait..I hear this as a knock on Tomlin all the time, but how do you do that??
Intentionally lose games?? Isn't that what they asked the Miami coach to do that ended up in a lawsuit?
How do you tank on purpose??
Tomlin's curse is also his strength. He seems to get a lot out of even a weak hand. Hence the "Never had a losing season" mantra, like that's a bad thing???
such rhetoric will not be tolerated on the lair. learn the rulesNo, no. It's wrong to say it's anything other than Kenny's fault.
Depends? Significant enough to get into the playoffs a lot of years.Not many of any significance!
Eh, the loudest ones like it that way.such rhetoric will not be tolerated on the lair. learn the rules
blind loyalty is the way to go..Eh, the loudest ones like it that way.
Oh sure, if you can figure out what everyone is loyal to.blind loyalty is the way to go..
respectable qb play?Oh sure, if you can figure out what everyone is loyal to.
I agree with this to a certain extent.good post freeport. agree, he makes bad teams above average. that is a good thing. it screws us over come draft day but again, making bad rosters decent teams is a positive trait..
it's just that he seems to make really good rosters average or slightly above average teams too. taking a 5-11 roster and going 9-8 is good. taking a 12-5 roster and going 9-8, not soo good..
I'll be honest, they could run the wing-t and I'd be fine with it if the Steelers managed to win a playoff game.respectable qb play?
It's always a pecking order though.I'll be honest, they could run the wing-t and I'd be fine with it if the Steelers managed to win a playoff game.
hanging you hat on wining a single title in the weakest of the power 5 conferences against the traditional powerhouse that is the fighting Brian Piccolos in a three loss season not exactly the greatest comparison model to go with...3 playoff wins in 10 years lol, dear lord that's pathetic. and yet people in this city still defend mediocre mike.
crazy..
my post was about mike tomlin. Brian Piccolo?hanging you hat on wining a single title in the weakest of the power 5 conferences against the traditional powerhouse that is the fighting Brian Piccolos in a three loss season not exactly the greatest comparison model to go with...
But to Pitt that was epic, like winning a Super Bowl, nothing that great has been done by Pitt in almost 50 years.hanging you hat on wining a single title in the weakest of the power 5 conferences against the traditional powerhouse that is the fighting Brian Piccolos in a three loss season not exactly the greatest comparison model to go with...
I was just giving an example. I used them because I watched them recently. I do not watch a lot of NFL football like I used to. I find it to be pretty boring in this day and age.So, Buffalo is the only offense you'd call modern?
So many plays are designed to get PI called.I was just giving an example. I used them because I watched them recently. I do not watch a lot of NFL football like I used to. I find it to be pretty boring in this day and age.
I did find a stat a few weeks ago that might blow some people's minds when it comes to X's and O's and modernity. When everyone says we now live in a passing era where the premise for volume is an absolute must, I read that in today's game we average 33.7 attempts per game. You would think this would be drastically different 30 years ago. However, the league average in 1993 was 32.2 attempts!!!! In 1995 the average was 34.8 attempts per game.
A long time coach friend of mine said the biggest difference in offensive football, is that coaches today have found "easier" ways to score points but the actual QB/WR play hasn't really improved. He blames rules, scheme advances, lack of practice time, and a general lack of fundamentals. Tom Brady recently said the current QB play we've seen is not very good.
So there are ways to design plays to make it easier to get open, throw and score? IMO this is where the Steelers Way is lacking, they don't seem to put a lot of thought into pass routes and schemes.A long time coach friend of mine said the biggest difference in offensive football, is that coaches today have found "easier" ways to score points but the actual QB/WR play hasn't really improved. He blames rules, scheme advances, lack of practice time, and a general lack of fundamentals. Tom Brady recently said the current QB play we've seen is not very good.
Never seemed to have a problem getting Hines, Brown, or JuJu open?So there are ways to design plays to make it easier to get open, throw and score? IMO this is where the Steelers Way is lacking, they don't seem to put a lot of thought into pass routes and schemes.
Could be they've figured out how to defend those patterns, or the current players aren't talented, or the obvious one, no QB with any talent to get the ball there.Never seemed to have a problem getting Hines, Brown, or JuJu open?
Yes things definitely change. People are always figuring out new things, then others figure out how to counter that.......and so it goes!!Could be they've figured out how to defend those patterns, or the current players aren't talented, or the obvious one, no QB with any talent to get the ball there.
That's a problem for an autistic organization obsessed with extreme stability at all costs and never changing anything.Yes things definitely change. People are always figuring out new things, then others figure out how to counter that.......and so it goes!!
The Steelers with Ward used a ton of compressed formations and motions to pry those recievers open. I don't see it as much anymore.So there are ways to design plays to make it easier to get open, throw and score? IMO this is where the Steelers Way is lacking, they don't seem to put a lot of thought into pass routes and schemes.
That's where you miss the genius of it.That's a problem for an autistic organization obsessed with extreme stability at all costs and never changing anything.
I hope your joking? Because they already know how to stop the old thing and just implement it that week.That's where you miss the genius of it.
IF everyone is designing defenses to stop the new thing, then the old thing will work perfectly against it!
The defense last year stunkYet NFL teams seem to think he knows something about defense
Are the ravens modern?I hope your joking? Because they already know how to stop the old thing and just implement it that week.
Personnel???I hope your joking? Because they already know how to stop the old thing and just implement it that week.