Unpopular opinion, but Vegas should seed CFP teams
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I think they are changing it next year already because they recognize the flaws it created this year.
If Vegas seeded it, I think it would have been:
1. OSU
2. Oregon
3. Texas
4. UGa (Beck injury)
5. ND
6. PSU
7. Ten
8. Indiana
9. SMU
10. Clemson
11. Arizona St
12. Boise
I don't get why this is such a big deal in college football but is fine in every other sport.
If the Pirates win 98 games (second most in baseball) and have to play in a wildcard elimination game, no one cares.
If the 14-3 Vikings will have to play on the road against the 9-8 Buccaneers, no one will care.
If a 1-seed has to play a 4-seed in the Sweet 16 but an 11-seed gets to play a 15-seed, no one cares.
But people are all up in arms about this CFP seeding.
If the Pirates win 98 games (second most in baseball) and have to play in a wildcard elimination game, no one cares.
If the 14-3 Vikings will have to play on the road against the 9-8 Buccaneers, no one will care.
If a 1-seed has to play a 4-seed in the Sweet 16 but an 11-seed gets to play a 15-seed, no one cares.
But people are all up in arms about this CFP seeding.
Because in pro sports, there is a draft and salary caps so all teams should be fairly even for the most parts. Those leagues want to protect division champions. In college football, its the wild west. Making Oregon play the best team in the country just because they had a stinker of a game vs Michigan is completely unfair. Oregon would have been much better off losing the B10CG and in the future, maybe you'll see teams rest all their starters in games like that if a loss gives them the easier path. Boise and ASU should not have gotten byes.
uh, which game yesterday hovered near the spread? I don't think one game thus far has been within +-5 of the spread ..They do not know anymore than the birds who do the actual seeding, they throw a number out there and rely on outsider's perceptions and in fact create said perceptions.
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So college teams are less evenly matched, so the solution is to come up with a system that benefits the big fish even more?
Also, I can't emphasize enough how much this "Ohio State is the best team" stuff is revisionist history. Indiana only beating Michigan by 5 was viewed as a wart, much less actually losing to them at home.
Yes. The teams are less even in college football. I'm not saying you seed OSU #1 at 10-2. The Michigan loss counts but when OSU and PSU have the same record and played the same schedule, more or less, PSU shouldn't have been seeded higher. If you are keeping the byes, then Texas 5, OSU 6, PSU 7, ND 8. ND also, at 11-1 shouldn't have been seeded ahead of OSU. They had a horrible loss to NIU, worse than OSU vs Michigan. OSU has an extra loss at Oregon but they have wins over PSU and Indiana when ND only beat A&M, Army, Lou.
Using that same logic, why is Indiana an impressive win? You're telling me ND only beating A&M, Louisville, and Army and Navy isn't impressive... but all those wins are more impressive than anyone Indiana beat. So that knocks a data point off Ohio State's super impressive resume, and the logic just becomes circular.
Then we can do Texas and Penn State next; neither team beat anybody.
So then you're going to say it should be the best teams (i.e. the "eye test"). And if we're doing that, we might as well just pick the teams before the season. Like, Ole Miss would have favored over SMU, so should they get the spot? Alabama would be favored over Indiana; should they get the spot?
College football thought it was protecting division (conference) champions (i.e., the top 4 seeds) by giving them byes. As we are learning, that was a miscalculation. The byes don't seem to be very valuable at all.
The conferences signed up for it because they want to protect their conference champions. That championship game is lucrative for the conferences so they wanted to make it valuable. Next year they probably need to give home games to the top 4 teams. You could make the first round games neutral site games, having those be played in certain bowls, then go to home games for the top 4 for the next round. Then back to the bowls after that.
Just go by the polls for seeding purposes. Conference Champions in Hoops aren't guaranteed 1 or 2 seeds.
They will be fine this year with Texas, PSU, OSU and either UGa/ND. Those are 4 of likely top 6-7 sized fanbases in college FB. But you get say a team like Pitt or SMU, and have to go on the road (no biggie) with a home team filling a stadium, but how many fanbases can afford travel and have the size to fill up Bowl stadiums 2-3 weeks in succession for playoffs? Again, they lucked out this year the 4 semifinalists.
Clemson vs Notre Dame... winner plays Penn State
Arizona State vs Ohio State... winner plays Texas
SMU vs Tennessee... winner plays Georgia
Boise St vs Indiana... winner plays Oregon
Then Ohio State would beat Texas, but Penn State would beat Notre Dame... and we'd all be hearing about how unfair it is that 1) Texas had to play the best team 2) Penn State has such an easy path (bye + ND). Nothing on Pantherlair would change, because it all boils down to Penn State envy.
IU is considered impressive because of how highly the committee thought of them.
OSU had one of the best wins in the nation this season.
Best wins:
1. UGa at Texas
2. UGa vs Texas
3. NIU at ND
4. OSU at PSU
You could argue that OSU's win at PSU was the 2nd best win in the nation. ND beating A&M, Lou, and 2 service academies doesn't measure up.
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The NFL has crossover opponents between divisions. The top teams play a tougher schedule based on the previous year results. Because of the schedule balance, it's a fair approach. But the NFL also gets homefield throughout the playoffs until the Super Bowl and not making a team wait 3.5 weeks between games right as well.
The college playoff system is an invitational and they should seed it as such. I think for the most part we've seen it was an advantage to not have a bye and play an opening home game. Actually, those teams got a default bye because of the week off between conference championships and the start of the playoffs.
