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The myth of ND making the CFP

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I am so surprised at all the talking heads that have no concept that the committee is ranking resumes not teams (as they should). This isnt the garbage AP or coach's poll. They are 5th, they dont move up to 4th because someone ahead of them loses. The committee starts fresh each week and reranks the resumes.

Here are your playoff teams:

Clemson if they go 13-0.
The SEC Champion if it only has 1 loss
The Big Ten Champion if its undefeated
The Big 12 Champ if its undefeated

Clemson has a tiebreaker over ND so the only way ND makes it is if they win out, the B10 champ loses, the SEC Champ has 2 losses, and the B12 champ has a loss.

ND could possibly make it over a 13-0 Iowa.
 
ND will destroy Wake and BC the next two weeks. If they win at Stanford in the final game of the year, they have the inside track. Here's why:

Baylor's QB is out the rest of the year, they won't run the table.
Only one of MSU, OSU, and Iowa can end undefeated
Only one SEC team.... tonight's winner.... will be in the running.
After ND beats Stanford, the P12 will be *OUT* of the playoffs.

The four teams will be:

1. One of Bama or LSU
2. One of MSU, OSU, and Iowa
3. Clemson
4. winner of ND/Stanford

5th will be OKSt if they run the table. But they will lose to Oklahoma. There won't be any undefeated B12 teams.
 
I don't know if an undefeated Big 12 team gets in over ND, but with Baylor's QB out I think their only chance now is OK State. OK State is good, but I don't see the Big 12 having an undefeated team. If Notre Dame wins out, they're in. Just look at the BCS Bowls they were placed in where they shouldn't have and got killed. Now I don't think that's the case now, I think they are deservedly good enough. Point is though, anything Notre Dame does is looked at differently than if another team does it.
 
Teh Teh said:
They make it the same reason osu made it last year... TV ratings
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So who should have made it over OSU last year?

Seeing as how OSU won the NC last year (all they had to do was beat Bama and Oregon) it would be pretty hard to say they didn't deserve to be in the playoff, no?
 
Judging by the regular season, no way Ohio State should've even been thought of for the playoffs. TCU and Baylor had the only real arguments for that last spot. Ohio State though did start playing their best football at the end of the season, took advantage of the opportunity, and proved they were the best team in the land. Basically they made the CFP committee's blunder look like a genius move.

What happened afterwards had nothing to do with the selection though. You have to look at the entire season's picture and fact was Ohio State, TCU, and Baylor all had 1 loss. Ohio State's by far was the worst. TCU and Baylor had tougher schedules also. You can't use hindsight to say well, they got it right. Credit to Ohio State no doubt, but that was a total cop-out because they couldn't decide which Big 12 "Co-Champion" to invite, so they avoided that scenario altogether.
 
Pittx9 said:
Judging by the regular season, no way Ohio State should've even been thought of for the playoffs. TCU and Baylor had the only real arguments for that last spot. Ohio State though did start playing their best football at the end of the season, took advantage of the opportunity, and proved they were the best team in the land. Basically they made the CFP committee's blunder look like a genius move.

What happened afterwards had nothing to do with the selection though. You have to look at the entire season's picture and fact was Ohio State, TCU, and Baylor all had 1 loss. Ohio State's by far was the worst. TCU and Baylor had tougher schedules also. You can't use hindsight to say well, they got it right. Credit to Ohio State no doubt, but that was a total cop-out because they couldn't decide which Big 12 "Co-Champion" to invite, so they avoided that scenario altogether.
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Right. It's just like when the basketball selection committee screws up one of the last at large teams and puts someone in who doesn't deserve it, and then that team wins a game or two. Inevitably someone says that the fact that they won a game or two is proof that the committee got it right. Which, of course, it isn't.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
Right. It's just like when the basketball selection committee screws up one of the last at large teams and puts someone in who doesn't deserve it, and then that team wins a game or two. Inevitably someone says that the fact that they won a game or two is proof that the committee got it right. Which, of course, it isn't.
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Exactly the same thing yes. If anything, all it proves is the coach of that team really played the "nobody is giving us a chance card" and the players rallied behind and won some games they weren't supposed to. In Ohio State's case though, I may or may not be in the minority after what's been going on this year, but I really think there is no chance on Earth they win it all if Cardale Jones does not take over at QB. Miller or Barrett were not taking that team all the way. Jones was an absolute monster and was completely unstoppable. He played what like 3-4 games? and was looked at as the #1 overall pick after those games.
 
Notre Dame is a very good team this year. They handled a decent USC team and crushed a good Navy team. Similarly, they took care of GT and beat Virginia after losing their starting qb for the year. They may not necessarily be as good as they looked today BUT they are definitely top 10. If they beat Stanford and teams like Baylor lose they have a legit shot to get in. Usually, I will be the first to declare a team doesn't deserve it due to a schedule and this is most often the case with ND. However, this year they are pretty damned talented and I think they will continue to climb.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I am so surprised at all the talking heads that have no concept that the committee is ranking resumes not teams (as they should). This isnt the garbage AP or coach's poll. They are 5th, they dont move up to 4th because someone ahead of them loses. The committee starts fresh each week and reranks the resumes.

Here are your playoff teams:

Clemson if they go 13-0.
The SEC Champion if it only has 1 loss
The Big Ten Champion if its undefeated
The Big 12 Champ if its undefeated

Clemson has a tiebreaker over ND so the only way ND makes it is if they win out, the B10 champ loses, the SEC Champ has 2 losses, and the B12 champ has a loss.

ND could possibly make it over a 13-0 Iowa.
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I agree although it's highly unlikely anyone in the big 12 goes undefeated. a one loss big 12 team will not pass a one loss notre dame.
 
echowaker said:
I agree although it's highly unlikely anyone in the big 12 goes undefeated. a one loss big 12 team will not pass a one loss notre dame.
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As they shouldn't. Nobody in the Big 12 has a good enough resume to even make that argument. May not happen, but I could at least say with certainty a 1 loss Notre Dame would have an even better resume than a still unbeaten Big 12 team.
 
Here's what I see the playoffs. 1. Clemson. (Clemson gets unexpected boost by a win in the ACC Champ game by beating a then top 10 UNC team). 2. Alabama. 3. Notre Dame (provided ND runs the table 4, tOSU (they may lose one of the Michigan games but a win over Iowa in the BIG title game recalibrates them)

The Big 12 is out as TCU has lost, Baylor will lose w/o their starting QB and OK State will lose, and OU already has 2 losses.
 
recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Here's what I see the playoffs. 1. Clemson. (Clemson gets unexpected boost by a win in the ACC Champ game by beating a then top 10 UNC team). 2. Alabama. 3. Notre Dame (provided ND runs the table 4, tOSU (they may lose one of the Michigan games but a win over Iowa in the BIG title game recalibrates them)

The Big 12 is out as TCU has lost, Baylor will lose w/o their starting QB and OK State will lose, and OU already has 2 losses.
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Ohio State cant lose. Their schedule is far too weak. If they lose in Ann Arbor, Mich wins the East if punt-gate is their only loss. No way OSU makes it at 11-1 without even winning their division.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Ohio State cant lose. Their schedule is far too weak. If they lose in Ann Arbor, Mich wins the East if punt-gate is their only loss. No way OSU makes it at 11-1 without even winning their division.
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Ohio State has not looked impressive most of this season in their wins. Michigan, Michigan State, or even Iowa in the Big 10 Championship Game all have a chance at beating them. I wouldn't bet on any of those things happening, but Ohio State has not shown enough to make me believe they can't lose to a good team.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I am so surprised at all the talking heads that have no concept that the committee is ranking resumes not teams (as they should). This isnt the garbage AP or coach's poll. They are 5th, they dont move up to 4th because someone ahead of them loses. The committee starts fresh each week and reranks the resumes.

Here are your playoff teams:

Clemson if they go 13-0.
The SEC Champion if it only has 1 loss
The Big Ten Champion if its undefeated
The Big 12 Champ if its undefeated

Clemson has a tiebreaker over ND so the only way ND makes it is if they win out, the B10 champ loses, the SEC Champ has 2 losses, and the B12 champ has a loss.

ND could possibly make it over a 13-0 Iowa.
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If Notre Dame wins out they are going to make it. Their last game is Stanford which would be a marqui win. And they currently rank 5th. The thing to watch right now is will the committee drop LSU below Notre Dame. They should based on their inability to give Alabama much of a game.
 
If, if, if... Stanford's really good with clown stompings of UCLA, @Zona and @Washington. A double digit win @ USC as well. I like the Cardinal at home over the Irish.
 
Jakey_John said:
Notre Dame is a very good team this year. They handled a decent USC team and crushed a good Navy team. Similarly, they took care of GT and beat Virginia after losing their starting qb for the year. They may not necessarily be as good as they looked today BUT they are definitely top 10. If they beat Stanford and teams like Baylor lose they have a legit shot to get in. Usually, I will be the first to declare a team doesn't deserve it due to a schedule and this is most often the case with ND. However, this year they are pretty damned talented and I think they will continue to climb.
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I'd definitely put them in my Top Ten. But anyone who puts them into the playoffs has a short memory and can't recall how they got embarrassed the last time that they were "gifted" a trip to the national championship game. Manti Te'o still has the cleat marks on his chest after that fiasco.
 
That Alabama team beat LSU 21-0 the year before. The Tigers never even crossed mid-field, not once.

I guess that anyone who puts LSU in the playoffs "has a short memory and can't recall how they got embarrassed the last time their were 'gifted' a trip to the national championship game"??
 
Panther Parrothead said:
I'd definitely put them in my Top Ten. But anyone who puts them into the playoffs has a short memory and can't recall how they got embarrassed the last time that they were "gifted" a trip to the national championship game. Manti Te'o still has the cleat marks on his chest after that fiasco.
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The committee isn't about to say " we'd put Notre Dame in but they got trounced 3 years ago". Kinda sounds stupid, no?
 
wbrpanther said:
The committee isn't about to say " we'd put Notre Dame in but they got trounced 3 years ago". Kinda sounds stupid, no?
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Sure, it's stupid. They'd never admit it - that the reason that Notre Dame got in three years ago was simply because they're Notre Dame and they'd draw a big television audience. But while I generally don't go out of my way to root against Notre Dame, I was so happy to see them get their clocks cleaned because I knew, as many other fans knew, that they didn't belong in that arena. The Pitt game and the Stanford games were typical of the "gifts" that Notre Dame receives all too frequently.
 
TerryD44 said:
That Alabama team beat LSU 21-0 the year before. The Tigers never even crossed mid-field, not once.

I guess that anyone who puts LSU in the playoffs "has a short memory and can't recall how they got embarrassed the last time their were 'gifted' a trip to the national championship game"??
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Duh...you missed the point, Skippy. Notre Dame got into the title game only because the game officials in their Pitt and Stanford games gave them the games. With decent officiating, those two games clearly should've been two losses, and would've knocked them out of the Top Ten - let alone the game for a national title.

Your LSU example has no relevance here.
 
Panther Parrothead said:
Duh...you missed the point, Skippy. Notre Dame got into the title game only because the game officials in their Pitt and Stanford games gave them the games. With decent officiating, those two games clearly should've been two losses, and would've knocked them out of the Top Ten - let alone the game for a national title.

Your LSU example has no relevance here.
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Who calls someone "Skippy" on a message board? Strange.

The Stanford RB never crossed the goal line. I have seen that play fifty times from many angles.

So, your Stanford reference has no relevance here.

Good luck to Pitt.
 
Pitt79 said:
This is what sucks about this SUBJECTIVE NONSENSE, any P5 undefeated team should make it over ANY one loss team.
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Key word here is should. But the playoff system is still too open ended and subjective ( on purpose).
The MONEY factor will still be a major influence in who's in or out.
 
Panther Parrothead said:
Sure, it's stupid. They'd never admit it - that the reason that Notre Dame got in three years ago was simply because they're Notre Dame and they'd draw a big television audience. But while I generally don't go out of my way to root against Notre Dame, I was so happy to see them get their clocks cleaned because I knew, as many other fans knew, that they didn't belong in that arena. The Pitt game and the Stanford games were typical of the "gifts" that Notre Dame receives all too frequently.
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They won them all that year, although we all know they didn't really beat Pitt. If they win the rest this year they are going to be in, like it or not. I also think they are much more legit this year.
 
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