The Narduzzi Contract

[TD_6082]

So Pitt fires Narduzzi and either lures Nick Saban out of retirement or hires the 2025 version of Gerry Faust and it will make no substantial difference in where the program is and how much it wins over the next four years?

😂 Let me be a little more clear...

Pick any coach and let them work with the same budget, same NIL, etc.

I've seen Nick Saban coach several years when he didn't have a significant talent advantage in his days at Michigan State and with the Dolphins. It really wasn't very good. In 5 years at Michigan State, he averaged less than 7 wins per season. I'm not for certain, but I don't think he managed to go .500 in Miami.

 

[Islanderpanther]

The Narduzzi contract…can we rehire Lyke and then fire her all over again for the mess she has made!

If you want to talk results, Pitt isn't going to get any better results than they have already gotten under Narduzzi. Doesn't matter if the coach is Narduzzi or someone else. That isn't defeatist. It's reality.

Most coaching changes are good to clear the air and feed some grass to the sheep. There really isn't that much substance behind them unless it relates to a procurement of talent. And 4 or 5 years ago, it mattered. Today it really doesn't. Indiana got their bump because Cigs was able to bring over an ungodly number of upperclassmen & IU's schedule was ass. Next year, the Hoosiers will go right back to being irrelevant.

They can keep Narduzzi, fire Narduzzi, whatever... Success isn't really possible or sustainable without getting high end talent. Can't be done.

blah, blah, blah pure horse manure. Spoken like a PSU troll.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Stability = how long anyone keeps you around. He’s certainly stabilized that Pitt is a 6-6 to 8-4 type of program with an occasional outlier though.

That's the ceiling for the Pitt program, outside of the 10 win season once every 40 years.

 

[pittmeister]

Lol, where to even begin with this.

1. Stability - this is an adjective people use when there really isn't anything all that appealing to say about a coach. It's like a realtor saying a house has potential. Everybody knows what you're saying. Who cares about stability? I want results. Narduzzi was 8-4 and 8-4 in history first two seasons here. In his most two recent he'll be 3-9 and 7-5. Tell me more about this "stability." If anything it's time to experience the recruiting bump that comes with bringing in a new coach.

2. What a sanctimonious take to act like we couldn't do any better with anyone else. Like, that's borderline insane. You'd have told me Syracuse couldn't do any better than Dino Babers if you were a fan of them. Nope, after Dino averaging 5 wins for 8 years, they're going to win 8 or 9 this season. You'd have told me Kansas couldn't make a bowl again before Leipold got there. You'd have told me there's no way 1-11 Colorado could go 8-3 in year two of a new coach's tenure. Do you want 1,000 more examples? Ever hear of a school called Indiana?

Guess what we're also proving? Stability doesn't mean a damn thing. Ask Wake Forest how they're enjoying years 10 and 11 of Dave Clawson.

To say that people don't understand that Narduzzi is the best we can do... get out of here with that defeatist nonsense.

There is the flipside…I don’t blame posters for getting it off their chest. After a day or two, you need clarity. What separates posters on this board is how long do they continue to rant and be irrational.

Bitter losses are not limited to Pitt football. If you want a sorry group of fans to talk to, try Texas A&M. Their last National Championship was in 1939. They have more money than God. They have great support. They hire and fire coaches at will, and they still can’t get it done. They don’t believe in stability; they believe in results and they ain’t getting’ them.

Some others to consider:

Ole Miss – Last National Championship: 1960
Arkansas - Last National Championship: 1964
Iowa - Last National Championship: 1958
Kentucky – No National Championship
South Carolina – No National Championship

There’s lots more schools that are bigger, have more money and better support that I could list…You don’t think they want to win???? How about our contemporaries:

VT, NC, NCST, Virginia, Duke, WVU, Louisville, Wake, BC…. How many National Championships and conference titles do they have? Besides Clemson, FSU and Miami, they got nothing on Pitt…I can go on and on…

How many players do these schools have that are in the PFHOF? CFHOF? How many All-Americans?

Narduzzi is not perfect. Does he piss me off? Hell yes. The fact remains that he’s the best we’ve had since Majors/Sherrill. You don’t believe me?

Compare records. Compare most wins against teams that finished in the Top 25. Compare conference championships. Compare Narduzzi’s best wins against previous head coaches not named Majors and Sherrill. How about All-Americans? MSU has not been the same since Narduzzi left. Truth.

Could we do better? Maybe. But how long before he gets poached? It’s not that easy. If you fire Narduzzi tomorrow, you’ll get the same results or worse from the next coach. I believe that 100%

The answer is not an on-campus stadium or changing head coaches and buying out their contracts.

It’s more money. Mo money = better players, recruiters and coaches.

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[King Of All Message Boards]

That's the ceiling for the Pitt program, outside of the 10 win season once every 40 years.

Oh I get it believe me. With that history it’s very hard to argue against it. And unless there’s some major money people coming forward it’s not gonna change.

 

[Islanderpanther]

That's the ceiling for the Pitt program, outside of the 10 win season once every 40 years.

More horse manure from the Penn st site.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Oh I get it believe me. With that history it’s very hard to argue against it. And unless there’s some major money people coming forward it’s not gonna change.

Bussing students to campus for 25 years, and being a bottom feeder the 10 years prior, and running great coaches off the 10 years before that, pretty much ensured that there won't be any mega donors riding in to save the program. Affinity matters, and Pitt didn't cultivate it when things mattered most, as students.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

😂 Let me be a little more clear...

Pick any coach and let them work with the same budget, same NIL, etc.

I've seen Nick Saban coach several years when he didn't have a significant talent advantage in his days at Michigan State and with the Dolphins. It really wasn't very good. In 5 years at Michigan State, he averaged less than 7 wins per season. I'm not for certain, but I don't think he managed to go .500 in Miami.

Well even if you think the water at most programs will eventually find its level - and it very well may - sometimes you need to sell hope in order to galvanize donors, recruits, fans, etc.

 

[TD_6082]

Well even if you think the water at most programs will eventually find its level - and it very well may - sometimes you need to sell hope in order to galvanize donors, recruits, fans, etc.

Selling hope has mostly become a thing of the past. Not specifically Pitt, but in general across the board in today's landscape, the big donors are already doing the heavy lifting when it comes to NIL and putting the roster together. They aren't as interested as they used to be in paying big buyouts just to sell hope. Donors don't galvanize themselves to give more by stroking a big check to make their current coach go away, especially at schools that are just content to stay reasonably competitive. The trending thing is to shuffle the roster, and bleed out the contract until the buyout isn't so absurd. Much like Syracuse did with Dino & UNC is going to do with Mack. 5 to 7 win is keeping Napier around another year in Florida, at least for another year.

And as far as recruits are concerned, it's largely become transactional. Donors can influence an uptick in recruiting a lot more by funding NIL than paying a large buyout.

The water always does seem to find its level.

 

[Cap pitt]

Hey Chris, Don’t be surprised if Narduzzi is gone after this year,

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Alliance 41Duzz:

By my estimation, Narduzzi is overpaid by about $2M/year. The gift tax limitation in 2024 is $18,000. In the interest of making everyone's lives easier, he should write 111 trustworthy people a check for $18,000/each, and they should turn around and sink that money into our NIL collective. No need to retire; we all win.

But what is honestly stopping schools/coaches from doing this as a way to funnel money into the collectives? Obviously if it were as easy as I just described it, DeBoer would get a $10M/year raise next week and they'd be doing it even bigger. But why isn't it that easy?

 

[PittPharm2002]

So Pitt fires Narduzzi and either lures Nick Saban out of retirement or hires the 2025 version of Gerry Faust and it will make no substantial difference in where the program is and how much it wins over the next four years?

People are idiotic
If any coach doesn’t matter - stop overpaying for a proven mediocre coach

 

[PittPharm2002]

To those crying for NIL-
I’ll point out our football scholarships aren’t even endowed .

Let Pat funnel $2mil of his salary into NIL .

 

[TD_6082]

To those crying for NIL-
I’ll point out our football scholarships aren’t even endowed .

Let Pat funnel $2mil of his salary into NIL .

You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about college coaches making huge salaries.

 

[PittPharm2002]

You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about college coaches making huge salaries.

Don’t ask me to donate to NIL when the guy is making millions a year , as he’s the one who most benefits !

In this thread you claimed it doesn’t matter who the coach is .
So- why are our limited resources going towards him ?

 

[TD_6082]

Don’t ask me to donate to NIL when the guy is making millions a year , as he’s the one who most benefits !

In this thread you claimed it doesn’t matter who the coach is .
So- why are our limited resources going towards him ?

I think he signed his contract back in 2001. Ask whoever negotiated it.

But yeah, I agree with you. More money for difference makers on the field would be money better spent.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I think he signed his contract back in 2001. Ask whoever negotiated it.

But yeah, I agree with you. More money for difference makers on the field would be money better spent.

Who has the biggest incentive for that ?
Random fans and boosters , or the coach making millions ?

 

[TD_6082]

Who has the biggest incentive for that ?
Random fans and boosters , or the coach making millions ?

Why the hell would a coach put his own money into NIL? It's his profession. It's what he does to make money. What's his incentive to fund NIL?

How many employees actually fund their own employer's infrastructure?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

People are idiotic
If any coach doesn’t matter - stop overpaying for a proven mediocre coach

If it were me, I'd hire a D3 coach for 500K, assistants for 100K and use the savings to buy players.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Why the hell would a coach put his own money into NIL? It's his profession. It's what he does to make money. What's his incentive to fund NIL?

How many employees actually fund their own employer's infrastructure?

What’s the incentive for fans to fund NIL and the coaches salary ?
The coach has millions of reasons to care about recruiting talent .

I have zero incentive to subsidize his recruiting .
Tell me how that’s inaccurate ?

 

[Las Panteras]

If it were me, I'd hire a D3 coach for 500K, assistants for 100K and use the savings to buy players.

What you are saying is in many cases, the need to spend huge money on a coach is going the way of the horse and buggy.

i dont disagree

 

[TD_6082]

What’s the incentive for fans to fund NIL and the coaches salary ?

If they want a successful program, that's kinda what it takes to make it happen.

 

[PittPharm2002]

If they want a successful program, that's kinda what it takes to make it happen.

Nope
Pay the Coach less , since he doesn’t matter

 

[TD_6082]

Nope
Pay the Coach less , since he doesn’t matter

Coaching does matter. But he's not the end all be all. It takes talent too.

Not sure Brian Kelly can win a Natty at LSU. Yet Les Miles & Cajun Shrek were able to pull it off.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What you are saying is in many cases, the need to spend huge money on a coach is going the way of the horse and buggy.

i dont disagree

Coaching salaries are artificially inflated due to the fact that there's a $0 player expense. Soon, colleges will be able to pay players directly so places like Pitt should greatly reduce their coaching salary output. Hire TJ's staff and give them one of the highest paid player payrolls in the ACC and they'll win. Being slightly sarcastic but you know what I mean.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Coaching does matter. But he's not the end all be all. It takes talent too.

Not sure Brian Kelly can win a Natty at LSU. Yet Les Miles & Cajun Shrek were able to pull it off.

You better write big checks to nil then , because we can’t ask the actual beneficiary making $6mil a year to pitch in !

 

[TD_6082]

You better write big checks to nil then , because we can’t ask the actual beneficiary making $6mil a year to pitch in !

The multi-millionaore donors at these schools aren't smart enough to decide how they would like to allocate their money? They need help with that?

 

[Islanderpanther]

You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about college coaches making huge salaries.

Nothing surprising about people showing a bit of disdain for ceos at firms in which they have invested not earning their salaries and simultaneously reducing the value of their investment.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

If it were me, I'd hire a D3 coach for 500K, assistants for 100K and use the savings to buy players.

I'm kind of torn on this. I mean, Florida, USC, Texas, Miami, Florida State, and plenty of other programs over the past X amount of years have proven you can indeed lose even when you're bursting at the seams with talent as compared to the competition.

But I mean you also don't stand much of a chance if you're getting buried in talent disparity from week to week. Stallings was, by most accounts, a pretty decent coach. But there's only so much you can do with a certain level of talent.

If we go to that salary cap pay for play model and you're asking if I'd rather have Narduzzi with an $18 payroll for all sports or a D3 coach with a $24M payroll for all sports, give me the second one.

 

[PittPharm2002]

The multi-millionaore donors at these schools aren't smart enough to decide how they would like to allocate their money? They need help with that?

Who are these donors ?
Because I know a multimillionaire who has plenty of incentive , and cash to burn .

 

[TD_6082]

Who are these donors ?
Because I know a multimillionaire who has plenty of incentive , and cash to burn .

I'll play along. Who? What's the incentive?

 

[Atilla Cosby]

Coaching salaries are artificially inflated due to the fact that there's a $0 player expense. Soon, colleges will be able to pay players directly so places like Pitt should greatly reduce their coaching salary output. Hire TJ's staff and give them one of the highest paid player payrolls in the ACC and they'll win. Being slightly sarcastic but you know what I mean.

This exactly. If the coach no longer recruits, and just coaches, depending on outside money to recruit instead of skill, personality, etc., coaching value drops heavily.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I'll play along. Who? What's the incentive?

The coach making millions a year to win games who needs the players to succeed

Hint - you lose games you lose your job and salary

 

[TD_6082]

The coach making millions a year to win games who needs the players to succeed

Hint - you lose games you lose your job and salary

That's just incredibly stupid. If a coach were to dork over his own money for NIL, that doesn't guarantee success. He could still lose his job. And supposing this dumbass coach uses his own money and it does help win more games, how is he supposed to maintain success? Keep throwing his own money into the NIL pool?

Ultimately, it's a profession. Coaches coach to make money. Only a freaking idiot would use their own money to improve their roster.

Professionally speaking, any coach that lands a contract like Narduzzi's has already succeeded.

 

[PittPharm2002]

That's just incredibly stupid. If a coach were to dork over his own money for NIL, that doesn't guarantee success. He could still lose his job. And supposing this dumbass coach uses his own money and it does help win more games, how is he supposed to maintain success? Keep throwing his own money into the NIL pool?

Ultimately, it's a profession. Coaches coach to make money. Only a freaking idiot would use their own money to improve their roster.

Professionally speaking, any coach that lands a contract like Narduzzi's has already succeeded.

Then fans and boosters should not donate to NIL either .
It’s not our profession .

 

[NCPitt]

Then fans and boosters should not donate to NIL either .
It’s not our profession .

Couldn't agree more.

 

[NCPitt]

Who are these donors ?
Because I know a multimillionaire who has plenty of incentive , and cash to burn .

I know a multimillionaire who has far higher priorities for his cash than NIL or college sports. Those items don't even make the list for consideration.

 

[NCPitt]

The coach making millions a year to win games who needs the players to succeed

Hint - you lose games you lose your job and salary

Are you aware that NCAA rules prohibit coaches from donating to NIL?

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I know a multimillionaire who has far higher priorities for his cash than NIL or college sports. Those items don't even make the list for consideration.

Buddy.... yes, Chuck E. Cheese is a multimillion-dollar corporation. But that doesn't make the guy you know who wears the mouse suit for $9.25/hour and is a fifth of White Tavern Vodka away from cirrhosis of the liver a multimillionaire. I know it's confusing.

 

[NCPitt]

Buddy.... yes, Chuck E. Cheese is a multimillion-dollar corporation. But that doesn't make the guy you know who wears the mouse suit for $9.25/hour and is a fifth of White Tavern Vodka away from cirrhosis of the liver a multimillionaire. I know it's confusing.

You're completely lost.