#Tomlining

[Phillypanther2]

Maybe Pittsburgh is more racist than I thought. Many people have called for HCPN to be fired - prejudiced against Italians.
Many people have called for Penguins coach Mike Sullivan to be fired - prejudiced against the Irish.
People on the lair are always ripping on James Franklin - obvious racism.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

1. The act of losing or nearly losing a game that is virtually impossible to, due to the other team’s significant inferiority. 2. Playing down to the level of a significantly inferior opponent. 3.Inadequately preparing for an inferior opponent.

He is without a doubt EITHER the worst great coach in football history or the greatest awful coach in football history. He does one or two of these every year.

Regardless of what he is, he will be a Hall of Famer.

 

[TD#33]

Who’s they?

You gave examples of two coaches in your post. THEY

 

[Phillypanther2]

You gave examples of two coaches in your post. THEY

Mike Sullivan has proven he’s incompetent??

 

[Fk_Pitt]

This “Tomlin Special” BS has been debunked a hundred times over. He has the third highest winning percentage against teams below .500 among all coaches in the NFL over the last decade. There are valid criticisms of his coaching, but he’s not an idiot or a bad coach, as some morons like to say.

Wow. I had never heard that. If true, that’s pretty. Impressive.

 

[TD#33]

Mike Sullivan has proven he’s incompetent??

Don’t follow the Pens much anymore but I assume people want him gone because of their recent lack of playoff success?

Steelers haven’t done much recently either and going in a different direction wouldn’t be that bad imo. BUT a lot of the opposition to Tomlin came before he coached a game and most of it was racial. And not giving him credit for his immediate success, like you have seen in this thread.

 

[Pantherman43]

150-81-2. Super Bowl winner. I would tend to think he is just a great coach and occasionally loses a rough one.

Super Bowl team handed to him on a silver platter. Could easily have lost the one he won.

Could not get past the pats and have gotten worse with each passing year.

Haven't won a playoff game in how many years??????

You see what "his team" does today when #7 does not play. When #7 hangs it up today will be the norm.

He has no accountability and knows it.

IMHO he's the opposite of Noll and Cowher. You think AB would have acted like he did with them two????????

I think he's closer to be average than a HOF coach. Possibly one of the worst Super Bowl winning head coaches.

The day he's gone is the day i'll get behind the black and gold again.

 

[TD#33]

But replacing the coach of a team that is basically above average can backfire. Pitt fans should know this

 

[TD#33]

The Steelers Super Bowl under Cowher easily could have gone the other way as well. Discounting obvious bad calls against Seattle, the Colts game was saved by a lucky tackle by Big Ben on what should have been a game winning fumble return touchdown. Before that taking out Carson Palmer with a low hit.

 

[TheChair]

Super Bowl team handed to him on a silver platter. Could easily have lost the one he won.

Could not get past the pats and have gotten worse with each passing year.

Haven't won a playoff game in how many years??????

You see what "his team" does today when #7 does not play. When #7 hangs it up today will be the norm.

He has no accountability and knows it.

IMHO he's the opposite of Noll and Cowher. You think AB would have acted like he did with them two????????

I think he's closer to be average than a HOF coach. Possibly one of the worst Super Bowl winning head coaches.

The day he's gone is the day i'll get behind the black and gold again.

There is no such thing as a Super Bowl team handed to you on a silver platter when you take over an 8-8 team where the HC is openly battling with the young QB.

He has not won a playoff game in some time but he has dealt with a lot of key injuries. He still has managed to win very consistently.

I think Noll and Cowher would have had the same issues with AB that he did. Things are different now and in hindsight it looks like Tomlin was a miracle worker to keep AB in line as long as he did. AB had to bottom out before getting better (which it appears that he is doing).

I am not sure where you get the line about accountability. Everything about the guy speaks to accountability.

He will be in the Hall of Fame. It is very clear. He has a better resume than Bill Cowher, who is already there. Not sure why that is hard to see.

Guys like Gary Kubiak, Doug Peterson, Bruce Arians, Barry Switzer and a series of other guys that were not nearly the coach that Tomlin is or have nearly the resume that he has have won Super Bowls. The Hall of Fame deal includes the Super Bowl but also that he has been really, really good for a very long time.

 

[JokePa]

I guess we will see "how great" he is next year when he doesn't have his Hall of Fame QB and all of the other very talented players he has had during is 150-81-2 Super Bowl winning run.

He literally has never had a losing season

 

[ChazzMo]

Ask yourself this question: pretend the Steelers don’t have a coach and are looking for one. Available on the market is a guy who has coached 233 games in the NFL as a Head Coach. His record is 150 wins, 81 losses and 2 ties. Would you be happy if the Steelers hired such a guy?

 

[Pantherman43]

There is no such thing as a Super Bowl team handed to you on a silver platter when you take over an 8-8 team where the HC is openly battling with the young QB.

He inherited a super bowl winner with a franchise QB. They may have been 8-8 the year before he took over but he was given a winner.

Don't act like that team was 3-13 and Tomlin brought them back from the grave.

All he had to do was stand there and smile. As Cowhers players moved on the team got worse and worse.

I would like to see him go to a loser and see how good he is.

 

[Ski11585]

I’m not bothering to read three pages of stupidity. Just pointing out that every single coach loses to teams they shouldn’t. To act like this is a unique Tomlin thing is moronic.

 

[TheChair]

He inherited a super bowl winner with a franchise QB. They may have been 8-8 the year before he took over but he was given a winner.

Don't act like that team was 3-13 and Tomlin brought them back from the grave.

All he had to do was stand there and smile. As Cowhers players moved on the team got worse and worse.

I would like to see him go to a loser and see how good he is.

His record in his first 5 seasons was 55-25. His record in his last 5 full seasons is 53-26-1. Not much decline without Cowher's players ...

 

[Fk_Pitt]

His record in his first 5 seasons was 55-25. His record in his last 5 full seasons is 53-26-1. Not much decline without Cowher's players ...

The cowher players thing is lazy. Guess what people, Cowher won with Noll’s players. He inherited a strong team with Hall of Famers. You still have to Coach and I think Tomlin is a good one. I honestly do wish he had strong coordinators though.

 

[TheChair]

The cowher players thing is lazy. Guess what people, Cowher won with Noll’s players. He inherited a strong team with Hall of Famers. You still have to Coach and I think Tomlin is a good one. I honestly do wish he had strong coordinators though.

With the coordinators, I am not big on the DC. I think Canada needs a legit look over another season or so. They need to address the OL in the draft and free agency once they get the AB and Ben contracts off their books. Obviously QB as well, but I think they may be able to get a reclamation guy at a good price (think Darnold).

 

[PatMac59]

The cowher players thing is lazy. Guess what people, Cowher won with Noll’s players. He inherited a strong team with Hall of Famers. You still have to Coach and I think Tomlin is a good one. I honestly do wish he had strong coordinators though.

This is the right take. Butler can barely formulate a sentence, let alone make any adjustments to the defensive scheme.

 

[bobfree]

I don’t blame Tomlin so much for these clunker games against bad teams. Sometimes these things happen and they always seem to win enough of the others during the regular season.

What I do blame him for is having a HOF QB and one of the best rosters in the league for the past decade and doing basically nothing with them come playoff time. For the Steelers to have only won a couple playoff games over all these years isn’t acceptable considering the talent they’ve had.

they probably have the 4th best roster in the afc north

 

[bobfree]

The one criticism I do get behind is his hires on the coaching staff.

they have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Their hires are cheap and lazy.

another take I can get behind is Art Rooney is no Dan Rooney

 

[TheChair]

The one criticism I do get behind is his hires on the coaching staff.

they have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Their hires are cheap and lazy.

another take I can get behind is Art Rooney is no Dan Rooney

No one is Dan Rooney though, but fair point.

 

[Parkview57]

Generally, you folks that say Tomlin is not a good coach are stupid, you have no idea how hard it is to win chances are because you never competed at a high level let alone the highest level in sports. I am uneducated but if i take 100 or so credits I can become educated, but ya'all are plain old ignorant, forever.

 

[gary2]

I believe they were prepared.

They just aren't talented enough when they are forced to play one of the worst backup QBs in the NFL

Baltimore beat this same Detroit team with a 66 yard walk-off FG.

If Johnson doesn't fumble. The Steelers do the same.

There wasn't a single coaching move in that game by Tomlin that anyone could conceivably disagree with. Canada's play calling? sure. It was mind-boggling at times.

But the Steelers didn't tie because of "lack of preparation".

I would have accepted the last holding penalty.

Playing for a winningFG in overtime, every yard counts.

A risky strategy but necessary in this instance. - Rudolph, depleted receiving corps and weather.

 

[UPitt '89]

I would have accepted the last holding penalty.

Playing for a winningFG in overtime, every yard counts.

A risky strategy but necessary in this instance. - Rudolph, depleted receiving corps and weather.

Another down means more time off the clock, or a potential defensive breakdown, or defensive penalty.

In that situation, you need to get the ball back ASAP. Declining was the right move.

 

[gary2]

Another down means more time off the clock, or a potential defensive breakdown, or defensive penalty.

In that situation, you need to get the ball back ASAP. Declining was the right move.

More time off the clock? You are kidding, right?

yeah - You give up 35 yard gain to a team that has shown no inkling to throw the ball.

Yes a. 15 yard penalty giving a first down was a possibity. It was worth the risk.

Instead, we get called for holding on the return and start deep in our own end.

How did that right move turn out?

 

[UPitt '89]

More time off the clock?

yeah - You give up 35 to A team that has shown no inkling to throw the ball.

Yes a. 15 yard penalty giving a first down was a possibity. It was worth the risk.

Instead, we get called for holding on the return and start deep in our own end.

How did that right move turn out?

Whether a move was the right move or not has nothing to do with how it "turned out".

You can make the right move, and have it still not work out. You can make the wrong move, and come up smelling like a rose.

The result doesn't define whether it was the correct decision... the expected percentage of success defines whether it was the right move.

 

[gary2]

Whether a move was the right move or not has nothing to do with how it "turned out".

You can make the right move, and have it still not work out. You can make the wrong move, and come up smelling like a rose.

The result doesn't define whether it was the correct decision... the expected percentage of success defines whether it was the right move.

And what was the expected percentage of success on accepting the penalty versus declining the penalty? Taking into consideration the items I pointed out specific to today?

 

[UPitt '89]

And what was the expected percentage of success on accepting the penalty versus declining the penalty? Taking into consideration the items I pointed out specific to today?

I would say much higher than the alternative. 10 yards gained, but either 40 seconds or a timeout lost.

 

[gary2]

He inherited a super bowl winner with a franchise QB. They may have been 8-8 the year before he took over but he was given a winner.

Don't act like that team was 3-13 and Tomlin brought them back from the grave.

All he had to do was stand there and smile. As Cowhers players moved on the team got worse and worse.

I would like to see him go to a loser and see how good he is.

What would one say Tomlin’s strongest attributes are?

Xs and Os? Motivation? Organization? Discipline?

Something else?

 

[PA_Panther]

Since Tomlin has been hired in 2006, there have been 121 new head coaches in the NFL. In those fourteen years, I would like you guys to guess; out of all them coaches, the amount of coaches hired between that season to now to appear in two superbowls and win one.

 

[UPitt '89]

What would one say Tomlin’s strongest attributes are?

Xs and Os? Motivation? Organization? Discipline?

Something else?

Motivation and organization.

 

[TheChair]

Since Tomlin has been hired in 2006, there have been 121 new head coaches in the NFL. In those fourteen years, I would like you guys to guess; out of all them coaches, the amount of coaches hired between that season to now to appear in two superbowls and win one.

This is a great question, it is a little bit of a trick question dependent upon meaning. But, the only two guys in that period besides Tomlin to be hired to a new job, get to two Super Bowls and win at least one are Pete Carroll (Seattle) and Andy Reid (KC). Those guys obviously had jobs prior though; Tomlin is the only one with no prior experience as an HC upon hire to do such a thing.

 

[gary2]

Motivation and organization.

Got it - Thanks

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Whether a move was the right move or not has nothing to do with how it "turned out".

You can make the right move, and have it still not work out. You can make the wrong move, and come up smelling like a rose.

The result doesn't define whether it was the correct decision... the expected percentage of success defines whether it was the right move.

As I said last night, it boggles my mind that people simply cannot wrap their head around the concept that sometimes you can make the right decision and it doesn't work and other times you can make the wrong decision but it works out anyway.

 

[Dewey Eye]

What did Pittsburgh do the year before he was hired?

They had a QB recovering from a motorcycle crash and appendicitis ?

I'm not gonna slam MT, but let's not pretend he inherited some depleted roster amd guided it to greatness with his prodigious acumen. That team was stacked. Ben almost died in that crash and then had appendicitis in week 1 . That's why that team was 6-10

 

[lilspainishflea]

You can’t possibly believe he’s one of the worst BACKUP quarterbacks in the league can you? Go over the rosters and you will see that is ridiculous. When last seen before this rain soaked game the guy was throwing for 315 and 2 TD’s against a Browns team that needed to win to make the playoffs.

Agree that he is not the long term answer as a starter, but he is fine as a backup. The oddsmakers made the difference between him and Roethlisberger as 2 points.

Yeah I dislike Mason a lot but he's certainly an ok backup. I think he's in the top 1/3 of backups but I'm not going to argue with anyone about whether he's better than Case Keenum or Taysom Hill.

 

[lilspainishflea]

The back up QB was fine. He threw for 230 yards with probably the worst WR group in the league. Sure he missed some throws, but there were also drops and combat catches that maybe guys like Claypool or Juju make. Then he’s closer to 300 yards like the last game he played. The fact is that earlier in the year, Washington and McCloud couldn’t see the field and even dress, but now they’re the #2 and #3 receiver on the team. Then Rudolph leads them to potential game winning drives and his receivers fumble the game away. All of this in the rain. He wasn’t the reason they lost. And neither was Tomlin. There were plenty of other reasons.

He threw it 50 times lmao. Stop citing the volume stats. It was 4.6 yards per attempt against a team that Jimmy G and rookie Justin Fields managed 12 yards per attempt on.

And the Steelers receivers yesterday were no worse than the Dolphins and Jets, who have both won games with their bum receivers. There's no praise for throwing it for the same yards per attempt as a James Robinson rush. Come on.

 

[Pitt79]

150-81-2. Super Bowl winner. I would tend to think he is just a great coach and occasionally loses a rough one.

I would seriously believe he's at 20-30 games worse without Ben, how many times have they won some of the games you describe because Ben leads a comeback drive in the last 2 minutes to barely win, like last week vs Chicago for example.

 

[pittguy81]

Mike Sullivan has proven he’s incompetent??

Yep....see him benching Flower for a guy who couldn't find his a$$ with both hands long term.....

 

[gary2]

Motivation and organization.

This sounds like neither of those

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