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Thank you admitting that people in leadership don't need the expertise of their employees. So why does RFK need to have a clinical background?

He actually did have a parasite in his brain that could have been a larval worm. Heroin was 30 years ago.

What else you got?

That's all, clinical background doesn't bother me, and if you reread my post I said I preferred someone with a clinical background to RFK, not that he needed that background.

So you okay with the head of HHS being an anti-vaxxer?
 
That's all, clinical background doesn't bother me, and if you reread my post I said I preferred someone with a clinical background to RFK, not that he needed that background.

So you okay with the head of HHS being an anti-vaxxer?
He isn't an anti-vaxer. He is perfectly fine with some vaccines and wants all vaccines to be tested with placebo-based trials. All are not tested that way.
 
No real, true Christian would support Trump. And I don't mean that to say that if you are a Christian, you should support Democrats. Its just that Republicans are anti-Christian values. I, myself, am a church going Christian who used to be a Republican but my faith helped turn me away from the party.
How many drugs did you do today?
 
  • Scott Bessent, 62, treasury secretary. If confirmed, the hedge fund manager would be the highest-ranking openly gay official in US history.
  • Ric Grenell, 58, presidential envoy for special missions. He was Trump’s director of national intelligence during his first term.
  • Tammy Bruce, 62, the new State Department spokesperson was a Fox News contributor.
  • Jacob Helberg, 35, undersecretary of state for economic growth, energy, and the environment.
  • Bill White, 57, ambassador to Belgium.
  • Art Fisher, 49, ambassador to Austria.
"And at least 10 other prominent LGBT Americans are slated for major administration posts, one Trump insider said."
See now why did you do that for him?
 
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If you listen to both talk for 30 seconds and there's an obvious difference lol.
I completely agree. There is no comparison. Just not the way you think. One guy was paid millions to speak to millions on tv and the other, well, maybe he’s better suited to be a stay at home mom.
 
Trump lies like every politician. His lies are typically harmless bragging. He doesn't lie about the big things. I am capable of filtering through his lies to understand the truth behind his statements.
Most of Trump’s lies are just gross exaggerations which, like you say, a sensible person can easily filter through. I’ll easily take those over the out and out intentional lies spewed by many politicians.
 
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Trump lies like every politician. His lies are typically harmless bragging. He doesn't lie about the big things. I am capable of filtering through his lies to understand the truth behind his statements.

Most of Trump’s lies are just gross exaggerations which, like you say, a sensible person can easily filter through. I’ll easily take those over the out and out intentional lies spewed by many politicians.

Making unintelligent people create their reality based their selective listening, is quite the skill for any conman.

This is easy, when he said, "I just walk up them and grab them by the pussy." What he really meant was "his followers are some of the stupidest MFers. I showed them my ass over and over again then these losers still support me. "
 
Making unintelligent people create their reality based their selective listening, is quite the skill for any conman.

This is easy, when he said, "I just walk up them and grab them by the pussy." What he really meant was "his followers are some of the stupidest MFers. I showed them my ass over and over again then these losers still support me. "
I'll repeat something said thousands of times. Trump represents a lot of policies that I support. I never support the man, but I do support the policies.

I guess you support the dems who lie to you.
 
What are those policies specifically ?
Buying crypto?
Tariffs ?
Opposing free speech?
I disagree with most of those. Where did I ever say that I agree with 100% of his policies.

I agree with policies re the border, DOGE, education, trans, tax cuts, Ukraine, NATO, energy, reciprocal tariffs, and more.
 
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And I’ll ask again -
Then why did Trump negotiate and sign such a bad deal ?

Was he incompetent ?

What is unfair in our trade with Mexico and Canada specially ?

Your obsession with political parties and members of those parties is noted. Seems all you care about.

Have you ever sold and implemented projects in Canada for a US company? Hint, I have. They're as bad or worse than many EU countries. There's more to trade than widgets crossing the border.

Maybe take a break and sit this one out, or stick to political discourse.
 
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He isn't an anti-vaxer. He is perfectly fine with some vaccines and wants all vaccines to be tested with placebo-based trials. All are not tested that way.
Placebo based trials for vaccines are problematic ethically. For existing vaccines with a track record, you would need to withhold treatment from some participants for the sole reason of testing the efficacy of the vaccine. To prove this efficacy some in the placebo group will need to be exposed to the infectious agent and get a disease that likely would have been prevented from say the measles or polio vaccine.
Likewise vaccine development during a public health crisis is done under emergency circumstances when people are dying.
It's pretty complicated from both the clinical research outcome measurements and sample sizes, and moreso with the research ethical concerns.
 
I disagree with most of those. Where did I ever say that I agree with 100% of his policies.

I agree with policies re the border, DOGE, education, trans, tax cuts, Ukraine, NATO, energy, reciprocal tariffs, and more.
So you oppose free trade as a concept .
Doge isn’t a policy .
What regarding education ? Removing Pell grants and school lunches ?
What has changed about trans as a policy ? How has that improved your life ?

What is Trump’s actual energy policy ?
Because it seems to be increasing prices with tariffs on imports
 
Placebo based trials for vaccines are problematic ethically. For existing vaccines with a track record, you would need to withhold treatment from some participants for the sole reason of testing the efficacy of the vaccine. To prove this efficacy some in the placebo group will need to be exposed to the infectious agent and get a disease that likely would have been prevented from say the measles or polio vaccine.
Likewise vaccine development during a public health crisis is done under emergency circumstances when people are dying.
It's pretty complicated from both the clinical research outcome measurements and sample sizes, and moreso with the research ethical concerns.
The placebo trial is the control group of the unvaccinated , let’s be honest
RFK is a failed environmental lawyer with zero knowledge or understanding of public health .

These goofballs have zero experience reading medical literature.
Hell- the new a NIH was on Trump’s radar as a nih guy who refused the Trump vaccine .
 
I'll repeat something said thousands of times. Trump represents a lot of policies that I support. I never support the man, but I do support the policies.

I guess you support the dems who lie to you.

Which "policies"?
 
Placebo based trials for vaccines are problematic ethically. For existing vaccines with a track record, you would need to withhold treatment from some participants for the sole reason of testing the efficacy of the vaccine. To prove this efficacy some in the placebo group will need to be exposed to the infectious agent and get a disease that likely would have been prevented from say the measles or polio vaccine.
Likewise vaccine development during a public health crisis is done under emergency circumstances when people are dying.
It's pretty complicated from both the clinical research outcome measurements and sample sizes, and moreso with the research ethical concerns.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I was thrice vaxxed for Covid and now since I am older, generally get flu shots and just reupped my shingles vaccine.

Where I had a problem when Covid started morphing into other variants and really it started to lose it punch, it was realized the vaccine neither stopped one from getting it or spreading it. It became essentially a flu shot. At that point, all mandates should have been lifted anyone who lost their job reinstated, but they still pressed on for a period of time on the mandates. That was wrong.

Secondly....it was Trump who fast tracked the development of vaccines, yet he gets no credit from the left. In fact Kamala was on record of not taking a vaccine "rammed through under Trump" (sound familiar?). Yeah I know "bleach", "invectamine" etc....but the fact is, Trump was looking for solutions whether you liked it or not. Trump should have done what none of you would have allowed him to do and that was banning travel from foreign countries where Covid was already rampant...but you know RACIST! XENOPHOBIC!! Trump could do only one thing to appease many of you and that is...well die.
 
While this is true and he won every swing state, the election was still very close.

- He only got 49.8% of the popular vote
- won PA by 1.7%
- won MI by 1.4%
- won WI by 0.9%

That's still really really close, just not as close as we are used to. It's certainly not a "mandate."
It’s a mandate.

You can continue to side with Joy, Whoopie and Rachel…or you can be a man and accept it.

 
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I am not an anti vaxxer. I was thrice vaxxed for Covid and now since I am older, generally get flu shots and just reupped my shingles vaccine.

Where I had a problem when Covid started morphing into other variants and really it started to lose it punch, it was realized the vaccine neither stopped one from getting it or spreading it. It became essentially a flu shot. At that point, all mandates should have been lifted anyone who lost their job reinstated, but they still pressed on for a period of time on the mandates. That was wrong.

Secondly....it was Trump who fast tracked the development of vaccines, yet he gets no credit from the left. In fact Kamala was on record of not taking a vaccine "rammed through under Trump" (sound familiar?). Yeah I know "bleach", "invectamine" etc....but the fact is, Trump was looking for solutions whether you liked it or not. Trump should have done what none of you would have allowed him to do and that was banning travel from foreign countries where Covid was already rampant...but you know RACIST! XENOPHOBIC!! Trump could do only one thing to appease many of you and that is...well die.

Let's give the credit where it's due, A biochemist from Hungary and an American immunologist. They are ones who figured out mRNA back in 2005.
 
The current economy is still Biden's. No Trump policy has had time to impact it.

The market is Trump's. It is a buying opportunity for those smart enough to know Biden's market was fake.
You sound just like the borderline retarded guy on Fox News Larry Kudlow who is blaming Biden for today's collapse. Brain rot.
 
I am not an anti vaxxer. I was thrice vaxxed for Covid and now since I am older, generally get flu shots and just reupped my shingles vaccine.

Where I had a problem when Covid started morphing into other variants and really it started to lose it punch, it was realized the vaccine neither stopped one from getting it or spreading it. It became essentially a flu shot. At that point, all mandates should have been lifted anyone who lost their job reinstated, but they still pressed on for a period of time on the mandates. That was wrong.

Secondly....it was Trump who fast tracked the development of vaccines, yet he gets no credit from the left. In fact Kamala was on record of not taking a vaccine "rammed through under Trump" (sound familiar?). Yeah I know "bleach", "invectamine" etc....but the fact is, Trump was looking for solutions whether you liked it or not. Trump should have done what none of you would have allowed him to do and that was banning travel from foreign countries where Covid was already rampant...but you know RACIST! XENOPHOBIC!! Trump could do only one thing to appease many of you and that is...well die.
I agree with much of what you say here. What I posted really wasn't political, just how placebo controlled vaccine trials are impractical in most circumstances. For significant conditions where existing effective therapy exists, withholding treatment for the purposes of testing another treatment is considered unethical. Those trials need to compare the two treatments head-to-head (Usually done using a type of study called a non-inferiority trial, or an equivalence trial, or a superiority trial).

Clinical trials research is in my wheelhouse. I'm supposed to be writing up my own research ethics application for a clinical trial right now, but instead I am wasting my life on ex-Panther-Lair.

My experience of Covid is very different than most posters here. We did hard lock-downs and border closures here in NZ. We had hotels turned into quarantine facilities and people ratting out their neighbours for not wearing masks.

Much of what we were told turned out to not be true. The authorities may have thought some of it was true and turned out it wasn't. But I think some of this was known to be ineffective and churned out anyways for whatever reasons. The vaccine probably saved lives and reduced disease severity, but it did not prevent spread (as we were told it would). So mandates really weren't protecting "the herd". It probably reduced the burden on the healthcare system so the system could continue to function and provide other essential services. You can't perform neurosurgery, cardiac and some cancer surgery if the ICUs are full of Covid patients. Does that justify vaccine mandates? Not sure about that.

We were tracked everywhere we went. To enter the grocery, or anywhere, you had to scan a QR code to a phone tracking app for contact tracing. That's helpful when there are only a few cases. When it is rampant it is useless. Masks were required. Masks probably did very little.

But some things did help, and Covid didn't rip through here hard until 2022.

I changed the words to Pink Floyds "The Wall" during those times. I knew an ophthalmologist who refused the vaccine and ended up getting deported back to the UK. They stripped his medical license...basically destroyed him and his family. At a time when people were losing their eyesight due to there not being enough eye surgeons in NZ. So dumb!

I included him and the then Health Minister (and then former PM) in my song.

We don't need no vaccination.
We don't need no QR codes.
No contact tracing in the classroom.
Hipkins leave Deepak alone.
Hey Hipkins. Leave Deepak alone.

(How can you have any pudding if you didn't get your shots!)
 
It's all going to plan. To be fair, a recession was probably going to be unavoidable after the out-of-control stock market over the last 10 years. I think the thought was Trump's economic policies would stunt a recession and make it manageable. But we are probably heading towards Great Recession 2009 territory. And Republicans always do this:

Bush: Mortgage Crisis/Great Recession
Trump: Terrible covid response
Trump 2.0: Tariffs and mass layoffs
What do you mean by terrible COVID response?
 
I am not an anti vaxxer. I was thrice vaxxed for Covid and now since I am older, generally get flu shots and just reupped my shingles vaccine.

Where I had a problem when Covid started morphing into other variants and really it started to lose it punch, it was realized the vaccine neither stopped one from getting it or spreading it. It became essentially a flu shot. At that point, all mandates should have been lifted anyone who lost their job reinstated, but they still pressed on for a period of time on the mandates. That was wrong.

Secondly....it was Trump who fast tracked the development of vaccines, yet he gets no credit from the left. In fact Kamala was on record of not taking a vaccine "rammed through under Trump" (sound familiar?). Yeah I know "bleach", "invectamine" etc....but the fact is, Trump was looking for solutions whether you liked it or not. Trump should have done what none of you would have allowed him to do and that was banning travel from foreign countries where Covid was already rampant...but you know RACIST! XENOPHOBIC!! Trump could do only one thing to appease many of you and that is...well die.
There was no mandates

I gave Trump credit for uaung the Defense Production Act , entirely .
It was his only policy success .

Trump did ban travel as did plenty of other countries . What the hell are you talking about ?

The funny thing is- the vaccine did work - it dramatically reduced hospitalization and mortality .
People simply don’t understand public health and how the immune system works
 
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What do you mean by terrible COVID response?
Chaotic as usual.
He didn’t lead- he deferred to states and then attacked states for their actions.
It was weak . He was juvenile as usual .
If perhaps he didn’t dismantle department which was built to respond to a pandemic
And of course - he didn’t stand by his own decisions- he attacked his advisors.

To his credit - he used the defense production act to work on the vaccines in scale .

Let’s be honest - folks on the right lost their minds over Obama’s response to swine flu and Ebola , too .
Neither had the mortality that covid has in the US
 
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It’s the smallest victory in modern history .
Biden had a mandate . Obama had a mandate .
They didn’t win every swing state. They didn’t add voters in every county in the country. It’s a mandate. Your guys have an approval rating below 25% so I’d say it’s a pretty strong mandate. And they can go and they can do crazy weird protests at the joint session tonight, they can do planned walkouts and bring props and noisemakers, and it will just show the American people how out of touch and weird they are.

President trump is flawed, but he is blessed by having really stupid and weird opposition.
 
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Chaotic as usual.
He didn’t lead- he deferred to states and then attacked states for their actions.
It was weak . He was juvenile as usual .
If perhaps he didn’t dismantle department which was built to respond to a pandemic
And of course - he didn’t stand by his own decisions- he attacked his advisors.

To his credit - he used the defense production act to work on the vaccines in scale .

Let’s be honest - folks on the right lost their minds over Obama’s response to swine flu and Ebola , too .
Neither had the mortality that covid has in the US
Agree that it was chaotic & weak. I thought he was trying to play both sides because it was an election year. Trump was 100% responsible for trotting out Fauci every night and then attacking Kemp & DeSantis for actually showing leadership. He paid the price at the ballot box.
 
Trump won 312 electoral votes. That's actually more than Biden in 2020.

The "so-called" popular vote isn't even mentioned in the constitution. It's totally meaningless because isn't even a thing.
He won by 0.5%
It’s why Republicans in Congress are cancelling town halls .
It’s that fatally weak already .
Now with stagflation on the way !
 
Agree that it was chaotic & weak. I thought he was trying to play both sides because it was an election year. Trump was 100% responsible for trotting out Fauci every night and then attacking Kemp & DeSantis for actually showing leadership. He paid the price at the ballot box.
Fauci and Birks are actual experts
Trump just couldn’t stay off the stage
 
They didn’t win every swing state. They didn’t add voters in every county in the country. It’s a mandate. Your guys have an approval rating below 25% so I’d say it’s a pretty strong mandate. And they can go and they can do crazy weird protests at the joint session tonight, they can do planned walkouts and bring props and noisemakers, and it will just show the American people how out of touch and weird they are.

President trump is flawed, but he is blessed by having really stupid and weird opposition.
Trump can’t and won’t govern
And you all will again blame someone else .

Buddy - republicans are cancelling town halls because of how unpopular they are - in safe red places .
Strength and mandates don’t do that
It’s a clown show again , with even dumber clowns
 
I agree with much of what you say here. What I posted really wasn't political, just how placebo controlled vaccine trials are impractical in most circumstances. For significant conditions where existing effective therapy exists, withholding treatment for the purposes of testing another treatment is considered unethical. Those trials need to compare the two treatments head-to-head (Usually done using a type of study called a non-inferiority trial, or an equivalence trial, or a superiority trial).

Clinical trials research is in my wheelhouse. I'm supposed to be writing up my own research ethics application for a clinical trial right now, but instead I am wasting my life on ex-Panther-Lair.

My experience of Covid is very different than most posters here. We did hard lock-downs and border closures here in NZ. We had hotels turned into quarantine facilities and people ratting out their neighbours for not wearing masks.

Much of what we were told turned out to not be true. The authorities may have thought some of it was true and turned out it wasn't. But I think some of this was known to be ineffective and churned out anyways for whatever reasons. The vaccine probably saved lives and reduced disease severity, but it did not prevent spread (as we were told it would). So mandates really weren't protecting "the herd". It probably reduced the burden on the healthcare system so the system could continue to function and provide other essential services. You can't perform neurosurgery, cardiac and some cancer surgery if the ICUs are full of Covid patients. Does that justify vaccine mandates? Not sure about that.

We were tracked everywhere we went. To enter the grocery, or anywhere, you had to scan a QR code to a phone tracking app for contact tracing. That's helpful when there are only a few cases. When it is rampant it is useless. Masks were required. Masks probably did very little.

But some things did help, and Covid didn't rip through here hard until 2022.

I changed the words to Pink Floyds "The Wall" during those times. I knew an ophthalmologist who refused the vaccine and ended up getting deported back to the UK. They stripped his medical license...basically destroyed him and his family. At a time when people were losing their eyesight due to there not being enough eye surgeons in NZ. So dumb!

I included him and the then Health Minister (and then former PM) in my song.

We don't need no vaccination.
We don't need no QR codes.
No contact tracing in the classroom.
Hipkins leave Deepak alone.
Hey Hipkins. Leave Deepak alone.

(How can you have any pudding if you didn't get your shots!)

The U.S. never did a vaccine mandates although you will hear the constant whining of little man-babies to the contrary.

I (and every normal American) would take your country's response over ours.

This comment "The vaccine probably saved lives and reduced disease severity, but it did not prevent spread (as we were told it would)." is a bit misleading. The original strain is what they were talking about but it morphed into different variants. Which the vaccines were still effective in preventing your death.
 
Trump can’t and won’t govern
And you all will again blame someone else .

Buddy - republicans are cancelling town halls because of how unpopular they are - in safe red places .
Strength and mandates don’t do that
It’s a clown show again , with even dumber clowns
No they aren't. Lol. Republicans are only cancelling town halls because some dumbass constituents that voted for them are going to have their federal jobs cut, and they don't want a select few creating a scene that the media will try to spin as widespread outrage.
 
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