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[KiwiJeff]

This is my last post on this issue.

Harve in a previous post I stated that both sides of the argument are silly.

Kiwi. Based on the information Dixon had at the time it wasn't a bad decision. With the benefit of hindsight and who we brought in to replace Joe it was still the wrong one. It doesn't make Jamie a bad coach and I've said as much multiple times. DT Pitt conceded it probably was the wrong decision. The fact that not one of you can even concede it shows how irrational you guys have become on the Dixon issue. With your reasoning any decision you make can never be a wrong decision as long as you can cite the information you had at the time. The chargers didn't make a wrong decision drafting Ryan Leaf because he was generally considered the 2nd best prospect in the draft? This type of arguing is incessant and can never be countered.

Hindsight cannot determine a good decision or not, unless you have a time machine.

If you book a trip 4 months out to Disney, and it rains the whole time you are there, would that mean you made a bad decision (assuming you didn't book during hurricane season)? You would say yes, I would say no. I don't think you understand what the words "mistake" or "wrong decision" means. We do not irrationally support Dixon. We just don't support silly logic. I don't know enough about the Leaf situation to dispute the decision. If there were red flags that San Diego knew of, considered, and determined it was worth the risk, then yes, it was a mistake. If there was nothing to indicate the guy was a flake, it might have been a good decision that didn't pan out. But I don't know anything about it specifically.

 

[levance2]

With your reasoning any decision you make can never be a wrong decision as long as you can cite the information you had at the time.

Yes, that is pretty much the entire point.

The chargers didn't make a wrong decision drafting Ryan Leaf because he was generally considered the 2nd best prospect in the draft? This type of arguing is incessant and can never be countered.

That is a bad result, not a bad decision. The Pirates wasted a high pick on Tony Sanchez in 2009, despite nobody else regarding him that highly. That could have ended up as a great steal for the Pirates, but it turned out everyone else was right, and the Pirates were wrong, and now he's cut. That is a bad result AND a bad decision.

 

[Scruffy the Panther]

With your reasoning any decision you make can never be a wrong decision as long as you can cite the information you had at the time.

Incorrect. If instead of Sterling taking the three pointer ANO decided to chuck one up and made it, it would still be a bad decision, because almost everyone else on the roster can shoot the three better. But there is still a chance he could make the shot. Just like good decisions can have bad outcomes, bad decisions can have good outcomes. If you make a decision that has a 90% chance of a good outcome and a 10% chance of a bad outcome, 10% of the time that decision will lead to a bad outcome.

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

Last year Maia averaged 9.9 pts and 8.7 rebounds in the Ivy League. This year he's averaging 2.5 and 4.2 in the ACC. Competition level can have a significant effect on production.

I haven't watched a Charlotte game, haven't seen how Uchebo is moving this year, but I'm somehow skeptical that in the ACC he'd be pacing anything close to the 12.2 pts, 11.1 rebounds he's averaging in C-USA (which has a lower conference RPI than the Ivy). Also, the fact that Charlotte is so bad, I just still have the sense that Uchebo would be a really marginal player at Pitt. But maybe I need to check out a Charlotte game, maybe he'd impress me.

 

[FireballZ]

Last year Maia averaged 9.9 pts and 8.7 rebounds in the Ivy League. This year he's averaging 2.5 and 4.2 in the ACC. Competition level can have a significant effect on production.

I haven't watched a Charlotte game, haven't seen how Uchebo is moving this year, but I'm somehow skeptical that in the ACC he'd be pacing anything close to the 12.2 pts, 11.1 rebounds he's averaging in C-USA (which has a lower conference RPI than the Ivy). Also, the fact that Charlotte is so bad, I just still have the sense that Uchebo would be a really marginal player at Pitt. But maybe I need to check out a Charlotte game, maybe he'd impress me.

You should definitely check him out if you can. As has already been harped upon, he averaged a double-double against the handful of power teams he played in the non-conf and has just exploded over the past 6 weeks: He's averaging 33 MPG, 17 PPG, 14 RPG, 1 BPG and 1SPG over the last 10. He's showing the skill-set he displayed in glimpses of here, but over the course of some serious game minutes.

The C-USA has some really dreadful teams at the bottom, but they typically have 3-5 teams at least in the hunt for an NCAA-bid into March. The Ivy has had Cornell and Harvard and that's pretty much it for the better part of this decade.

It is what it is, I am just actively involved in following his progress since he's now playing down the street from where I live and it was clear that he had some serious ball skills last year. His body just couldn't hold-up in ACC play. Maybe that would still ring true this season, but he looks light-years better to me this season, health-wise. We'll never know. His offensive game is WAY better than Maia.

 

[FireballZ]

2 minute mark - he's a good interview.

 

[Harve74]

You should definitely check him out if you can. As has already been harped upon, he averaged a double-double against the handful of power teams he played in the non-conf and has just exploded over the past 6 weeks: He's averaging 33 MPG, 17 PPG, 14 RPG, 1 BPG and 1SPG over the last 10. He's showing the skill-set he displayed in glimpses of here, but over the course of some serious game minutes.

The C-USA has some really dreadful teams at the bottom, but they typically have 3-5 teams at least in the hunt for an NCAA-bid into March. The Ivy has had Cornell and Harvard and that's pretty much it for the better part of this decade.

It is what it is, I am just actively involved in following his progress since he's now playing down the street from where I live and it was clear that he had some serious ball skills last year. His body just couldn't hold-up in ACC play. Maybe that would still ring true this season, but he looks light-years better to me this season, health-wise. We'll never know. His offensive game is WAY better than Maia.

Your last paragraph is very true. Uchebo has skills. He just couldn't stay on the court in our situation. He was putting up 20/20 MANY nights at the ProAm and playing 40 minutes. But, at a MUCH lower intensity level. And, only twice a week. He WAS putting up those numbers against mostly D-1 level bigs, but mostly not really ACC -level starters.

I've speculated privately that it is very possible Joe could have been much healthier and much more productive here if he was held out of the physical portion of practice almost all the time. Jamie believes in intense, physical practices and based on my experience with my bad knee, Uchebo's knee probaby needs considerable rest and light rehab between games.

Uchebo's advanced stats are not that much different than they were here. The difference can almost certainly be explained by lesser competition and lots more minutes, i.e., opportunities to score and rebound.

People who have seen Uchebo play this season have said the limp is pretty much the same as last season. It's quite possible that rather than any real improvement in the knee, Joe simply decided to play through the pain. I played, albeit only at an intramural/pick-up level for 30-35 years with a ruined knee. It only hurt on days that ended with "y." If you want to play, Pain is the tradeoff. Only Joe could know how much it hurt and how much he could play through it.

The bottom line may be that had Joe decided to stay here, the most likely outcome is his numbers here would have been much like last year. He didn't get any faster or more mobile and we run our stuff at a higher pace this year.

I wish him well. He seemed like a nice kid who had a bad break. I think the move to a lower level of competition was good for him and I don't think it hurt us.

 

[NTOP]

Your last paragraph is very true. Uchebo has skills. He just couldn't stay on the court in our situation. He was putting up 20/20 MANY nights at the ProAm and playing 40 minutes. But, at a MUCH lower intensity level. And, only twice a week. He WAS putting up those numbers against mostly D-1 level bigs, but mostly not really ACC -level starters.

I've speculated privately that it is very possible Joe could have been much healthier and much more productive here if he was held out of the physical portion of practice almost all the time. Jamie believes in intense, physical practices and based on my experience with my bad knee, Uchebo's knee probaby needs considerable rest and light rehab between games.

Uchebo's advanced stats are not that much different than they were here. The difference can almost certainly be explained by lesser competition and lots more minutes, i.e., opportunities to score and rebound.

People who have seen Uchebo play this season have said the limp is pretty much the same as last season. It's quite possible that rather than any real improvement in the knee, Joe simply decided to play through the pain. I played, albeit only at an intramural/pick-up level for 30-35 years with a ruined knee. It only hurt on days that ended with "y." If you want to play, Pain is the tradeoff. Only Joe could know how much it hurt and how much he could play through it.

The bottom line may be that had Joe decided to stay here, the most likely outcome is his numbers here would have been much like last year. He didn't get any faster or more mobile and we run our stuff at a higher pace this year.

I wish him well. He seemed like a nice kid who had a bad break. I think the move to a lower level of competition was good for him and I don't think it hurt us.

I played into my 40's on a knee bad enough to get me out of the Army. Loved the game more than I hated the pain.
I wonder how loud the screeching would have been if JD decided to keep Joe on the roster for this year, rather than replace him with Raffy or ANO??

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I played into my 40's on a knee bad enough to get me out of the Army. Loved the game more than I hated the pain.
I wonder how loud the screeching would have been if JD decided to keep Joe on the roster for this year, rather than replace him with Raffy or ANO??

Were you playing against ACC quality athletes who can sprint up and down the court all day?

 

[NTOP]

Were you playing against ACC quality athletes who can sprint up and down the court all day?

Nope....I was the only one there who had those skills. and Joe's knee is much worse than mine.