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Underwhelmed by our commits

Not one to be truly excited about.

Competing offers for the most part a bunch of nobody schools.

Only reinforces my prediction this will be Narduzzis last year.

No excitement whatsoever. The new world of CFB sucks
Justin Thompson - Baylor, Florida, UNC, South Carolina

I could go on with other players, but you are a troll.

My son attended the Youth Football Camp and Narduzzi went out of his way to take pictures and interacted with the kids during the drills. He was actively engaged and left a great impression.

Pitt’s biggest problem are its lame fans who bitch and moan, but yet don’t donate. Big-time recruiting comes down to NIL.
 
We should only take shitty players. Talk them up; let them play and inevitably accumulate the stats that accompany heavy playing time. Then let the big boys steal them - they seemingly love guys who have experience, even if they suck. We just watched them throw a couple hundred grand at some of our linebackers who were out of position worse than Bonds in the '92 NLCS.

I still haven't figured out how this will benefit us at all or how we would end up with players who don't suck, so please understand that this plan is only in phase one.
 
Not one to be truly excited about.

Competing offers for the most part a bunch of nobody schools.

Only reinforces my prediction this will be Narduzzis last year.

No excitement whatsoever. The new world of CFB sucks
Not sure what you expected. Did you read your thread on NIL and the take from Pitt fans?

It's the same level of guys they've been recruiting for years. Here's hoping the QB is a player.
 
Not sure what you expected. Did you read your thread on NIL and the take from Pitt fans?

It's the same level of guys they've been recruiting for years. Here's hoping the QB is a player.

Lair Posters: Our recruiting sucks, it has to improve!

Also Lair Posters: I'll never give to Alliance 412, I have better things to do with my money!
 
Not one to be truly excited about.

Competing offers for the most part a bunch of nobody schools.

Only reinforces my prediction this will be Narduzzis last year.

No excitement whatsoever. The new world of CFB sucks

You would think we could be recruiting at the level of UNC, NC St, VT. Like mid-P4. But we are recruiting a level below that. Low P4/High G5. I also think this could be his last year. May just want to go be a DC next year instead of all this BS.
 
My issue with recruiting is simply this. We've been consistently in the middle or lower middle of the ACC rankings for years. Our national average has been #50 and our ACC ranking has been #9. I couldn't find 10 year rankings but it's probably more of the same. Most of these years precede NIL impact, so NIL alone can't account for our rankings. NIL is only going to exacerbate this problem.

At the same time, here's the coaching salaries for the ACC:


NameTeam2023 SalaryNational RankTotal Buyout
Dabo SwinneyClemson$10,884,7752nd$64,000,000
Mike NorvellFlorida State$7,300,00015th$42,209,583
Pat NarduzziPittsburgh$5,875,81728thN/A
Jeff BrohmLouisville$5,550,00031st$31,416,667
Dave DoerenNC State$5,024,39035th$10,307,926
Mack BrownNorth Carolina$5,000,00036th$2,812,500
Dave ClawsonWake Forest$4,284,65642ndN/A
Tony ElliottVirginia$4,250,00043rd$19,475,000
Dino BabersSyracuse$4,063,13846thN/A
Brent PryVirginia Tech$4,000,00051st$12,650,000
Jeff HafleyBoston College$3,120,01255thN/A
Brent KeyGeorgia Tech$2,800,00060th

We're paying Narduzzi in the top 3 of all coaches and we're not getting top 3 (or anywhere near it) recruiting results.
 
My issue with recruiting is simply this. We've been consistently in the middle or lower middle of the ACC rankings for years. Our national average has been #50 and our ACC ranking has been #9. I couldn't find 10 year rankings but it's probably more of the same. Most of these years precede NIL impact, so NIL alone can't account for our rankings. NIL is only going to exacerbate this problem.

At the same time, here's the coaching salaries for the ACC:


NameTeam2023 SalaryNational RankTotal Buyout
Dabo SwinneyClemson$10,884,7752nd$64,000,000
Mike NorvellFlorida State$7,300,00015th$42,209,583
Pat NarduzziPittsburgh$5,875,81728thN/A
Jeff BrohmLouisville$5,550,00031st$31,416,667
Dave DoerenNC State$5,024,39035th$10,307,926
Mack BrownNorth Carolina$5,000,00036th$2,812,500
Dave ClawsonWake Forest$4,284,65642ndN/A
Tony ElliottVirginia$4,250,00043rd$19,475,000
Dino BabersSyracuse$4,063,13846thN/A
Brent PryVirginia Tech$4,000,00051st$12,650,000
Jeff HafleyBoston College$3,120,01255thN/A
Brent KeyGeorgia Tech$2,800,00060th

We're paying Narduzzi in the top 3 of all coaches and we're not getting top 3 (or anywhere near it) recruiting results.
I’m pretty sure Narduzzi gets paid for his overall performance not recruiting rankings .

One could argue he’s not top 3 in wins / losses either - but he’s certainly top 1/3 .
 
It's the same level of guys they've been recruiting for years. Here's hoping the QB is a player.
This.

When has Pitt ever had a slew of great recruits since the 80s? For the most part it’s 3 star ish type guys and an occasional high end player Nothing has changed

If your attachment or excitement about a team is based on recruiting rankings you will be annually disappointed by Pitt
 
This.

When has Pitt ever had a slew of great recruits since the 80s? For the most part it’s 3 star ish type guys and an occasional high end player Nothing has changed

If your attachment or excitement about a team is based on recruiting rankings you will be annually disappointed by Pitt

Wanny
 
My issue with recruiting is simply this. We've been consistently in the middle or lower middle of the ACC rankings for years. Our national average has been #50 and our ACC ranking has been #9. I couldn't find 10 year rankings but it's probably more of the same. Most of these years precede NIL impact, so NIL alone can't account for our rankings. NIL is only going to exacerbate this problem.

At the same time, here's the coaching salaries for the ACC:


NameTeam2023 SalaryNational RankTotal Buyout
Dabo SwinneyClemson$10,884,7752nd$64,000,000
Mike NorvellFlorida State$7,300,00015th$42,209,583
Pat NarduzziPittsburgh$5,875,81728thN/A
Jeff BrohmLouisville$5,550,00031st$31,416,667
Dave DoerenNC State$5,024,39035th$10,307,926
Mack BrownNorth Carolina$5,000,00036th$2,812,500
Dave ClawsonWake Forest$4,284,65642ndN/A
Tony ElliottVirginia$4,250,00043rd$19,475,000
Dino BabersSyracuse$4,063,13846thN/A
Brent PryVirginia Tech$4,000,00051st$12,650,000
Jeff HafleyBoston College$3,120,01255thN/A
Brent KeyGeorgia Tech$2,800,00060th

We're paying Narduzzi in the top 3 of all coaches and we're not getting top 3 (or anywhere near it) recruiting results.
Now compare winning percent over his tenure It likely compares favorably to his salary
 
Justin Thompson - Baylor, Florida, UNC, South Carolina

I could go on with other players, but you are a troll.

My son attended the Youth Football Camp and Narduzzi went out of his way to take pictures and interacted with the kids during the drills. He was actively engaged and left a great impression.

Pitt’s biggest problem are its lame fans who bitch and moan, but yet don’t donate. Big-time recruiting comes down to NIL.
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We should only take shitty players. Talk them up; let them play and inevitably accumulate the stats that accompany heavy playing time. Then let the big boys steal them - they seemingly love guys who have experience, even if they suck. We just watched them throw a couple hundred grand at some of our linebackers who were out of position worse than Bonds in the '92 NLCS.

I still haven't figured out how this will benefit us at all or how we would end up with players who don't suck, so please understand that this plan is only in phase one.
"We just watched them throw a couple hundred grand at some of our linebackers who were out of position worse than Bonds in the '92 NLCS."

One of the greatest takes in Panther-lair history!

Sir, I salute you!

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I posted this yesterday on the premium board. You gotta stop paying attention to the stars and look at the offers...

Heard good things about the FL offensive commits - Turner, Hunt and Anderson (played in Orlando but headed to NJ).

Some Florida coaches have said they're some of the best in FL and weren't as highly rated because they didn't do all the Rivals camps.

"The kids can play" was a line used.

Keep that in mind when you see some slapdick former ticket broker that works for Rivals assigning a 5.5 rating to these recruits.
 
I posted this yesterday on the premium board. You gotta stop paying attention to the stars and look at the offers...

Heard good things about the FL offensive commits - Turner, Hunt and Anderson (played in Orlando but headed to NJ).

Some Florida coaches have said they're some of the best in FL and weren't as highly rated because they didn't do all the Rivals camps.

"The kids can play" was a line used.

Keep that in mind when you see some slapdick former ticket broker that works for Rivals assigning a 5.5 rating to these recruits.

Whose committable offers are all that great? A few have some good ones. The visits are pretty telling as to which ones are actually committable. But it's still nothing like we used to recruit.

Having said that, it's difficult to care all that much anymore. We're piecing together a team from season to season, and anything could happen. It's just not worth the time investment to follow recruiting too closely these days.
 
Whose committable offers are all that great? A few have some good ones. The visits are pretty telling as to which ones are actually committable. But it's still nothing like we used to recruit.

Having said that, it's difficult to care all that much anymore. We're piecing together a team from season to season, and anything could happen. It's just not worth the time investment to follow recruiting too closely these days.
Especially in the NIL / transfer era where you can go pick up guys to fill a gap from the portal, and have to get into bidding wars with teams for unproven incoming recruits.

It's best if these guys remain underrecruited/underrated with our limited NIL funding.
 
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Not one to be truly excited about.

Competing offers for the most part a bunch of nobody schools.

Only reinforces my prediction this will be Narduzzis last year.

No excitement whatsoever. The new world of CFB sucks
i've learned years ago to never be too high or too low on high school commits, a year before they even step on a college campus. not out of any sort of maturity or respect, just how much of a guessing game all of this really is..

These kids are 16, maybe 17. wont be asked to truly produce on a field for at least 2 more years, some probably 3 (after a redshirt year).

No one knows and again, i say this both ways, good and bad. How many 4 stars with great offers have we landed that did squat..
 
I just think NIL is going to find a way to keep us in our place one way or the other. If these guys stay true to their recruiting rankings, we'll be the same old 6-6/7-5 Pitt. If these guys come in here and tear it up and price themselves out, we'll be the same old 6-6/7-5 Pitt.

I mean, that's the reductive version and I'm sure it's slightly more nuanced than that (e.g. maybe the NIL heavy hitters pony up one season if we have the right pieces in place). But, for the most part, I'm just following Pitt football right now knowing that if the system doesn't change soon I'll eventually pay about as much attention to this as I did the Pirates from about 1993 - 2012.

We're lucky to have squeezed 2021 - and even 2022, though that felt like a disappointment in some ways - in. I highly doubt a lot of those guys would have been on those rosters if it was just a year or two later. Pickett, Kancey, Hill... there were certainly rumors swirling of transfers. I know the Pickett one wasn't money related, but ND plus 500k, or whatever they would have came up with, would have probably been too much to refuse.
 
i've learned years ago to never be too high or too low on high school commits, a year before they even step on a college campus. not out of any sort of maturity or respect, just how much of a guessing game all of this really is..

These kids are 16, maybe 17. wont be asked to truly produce on a field for at least 2 more years, some probably 3 (after a redshirt year).

No one knows and again, i say this both ways, good and bad. How many 4 stars with great offers have we landed that did squat..

I 100% believe that these recruiting rankings matter from a macro, law-of-averages perspective. But I will concede that things often seem to be backwards under Narduzzi, to a point where it's kind of weird.

For one, some of the 4-stars he manages to find are Sterling Jenkins sequels. Most people knew Ruben Flowers, Jerry Drake, Naquan Brown, etc. were not legit 4-stars. Then he seems to luck out at times (didn't offer Morrissey, but he really wanted to play in the FBS; offered Dennis while visiting someone else after another LB decommitted; found guys like Twyman and others after getting burned by Jeter and other locals; etc.).

Obviously you have to give him some credit, too. But the law of averages might be catching up with him to some extent. We've had a lot of recent misses a CB and DL - positions he used to do quite well filling.
 
i've learned years ago to never be too high or too low on high school commits, a year before they even step on a college campus. not out of any sort of maturity or respect, just how much of a guessing game all of this really is..

These kids are 16, maybe 17. wont be asked to truly produce on a field for at least 2 more years, some probably 3 (after a redshirt year).

No one knows and again, i say this both ways, good and bad. How many 4 stars with great offers have we landed that did squat..
Seriously ... the fact that football players are now being recruited as freshmen and sophmores and commit after only their junior year of high school I think just makes it more and more of a crapshoot.
 
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Seriously ... the fact that football players are now being recruited as freshmen and sophmores and commit after only their junior year of high school I think just makes it more and more of a crapshoot.
there are offers going to to kids in class of '26 and '27 it makes me laugh, i have to do the math. some of these kids arent even playing varsity football and are still getting offers. these websites are showing their clips which are JV games lol. i wish i was kidding or exaggerating but im not.

I guarantee we've offered a kid or two that hasnt started a game in varsity..
 
Not sure what you expected. Did you read your thread on NIL and the take from Pitt fans?

It's the same level of guys they've been recruiting for years. Here's hoping the QB is a player.
Objectively on paper the class of 2025 looks to be something approaching a historic low point for Pitt in terms of the offer sheets and who Pitt is competing against for this class. I suppose that's the new reality of the NIL era for schools that don't have much juice. Pitt is by no means alone among P5s in this respect, there are many mid-tier P5s from across the country that are finding themselves in the same boat or worse.

The obvious problem is, you recruit MAC players, you can expect MAC level football.
 
I 100% believe that these recruiting rankings matter from a macro, law-of-averages perspective. But I will concede that things often seem to be backwards under Narduzzi, to a point where it's kind of weird.

He just hasn’t landed many highly rated 4* guys.

Most of his 4* commits just barely made the 4* cut off. They were 4*, but with recruit ranking that was basically a 3*. .89 or .90 or .91 type rankings.

It looks like Donald will be the exception. But if you look at the composite ranking of the 4* guys that had a legit 4* ranking, he’s actually hit with most of them.
There have just been very few of them.
 
Objectively on paper the class of 2025 looks to be something approaching a historic low point for Pitt in terms of the offer sheets and who Pitt is competing against for this class. I suppose that's the new reality of the NIL era for schools that don't have much juice. Pitt is by no means alone among P5s in this respect, there are many mid-tier P5s from across the country that are finding themselves in the same boat or worse.

The obvious problem is, you recruit MAC players, you can expect MAC level football.

Honestly, Pitt needs to recruit the 2nd and 3rd string at blue bloods harder. You go to their 3rd string WR and tell them while its great you are making 500K to fill up water bottles at Bama, we'll give you 300K to play football.
 
Objectively on paper the class of 2025 looks to be something approaching a historic low point for Pitt in terms of the offer sheets and who Pitt is competing against for this class. I suppose that's the new reality of the NIL era for schools that don't have much juice. Pitt is by no means alone among P5s in this respect, there are many mid-tier P5s from across the country that are finding themselves in the same boat or worse.

The obvious problem is, you recruit MAC players, you can expect MAC level football.
you've just described 95% of our recruiting classes from 1997 to now. i think you are truly over-estimating our past classes in the last 25 years..

scroll thru past classes under Pat, Chryst, walt, even wanny, look at the fraud's classes, they are all the same.. the only respectable class on paper we had since 2009 was in 2016 and half that class never made it on campus due to underlying health issues..
 
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This.

When has Pitt ever had a slew of great recruits since the 80s? For the most part it’s 3 star ish type guys and an occasional high end player Nothing has changed

If your attachment or excitement about a team is based on recruiting rankings you will be annually disappointed by Pitt
Not all 3 stars are the same. There are no perfect predictors, but offer sheets are generally the best way to evaluate a HS player. Big difference between a 3 star like Dotson who comes from a Div. 1 football factory and has offers from Michigan, Tennessee, and a slew of heavies, versus a Shep Turk who is a bunch of MACs and mids, and Pitt. Offers from the likes of Indiana or GT are essentially no different than offers from MAC programs.

No offfense to Turk, he may become a fine player just as any of these guys may, but we have too many Turks and not enough Dotsons so far in this class. And we aren't even sniffing the 4 star level. I think a those types of players are looking for the highest bidder first and foremost. Again, Pitt is not the only P4-5 program with this issue right now. These are strange times we live in. The guardrails separating amateur and professional athletes are gone.
 
The LB from Good Counsel, which is a high caliber program, has several other P5 offers and is probably a good player.

The rest of the weekends' commits are TBD. I'll say this though, a 5'10 170lbs WR is probably not going to be a highly rated recruit in most cases. Even Xavier Worthy, who was a really good player, was still only a 4 star. You're just going to have a hard time getting noticed without NFL size and skills. Our WRs and TEs don't have that.

But Kade Bell's scheme may not rely on NFL size or skills. I think he wants players who can get open quickly. If our guys can do that, we may be better off with them than with a 6'2" 200lbs contested catch specialist. Obviously I would rather have the more skilled player, but good coaching can minimize the size issues at WR to some extent.
 
you've just described 95% of our recruiting classes from 1997 to now. i think you are truly over-estimating our past classes in the last 25 years..

scroll thru past classes under Pat, Chryst, walt, even wanny, look at the fraud's classes, they are all the same.. the only respectable class on paper we had since 2009 was in 2016 and half that class never made it on campus due to underlying health issues..
On an offer sheet basis, so far on paper this looks as bad or worse than any class we've had since maybe Majors 2. Also not crazy about the blend of players in it so far. Where are the OLs and DLs?
 
Whose committable offers are all that great? A few have some good ones. The visits are pretty telling as to which ones are actually committable. But it's still nothing like we used to recruit.

Having said that, it's difficult to care all that much anymore. We're piecing together a team from season to season, and anything could happen. It's just not worth the time investment to follow recruiting too closely these days.
Yet here you are, commenting in a recruiting thread.
 
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Where are the OLs and DLs?
im going to go out on a limb and predict that we will have filled our scholarship allotment by the time LOI day comes around, which will include a few OL and a few DL.

I know im going out on a limb but i just feel like we are going to do this.


You guys who are under some misguided belief that we recruited well in the recent past are cracking me up. WE ALWAYS RECRUITED LIKE THIS since the golden panthers stopped handing out cars and cash to Gottfried's recruits..
 
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