Last two games were 19&13 and 20&13 played 38 minutes in game today. Was he better or worse than the two we have now
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Unfortunately he looks like Wilt Chamberlain this year compared to our 5's.
Look I rarely defend Dixon these days on anything but who could have predicted what Uchebo is doing now? The guy could hardly move down the court. Plus I don't think 1 person on here cared in the slightest once he left. Obviously if he could have helped us this season playing like he is now of course I wish he was still here. But honestly Uchebo looked like a lost cause last year.
Now as for bringing in these 2 "centers", that's another story because it's obvious that they aren't meant to be playing in the ACC.
It appears that we either gave up on him too early and/or he's made some significant progress with his knee.
It should be noted that many of Joe's issues were with pain, lateral movement, and striding going down the court. With this, he couldn't play any defense last year. And Charlotte is a bad team and one of the very worst defensive teams in all of College Basketball (300+ per Pomeroy).
Still, it looks like he could have been helping us somehow.
Does matter---just another on a long list of misses by JD when it comes to judging talent and deciding who to pick and who to cut loose
True, I remember you demanding more time for him last year.
Or, you called him a waste of a ship n
One of those two things.
What other player have we not retained who went on to have this kind of success elsewhere? If it's a long list, you should have no problem thinking of at least a few players we let go that we should have kept.
Nonsense. If we had kept Isaiah Epps, JJ Moore (especially over Lamar), Durand Johnson, Trey Zeigler, and Malcolm Gilbert we would have a couple Final Fours the past few years.
Uchebo's numbers in CUSA are significantly more impressive than Maia's in the Ivy League. There is no doubt at all that Uchebo is better than Maia and ANO. I dont care how bad Charlotte is, CUSA is a respectable mid-major league and Uchebo is dominating it.
Well, it's rare Maia scores very much (more than say 4 points) and ANO can't stay on the court for a full minute without committing at least 2 fouls. So I'd say Uchebo wouldn't just be better right now, he'd be a star center on a great team here. Hard to blame Pitt though, the guy could barely walk last year.
Where were all the Uchebo backers last spring. Once again it's easy being a critic when looking in hindsight. The guy couldn't run down the court without those watching cringe. Maybe Pitts medicial staff felt that continuing to play on those wheels would cause permanent damage. Pitt made the right decision here ,but at least the negative nellies can bitch about something new.
I wish some of you perpetual defenders could just give it up. It was a mistake letting him go, but it is what it is. He's averaging 33 MPG, 17 PPG, 14 RPG, 1 BPG and 1SPG over the last 10. Have Maia or ANO been that good defensively to where that is even a pertinent question?
I'm fine with the perspective some have that Jamie knows more than the fans when it comes to bringing in "questionable" projects like Joe appeared to be his first two years at Pitt. If that's your view and you don't think Pitt should be criticized in such instances, I can respect that, but it's when some people try to have it both ways that you can really look foolish. If you bring someone in and it doesn't work out here for whatever reason and then you let them go and they are phenomenal, then that's on Pitt. If you're being objective, it was a mistake to cut Joe loose. It's not something that has happened often, if ever at Pitt in recent times, where someone that has left turned out this good, but it happened here. Ochebo would unquestionably help this Pitt team a ton. The only reason that I post on this topic is because I live in Charlotte and his recent stats are staggering. Clearly, few inside the Pitt program saw this coming, and even fewer outside did.
I'm happy for him. I hope both Joe and the Pitt program prosper.
I'm fine with the perspective some have that Jamie knows more than the fans when it comes to bringing in "questionable" projects like Joe appeared to be his first two years at Pitt. If that's your view and you don't think Pitt should be criticized in such instances, I can respect that, but it's when some people try to have it both ways that you can really look foolish. If you bring someone in and it doesn't work out here for whatever reason and then you let them go and they are phenomenal, then that's on Pitt. If you're being objective, it was a mistake to cut Joe loose. It's not something that has happened often, if ever at Pitt in recent times, where someone that has left turned out this good, but it happened here. Ochebo would unquestionably help this Pitt team a ton. The only reason that I post on this topic is because I live in Charlotte and his recent stats are staggering. Clearly, few inside the Pitt program saw this coming, and even fewer outside did.
I'm happy for him. I hope both Joe and the Pitt program prosper.
It was only a mistake in the rear view mirror.....last spring, he looked like he'd never get better, physically. Needing help at the 5, we offered him a medical scholie. He chose to go to Charlotte for one last try. If Maia or ANO had turned out better, this wouldn't be a topic. Dixon's not perfect, but this was NOT a mistake.
The 2016 Ivy League is rated as the #16 conference while the C-USA is #21. Yale, Columbia, and Princeton are all rated higher than the best in C-USA (UAB). Maia's rebounding rate is actually higher this year than last, he's just playing far fewer minutes.
C-USA is nearly a low major conference now. And Charlotte has a 7-14 record this year. This pining for Uchebo is really, really bizarre. Good for Joe, but he's putting up these numbers for a bad team in a weak conference. Were he still at Pitt, he wouldn't be averaging a double/double.
But if he can actually stay on the floor, he might have helped us this year. Easy to root for the kid, by all accounts a good guy.
It's actually a sad history for that conference. If you go back to the 2004 season, C-USA had 6 bids and were the 8th best league. By 2006, after everyone left for the Big East, they had 2 bids and were 13th. In 2013, they had only 1 bid but were 11th. After the second raid, they are one of the dregs.
It's just sooooo fing stupid.
When uchebo stunk you defended Dixon "you take a flyer on a guy like that!!"
But he couldn't walk!! Others said.
Now the same people that agreed with taking the flyer are defending dixon dropping joe, yelling "he couldn't walk".
And the people that didn't want him then are saying "you take a flyer on size. Both sides of the argument are ridiculous.
What isn't stupid is with the benefit of hindsight saying this was a bad decision.
It was a bad decision it's a fact. Why can't some of you concede that and move on.
Btw kudos for dt Pitt who I respect as he did concede.
When uchebo stunk you defended Dixon "you take a flyer on a guy like that!!"
But he couldn't walk!! Others said.
Now the same people that agreed with taking the flyer are defending dixon dropping joe, yelling "he couldn't walk".
And the people that didn't want him then are saying "you take a flyer on size. Both sides of the argument are ridiculous.
What isn't stupid is with the benefit of hindsight saying this was a bad decision.
It was a bad decision it's a fact. Why can't some of you concede that and move on.
Btw kudos for dt Pitt who I respect as he did concede.
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Wouldn't college sports be much more interesting if teams could actually make trades!
Exactly... I am happy for Joe that he is putting up good stats and playing well.
What if next year Newkirk somehow plays really well for Indiana, then people will say the same stuff.
Move on if they were bad at Pitt, and ended up leaving.
Before people said almost anyone would be an upgrade over Randall & Joe... Now they want him back.
Just be happy he's actually doing well now & can move a little better.
Go Pitt.
So was Sterling taking a few wide-open threes last night off an inbounds pass last night rendered a bad decision because he missed the shot?
Exclamation points are for the quotes. I'm as relaxed as it gets watching people flip flop.
Uchebo used a grad transfer option to try it at a different school.
Let's not call it anything more complicated than that.
It's the same reason our three grad transfers are here.
Let's not call it anything more complicated than that.
It's the same reason our three grad transfers are here.
Any and everyone that said Dixon was right to take a flyer on him when others argued he couldn't walk that are now arguing Dixon was right to get rid of him because uchebo couldn't walk. And visa versa.
What do you think "taking a flyer" means?? We had a scholie available. Dixon gave the guy a chance....it didn't work out. Maybe he washed his knee with Lourdes Water??? There were reports from Montour that gave some hope......then he looked like he was in a lot of pain last season. Pitt gave him 2 years (?), offered a third year of school. Dixon handled it right. I can't recall a single poster who thought he would be OK this year.
It was A low risk chance.
Uchebo used a grad transfer waiver to get more run somewhere else.
Fin.
Why? Both decisions use knowledge that was only gained after the decision to judge the value of that decision.
I judge the value of a decision based on the knowledge that was known at the time rather than knowledge that knowledge that is only known after the fact.
Of course, we all know Uchebo wouldn't have been productive here anyways because Dixon isn't getting max effort out of his players.
You can be snarky all you want. I have coached basketball, have you? There is a skill to getting effort out of your players. I made the comment of "getting max effort" as a skill a coach is evaluated on. If you want to make fun that is your choice but it is a skill nonetheless.
You liked bringing uchebo in last year because of his penchant for rebounding and you can't teach size. When others suggested he "couldn't walk" you remained Viligant in your defense of Dixon. Now while defending Dixon you cite the "he can't walk" argument. Even though we had taken a "flyer" and frankly gave in too quickly. It doesn't make Dixon and idiot or you a moron for defending him. Where you lose credibility is now using the same arguement you and others so vehemently disagreed with just last season.
I know what it means. I'm not advocating we kept him. I'm making a statement about the constant perpetual and perverse defense of everything Jamie Dixon. You can't even concede he made a mistake on this one. It isn't the end of the world. They are 16-4 and in third place in the conference. Kudos to him.
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