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Thomas Macvittie, QB

Don't mean to disrespect the kid, but he's no 4.5. Someone mentioned Cam Newton running a 4.6 at the combine, which is the first thing that came to my mind too.

He sure looks like he's going to be great though. Obviously recruiting highlights only show the good plays but he apparently didn't have many bad plays if he only threw 1 pick all season. And if that really was his only starting season at QB, and if it really was against the 3rd best high school schedule in America, then Pitt may have finally gotten an elite QB for the first time since....

Can someone post the highlights of whatever WPIAL QB Pitt lost out on recently to Notre Dame? I'm curious how they compare.
 
rpost3 said:
Don't mean to disrespect the kid, but he's no 4.5. Someone mentioned Cam Newton running a 4.6 at the combine, which is the first thing that came to my mind too.

He sure looks like he's going to be great though. Obviously recruiting highlights only show the good plays but he apparently didn't have many bad plays if he only threw 1 pick all season. And if that really was his only starting season at QB, and if it really was against the 3rd best high school schedule in America, then Pitt may have finally gotten an elite QB for the first time since....

Can someone post the highlights of whatever WPIAL QB Pitt lost out on recently to Notre Dame? I'm curious how they compare.
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-Interesting article about TMAC. Talks about Big Ben, switching from WR to QB, and wearing a knee brace this year while playing QB.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/9475022-74/macvittie-pitt-thomas
 
Jeffburgh said:
Definitely.
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-He played this past season with an injured leg. All highlighted in the trib article, and he was still outrunning players in the video. He tore a ligament in his left leg which sidelined him and still put up boss stats.
 
His 40 time is really irrelevant to his potential as a QB. I think we can all agree that he is fast for a 6'5" guy. But what's more important is his quickness and elusiveness, and he is excellent at both.

Highlight film is always limited, because every QB completes every pass in their highlight reel; no one ever overthrows anyone, fumbles, gets picked, etc. But with McVittee, his film shows a lot because of the level of competition he faced. A lot of QB film shows a guy sitting comfortably in the pocket finding his receiver, and making a backyard type of throw for a completion. But McV played in one of the most competitive leagues in the country, and he faced one good DL after another. On two-thirds of the plays in his film, he is under immediate pressure. He showed his quick release on throws, and repeatedly, he would evade 2-3 guys, when he looked like he was going down, then scrambled and found a receiver on the run.

A lot of highly touted QBs don't make it in college because they can't adjust to the pressure or the speed of the college game. McV isn't going to have that problem, since he is used to both, and has shown he can excel in that environment.

The guy had 22 TDs and 1 INT. This might not mean much if he hadn't faced pressure, but since we know he did, they stats are impressive.

This kid is one of the best looking prospects I've seen in a long time. I wouldn't trade him for any other incoming recruit in the country, because we desperately need a QB with his skill level, and I think he will be our guy. And he is coming at the right time.
 
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raleighpanther said:
His 40 time is really irrelevant to his potential as a QB. I think we can all agree that he is fast for a 6'5" guy. But what's more important is his quickness and elusiveness, and he is excellent at both.

Highlight film is always limited, because every QB completes every pass in their highlight reel; no one ever overthrows anyone, fumbles, gets picked, etc. But with McVittee, his film shows a lot because of the level of competition he faced. A lot of QB film shows a guy sitting comfortably in the pocket finding his receiver, and making a backyard type of throw for a completion. But McV played in one of the most competitive leagues in the country, and he faced one good DL after another. On two-thirds of the plays in his film, he is under immediate pressure. He showed his quick release on throws, and repeatedly, he would evade 2-3 guys, when he looked like he was going down, then scrambled and found a receiver on the run.

A lot of highly touted QBs don't make it in college because they can't adjust to the pressure or the speed of the college game. McV isn't going to have that problem, since he is used to both, and has shown he can excel in that environment.

The guy had 22 TDs and 1 INT. This might not mean much if he hadn't faced pressure, but since we know he did, they stats are impressive.

This kid is one of the best looking prospects I've seen in a long time. I wouldn't trade him for any other incoming recruit in the country, because we desperately need a QB with his skill level, and I think he will be our guy. And he is coming at the right time.
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-4.5 shuttle time at 6'5, which is way more impressive than the 40 time. That is why he constantly escapes pressure.
 
High school shuttle and 40 yard dashes mean nothing. Hand timed and reported usually by the coaches then the kid is known an a 4.4 guy. Even at Camps I believe they are usually hand timed. Very unofficial. Everyone that is decent claims 4.5 or better. Than every year at the combine there aren't many that actually run faster than 4.5.

I think a10.7 100 meter dash football player is equivalent to a 4.45 40 yard dash. I don't think we have more than 3 players on the whole team that could do that legit. Maybe Ffrench and Weah only.
 
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rockypanther said:
High school shuttle and 40 yard dashes mean nothing. Hand timed and reported usually by the coaches then the kid is known an a 4.4 guy. Even at Camps I believe they are usually hand timed. Very unofficial. Everyone that is decent claims 4.5 or better. Than every year at the combine there aren't many that actually run faster than 4.5.

I think a10.7 100 meter dash football player is equivalent to a 4.45 40 yard dash. I don't think we have more than 3 players on the whole team that could do that legit. Maybe Ffrench and Weah only.
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-High School Track Times do not count? Why even race in high school.
 
Track times count much more if they are FAT and not hand timed. I didn't say that track times don't count.

I said 40 yard dashes as shuttle drills are very inaccurate.

How many guys on our team ran 10.7 or better in high school or could do that now? Probably Weah, Hill, Ffrench, Whithead. Who else? I doubt Macvittie runs a legit 4.5. That would make him now one of our top 5-7 quickest players on the whole team.

It would also make him quicker than Tyler Boyd after Boyd trained at Pitt for 3 seasons and had specialized technique training on how to run a 40 yard dash.
 
steel_curtain said:
-High School Track Times do not count? Why even race in high school.
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That isn't what he said. He never said anything at all about high school track times. However, if a guy does run a legit 4.5 40 then he ought to be running track in high school, because he would win most of his races.

The number of high school football players who claim to run a 4.5 40 is significantly greater than the number of high school football players who actually CAN run a 4.5 40.
 
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Thx. Steel only picks what he wants and distorts anything a poster said that doesn't fit his crazy opinions.

I ran track in college and coached and in an inner city school with very fast sprinters. From Macvitties highlights he would have been about the 6th at the very best 100 meter runner in any of the 6 seasons I coached. We had four guys under 11.0 almost every year. Only one player I saw ran a 4.5 forth yard dash when they were all hand timed on very very fast track surfaces.

Joe the Panther Fan said:
That isn't what he said. He never said anything at all about high school track times. However, if a guy does run a legit 4.5 40 then he ought to be running track in high school, because he would win most of his races.

The number of high school football players who claim to run a 4.5 40 is significantly greater than the number of high school football players who actually CAN run a 4.5 40.
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Track times count much more if they are FAT and not hand timed. I didn't say that track times don't count.

I said 40 yard dashes as shuttle drills are very inaccurate.

How many guys on our team ran 10.7 or better in high school or could do that now? Probably Weah, Hill, Ffrench, Whithead. Who else? I doubt Macvittie runs a legit 4.5. That would make him now one of our top 5-7 quickest players on the whole team.

It would also make him quicker than Tyler Boyd after Boyd trained at Pitt for 3 seasons and had specialized technique training on how to run a 40 yard dash.
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-There is a difference between a 40 and 100M. But George Hill ran a 10.71 100M. Quadree Henderson ran a 10.8.


-The Track Calculator estimates a 10.95 100M is equivalent to a 4.5 40 time. A 10.64 is 4.4 Speed Flat estimated. So using the block at a 10.7 is a high measure to beat, since most do not have sub 4.4 Speed.
 
steel_curtain said:
The Track Calculator estimates a 10.95 100M is equivalent to a 4.5 40 time.
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The number of boys (AAA and AA) who ran faster than a 10.95 100M at the recently concluded WPIAL track championships was one.

They ran the preliminaries for the 100M dash at the PIAA championships earlier today. The number of boys who ran a sub-10.95 100M was two, one in AAA and one in AA. Now that's just the preliminaries, you would imagine that the finals will be a faster race and more kids will break that time. But a 10.95 100M is really fast for a high school kid. Very, very few high school kids actually run that fast when they are being correctly timed.
 
-For the record, Macvitties 40 time was recorded both at Ohio State's summer camp in 2015 and then a second time at the US Army Combine January 3rd. He also has a 31 inch vertical and is registered in the NCSA. So debate it, argue it, counter it, do what you would like to do with it. The information is public, not private, and no I did not make it up. And yes, having a torn ligament in a knee obvious would make him slower than at normal speed. I also found it interesting he used to drive with his father 400 miles to St. Louis every weekend to work with a QB professional in the winter and summer. I can easily see why the kid improved so much. I can see why LSU pulled out the red carpet for him. And I can see from the video the kid understands football and is a playmaker. I like the whole story. And I like the fact he chose Pitt because of the word loyalty. Winner in my book.
 
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-For the record, Macvitties 40 time was recorded both at Ohio State's summer camp in 2015 and then a second time at the US Army Combine January 3rd. He also has a 31 inch vertical and is registered in the NCSA. So debate it, argue it, counter it, do what you would like to do with it. The information is public, not private, and no I did not make it up. And yes, having a torn ligament in a knee obvious would make him slower than at normal speed. I also found it interesting he used to drive with his father 400 miles to St. Louis every weekend to work with a QB professional in the winter and summer. I can easily see why the kid improved so much. I can see why LSU pulled out the red carpet for him. And I can see from the video the kid understands football and is a playmaker. I like the whole story. And I like the fact he chose Pitt because of the word loyalty. Winner in my book.
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-Another perspective from a Coach and Scout for 25 years in Ohio that thinks TMAC is the best QB in the entire 2016 class. These are his words, not mine. Enjoy.

http://www.msrohio.com/thomas-macvittie-maybe-the-best-in-2016-class/
 
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-Another perspective from a Coach and Scout for 25 years in Ohio that thinks TMAC is the best QB in the entire 2016 class. These are his words, not mine. Enjoy.

http://www.msrohio.com/thomas-macvittie-maybe-the-best-in-2016-class/
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-This scout from ohio loves Pitt's players. Here is what he thinks on George Hill

http://www.msrohio.com/george-hill-msr-a-top-player/

-Ruben Flowers



"Ruben Flowers (Lima Senior) – Pitt. The steal of recruiting. Tremendous athleticism. Excellent vertical. Excellent ball catcher. Needs to keep getting faster and stronger. Listed 6’4-6’5. needs to stay focused and is getting better at that. I like him, but sometimes he makes me tired. But he is a gifted wide receiver(6’4). Could be special"

http://www.msrohio.com/3015-2/

-Yea, a 6'4 WR with 4.5 Speed and 35 inch vertical, with 40 TD's his last 2 seasons.

-Yea scout, I like these players a lot too, thanks for the hype.
 
How many of our current players had a 4.5 on their Rivals page as recruits? How many would be officially timed at the NFL combine right now as a 4.5?

I am going to go out and run some 4.5 dirty yard dashes as an easy workout right now up Cardiac Hill. I will check back to see Steels response.
 
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rockypanther said:
How many of our current players had a 4.5 on their Rivals page as recruits? How many would be officially timed at the NFL combine right now as a 4.5?

I am going to go out and run some 4.5 dirty yard dashes as an easy workout right now up Cardiac Hill. I will check back to see Steels response.
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-US Army National Combine where Macvittie was timed in the 40. Again, no use in arguing this because you want it timed and recorded at some professional Olympic level or whatever you are fishing for here. He was timed and clocked at a major event, not running along in some random street.

http://footballuniversity.org/other-events/u-s-army-national-combine/

http://www.usarmyallamericanbowl.com/national-combine/testing-information/
 
I can't read the times on my iPhone. That's an incredible time for a high schools QB. I don't think any starting NFL QB except Mariota could run a 4.5 now. Let's why the time for Mac seems so unrealistic.

If I am not mistaken Voytik ran a so called time of 4.6 in high school. Didn't look near that at Pitt.
 
Also good to know our incoming QB is .1 second faster in a 40 than our best WR in 15 years just drafted just tested out.
 
rockypanther said:
Sorry. Can't do sarcasm color on my phone.
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-Why are you hating on the kid? If you don't want to use the army combine numbers, you might as well just say every 40 time ever recorded outside of Olympic level competition is irrelevant. Its pointed out in 3 different articles I posted the kid played with a knee brace last year and had a torn ligament in his knee. And the other fact remains he was also clocked at a 4.5 40 at a completely different camp at a completely different location with completely different conditions.. Call it a 4.6 for all I care, that's blazing fast for a 6'5 Qb.
 
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rockypanther said:
I am hating on you not him. Your exaggerations are just flat out annoying.
No QB ran under 4.57 at the NFL combine.
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-Well, good QB's come out of no where. The other joker in this thread said he can't play QB with limited QB experience. Big Ben laughs at that notion as I proved it. 1 high school season playing QB, and played for the Superbowl 4 years later.
 

-You simply refuse to believe it. I posted links to back up what I said. You choose not to believe the links and the US Army 40 times. That is your choice. There is a difference between making something up out of thin air, and supporting a claim. I supported the claim. Here is TMAC's NCSA profile.

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/oh/cincinnati/moeller-high-school/thomas-macvittie



"I pride myself on having an incredible work ethic, mastering the fundamentals of the QB position, being a great teammate and constantly improving my leadership skills

I am extremely proud of my 4.5 40 that I first achieved at Ohio State summer camp last year and then most recently at the US Army Combine on January 3rd. My speed is something I've always prided myself on as a dual threat QB and I've worked on it very hard throughout my years.

I am also very proud of how hard I have worked at mastering the fundamentals of the QB position. I have studied all the great QB's (Manning, Brady, etc). In 9th grade, I partnered with a expert QB coach in St Louis and me and my father drive 400 miles every other weekend in the winter/summer to train hard on the fundamentals.. I feel I have vastly improved over the past two years and now believe I can make all the throws.

I love playing the game of football and look forward to a great rest of my career at Moeller and finding the perfect match for me in College"
 
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So are you saying he will be day 1 starter over Peterman?
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-No. I am saying he is a potential massive talent and should get reps this year as a true freshmen. And I also like the fact we have a massive oline, a great offensive coordinator, and this kid could be a dual threat QB in key play situations this season in run formation or play action run formations. I dont think anyone knows how good this kid possibly is. But I like facts. And playing a hard schedule, putting up huge numbers against that schedule, and scouts in ohio saying he is big time along with LSU rolling out the red carpet for him is all I need to know we got a potential massive steal.
 
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rockypanther said:
I can't read the times on my iPhone. That's an incredible time for a high schools QB. I don't think any starting NFL QB except Mariota could run a 4.5 now. Let's why the time for Mac seems so unrealistic.

If I am not mistaken Voytik ran a so called time of 4.6 in high school. Didn't look near that at Pitt.
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I never saw anyone claim Voytik ran a 4.6 in HS. TMac has a much higher ceiling because he is 5 inches taller, is faster, has a bigger frame, stronger arm, and is new to the position.
 
Piranha said:
I never saw anyone claim Voytik ran a 4.6 in HS. TMac has a much higher ceiling because he is 5 inches taller, is faster, has a bigger frame, stronger arm, and is new to the position.
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-Voytik ran a 4.75 and 4.86 in the US Army Combine, the same exact event TMAC participated in. It also says it on Voytik's NCSA recruiting profile.
 
steel_curtain said:
-Voytik ran a 4.75 and 4.86 in the US Army Combine, the same exact event TMAC participated in. It also says it on Voytik's NCSA recruiting profile.
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-And if anyone read the link I shared from the Ohio Football Scout, it blatantly says TMAC was being recruited as a receiver because of his speed and because he has a 31 inch vertical. He played both QB and WR as a junior in high school.
 
rockypanther said:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125632&draftyear=2017&genpos=QB

Here it says Voytiks 2017 NFL combine time is up to the high 4.7's

So ESPN says 4.59 and he got .2 seconds slower to a high 4.75 after three years in a college sports and conditioning program.

Because of those kind of huge differences, I don't value high school 40 yard dash times.
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-Like I said, it has to be a typing error as no camp has that 40 time on record that I know of.
 
steel_curtain said:
-Well, good QB's come out of no where. The other joker in this thread said he can't play QB with limited QB experience. Big Ben laughs at that notion as I proved it. 1 high school season playing QB, and played for the Superbowl 4 years later.
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You proved it? Everyone knows Roethlisberger's story. You left out that little part about Ben redshirtiing his freshman season for a MAC program-just as MacVittie will redshirt at Pitt. One year of QB in HS to Power 5 football is kind of a big jump, no?

You constantly regurgitate measurables-40 times, shuttle times, bench press, etc-I can't recall a post of yours that discusses the mental aspect of football, which is huge, especially at QB. Jordan Whitehead didn't step in and become an all-ACC level player because of his 40 and shuttle times. Lots of guys can match those. It's because he came in with superior instincts and picked up what he was being taught right away. Instincts and football smarts.

Who said MacVittie can't play QB? I've never read any post that said that. Why would anybody say that, he IS a QB. He is Pitt's QB of the future. He just won't see the field as a true freshman. If he does, it's because we've had a depth chart catastrophe.

As for this debate as to his actual 40 time, isn't it enough for both sides to acknowldege that he moves well and has good speed for a 6'5 QB? I mean, who gives a flying F if it's a true 4.5 or more like a 4.75? It appears that he is fast enough to do his job as a pro set QB effectively. As for this notion that we will be a "running" QB, that's totally wrong. Not gonna happen. There will be a few occasional designed QB runs, like delay QB draws out of the shotgun, as there are in any pro style offense, but I have no doubt that most of MacVitties rushing yardage will come on pass plays where he escapes pressure or he sees green amd decides to tuck it.
 
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