Steelers vs Titans
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Who me?
I'm a fan of the Steelers. THE TEAM.
I'm not a fan of individual players.
I'm not a fan of Pitt Alumni specifically, if they play for the Steelers, I want them to make the hall of fame and if they suck, I want them gone. If they play for some other team, I'll root for them, until they play the Steelers, at which time, I'll root for the Steelers to destroy them.
79 me too bud.
i did like Hines Ward , Jerome Bettis , and Lynn Swann though.. they were cool.
Ben was a few years younger when he got here, went 15-1 as a rookie starter, pounded both teams that played in the Super Bowl that year in consecutive weeks while nearly getting to it himself, and then won a Super Bowl in his second season while carrying the team on his back to beat the top three seeds in the AFC.
He might not have been a huge stats eater, but that stuff is going to build you some goodwill up. I agree that when he won close, low-scoring games people praised him and it's often the opposite with Kenny. But I think the difference is he beat the elite teams in the league and he also blew some teams out. The thing with Kenny: It's okay to not go off some weeks. But it also can't be the case that he never goes off. Especially against bad teams.
Kenny needs to get into a Drew Brees-esque zone and never look back. He can't do the superhuman things Ben could do. His game has to be consistency, and it's been anything but.
Passing game is far too horizontal. They don't try to stretch the defense vertically at all. Makes me wonder how much of it is Canada, and how much of it is Tomlin telling Canada how he wants the game called.
When you have to be perfect throwing 4 yard passes, every miss is magnified. Kenny missed several throws, but Diontae dropped two, Austin dropped that long pass, Pickens dropped one (interference?) plus the botched TD, and Harris dropped one.
I always thought Kenny's best throws were the intermediate routes. They don't really play to his strengths, and I think it's because they're terrified about turning the ball over.
I agree. I hate that they never throw down the middle 10-15 yards, when they have like 1st and goal from the 8, that's another spot I'd like to see a slant or a throw somewhere to the middle of the end zone, instead of the traditional 2-yard run! I was pleasantly surprised with the TD pass on 1st and goal, I was all set anticipating the Najee up the middle for a half yard as usual.
This^^^ it's frustrating watching him play week after week, wanting JUST ONCE to see everything clicking and yeah, see 350 yards and 4 TDs, JUST ONCE, now I'm pretty convinced that won't happen, he's played 20 games and has JUST ONE 2 TD game and JUST ONE 300-yard game.
Yep. Sure, you can point to a team every week and say, "Well they won a low-scoring game, too." But it's not the same damn teams every week. Yeah, they might have only beat the Jets 23-20. But the week before, they beat the Bears 41-10.
Another thing with Ben - dude was a quintessential developmental QB. He wasn't supposed to be good right away. Three years at a MAC school, at a time when the league was much more patient with quarterbacks, versus five years at a P5 school in a time when the league will chew you up and spit you out in as little as a few years if you're not producing. Again, not giving up on Pickett yet, but he needs to be the beacon of consistency - the dude who is a thorn in everyone's side because of how well he reads the field. And I think that needs to start this season.
This is Levi’s MO at UK. He’d make splash plays but was a turnover machine in big games The talking heads always are enamored with big arm or the physical tools But as we know there’s a long history of qbs who had those traits that flamed out.
Time will tell if Levis can be a winning qb and me more than just a guy with an impressive arm. Just like the jury is still out on KP. But I’d bet on the guy whose delivered in crunch time early in his career which is incredibly rare
again , put yourselves in the steelers shoes, they had no other option but to draft KFP.
now get the kid some recievers and an OC that is worth a penny.
what do i know
now get the kid some recievers and an OC that is worth a penny.
what do i know
Why does he need to figure this out "real fast"?
He's showing gradual improvement & the Steelers are competitive, while still a work in progress.
Given that the Steelers are not one of the better teams in the league, why would anyone expect them to keep up with the better teams in the league on a consistent basis?
NFL QBR:
19. Josh Dobbs 46.6
20. Sam Howell 45.9
21. Russell Wilson 45.2
22. Jordan Love 43.4
23. Mac Jones 42.9
24. DeShaun Watson 41.8
25. Desmond Ridder 39.4
26. Daniel Jones 39.2
27. Justin Fields 37.4
28. Zach Wilson 36.6
29. Kenny Pickett 36.5
30. Jimmy G 35.4
31. Bryce Young 35.1
32. Ryan Tannehill 32.6
That the company you wanna keep? What's the reputation of most of the guys on the list? How many on the list have been benched?
But I'm fine with having a difference of opinion. I say he needs to figure it out; you, evidently, think he's playing well enough. We can disagree on that.
QB rating determines your and your teams fate?
How much better are top 5 QB rated Allen, Purdy and Herbert's team records?
All led playoff teams last season. Do you think they play on teams with more talent than the Steelers this season?
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It seems to be a damn good barometer; don't you think? Look at the quarterbacks who receive the bulk of the criticism in this league and then look at that list.
Remarkably, Ben's lowest QBR was in 2021... when his arm was shot to hell and everyone watching agreed that he was done. It's almost as if it's an accurate stat.
I never said he's playing well enough. I said I think he's showing gradual improvement.
He's not going to get there "real fast" though. That's just not going to happen.
They know what Pickett is & what he isn't. I think they have a good pulse on what his ceiling is. You can actually see the game slowing down for Kenny some compared to last year. (even earlier this year). If the Steelers can keep the running game going like they did last night, he'll probably have somewhat of a breakout game before too long.
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bro, KFP is the qb , Deal.
the league is set up for teams to be equal.
I give you credit. No one can pull off the Thursday - Sunday bender like you can on a weekly basis. If Kenny had 1/3 of your consistency, we would be in great shape. You're a good man, BreakingPitt. You're a good man.
San Fran is loaded when healthy so yea of course. Other 2 have more as well. But Allen and Herbert are miles better than Pickett. Even if he improves I don’t think Pickett will ever see that level.
Jury still out on Purdy imo. But he’s likely not gonna be Allen or Herbert either.
Mr obvious making an appearance.
Is your win loss record impacted in a big way by qb play? I mean we all know the answer - well maybe not all. The Steelers over the course of the last few years “find a way to win” more often than not. Then get smashed in the playoffs. KP’s play as it stands will get this team nowhere.
The Steelers are a near average team regardless of QB.
If anything our record is better because of our QB
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Pickett does deserve some credit. I’m not totally bashing him. Not intending to anyway. He’s always gutsy. Has some good qualities. But he needs to get much better. And he may. But he misses too many easy throws and his accuracy is absolutely an issue.
Allen looked like a turd early on. And I’m not suggesting Pickett has the same tools. That’s insanity. But it shows that some guys can progress when they initially don’t look very good.
king knows how to be a man...
he would be a true friend, if you ever met him.
my speculation .....
he would be a true friend, if you ever met him.
my speculation .....
Does he need to get better for sure. But how many of those qbs have deliver winning drives in the fourth quarter
Hi well did Terry B the great Trevor Lawrence or any of a long list of qbs do in their first year
Imo I think it’s fair to say the jury is out on KP. But at the same time he’s done some things that few if any young qbs have done
Nailed it. The jury is out for sure but as I said he’s done some things few Young qbs have done
You're either a child rape lover or a hoopie. I know the Stiller fanbase is polluted with nitters and hoopies that hope and pray Kenny doesn't make it here. I hope he does then opts to go elsewhere after he succeeds here and makes the Stillers look like the fools they are.
I would worry a lot more about Pickett's potential at this point had this same offense not looked so bad in Roethlisberger's final year...It was bad then (Canada). It is bad now (Canada). If there was only some commonality that one could point to. Just cannot put my finger on it...
Kenny has some great intangibles. He is a winner, a hard worker and a leader. Those are things that are hard to teach. However he has some flaws in his game that needs to be corrected or he won’t succeed.
For instance, his accuracy, pocket presence, and seeing the entire field.
We all want Kenny to be successful. But that’s the truth
For instance, his accuracy, pocket presence, and seeing the entire field.
We all want Kenny to be successful. But that’s the truth
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Tomlin and Rooney are probably happy Kenny is not very good so far, to them, like for Duzz, passing the ball is not what they want, they like handing off and punting all day and not feeling pressured to call risky pass plays for 55-58 minutes and hope it's still close at that point. With Ben there was pressure to open it up sooner and they hate opening it up at all.
I think KP will start connecting on a lot more of those "easy" throws. A lot of them are throws that we've all seen him make before.
He's getting better, but at times he still doesn't seem adjusted to the speed of the game. I think he sometimes feels more pressure in the pocket than there really is, and other times I think his delivery is off because he isn't either fast enough with his progressions, or confident enough to let it rip.
I don't see how anyone that has followed Kenny's career through college doesn't think Kenny will eventually get it figured out. Kenny's going to work at it until he does. That's who he is. That's why he's wearing black and gold today.
He's never going to be tier one, or elite, but I still think he can be a very good NFL QB.
I hate to declare who is or isn't a "true fan" but anyone that hopes a player on their own supposed team fails because of what school they came from is not a "true fan" just like any Pitt fan rooting against JPJ because he's from Penn State IS NOT A STEELERS FAN.
