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He isn't being given the shaft. They are making him earn the job. So far this season he's looked like a first time starter.
Peterman is way better
he can actually throw the ball to guys other than boyd
and he can throw vertically voytik can't
voytik is very similar to Tino -- panicky in the pocket, and can't throw downfield
he can actually throw the ball to guys other than boyd
and he can throw vertically voytik can't
voytik is very similar to Tino -- panicky in the pocket, and can't throw downfield
Peterman is a lot faster than I thought, looked very good running the ball. That read-option garbage needs to go away, think Chaney will fuse this out of the new gameplan, especially if Nate is the man.
I concur completely. If Chaney eventually does what seems inevitable, totally scrap the read option with Peterman. I don't mind him scrambling on a broken play. But, please, DO NOT design those for him unless it's some trick in short yardage or goal line.
this. Voytik is way to easy to game plan against. Most of the field is gone because CV has no vertical game.
Nate P. has played better so far. The three most impressive downfield pass completions have come from Nate P. They were the completion to Ford down the sideline against YSU; the completion to Holtz down the middle against Akron; and the completion to Holtz over the middle for a TD against Akron.
Chad has one big pass play so far but it really was a fluke where an under-thrown ball was caught by Orndoff coming underneath the intended receiver...
With Conner out, this team really needs a down-the-field pass threat to allow the run game to have a chance...
I have no problem with letting the two QBs continue to play and compete.
Go PItt.
Voytik's game includes running when he has to do it on broken and designed plays and has that ability unlike Tino!
Peterman is much like Savage and will need time to adjust to Pitt Players and Offense and that is Ok too, since Pitt has more experienced Players around him, as savage was beat up helping create them?
Up to the Coaches to figure out how and when to use both or choose one, and that will decide Pitt fate for this season too?
Of Chryst/Rudolph had stayed, does anyone think Voytik would be replaced as the Starter and especially Peterman not even being at Pitt?
Chaney has decided to mess with the Offense that scored 30+ points the last 5 games of last year, and to be fair, has to adjust to losing Linemen and Connor, so we shall see if Coach Pat?Chaney are correct and great coaches or will suffer from their own makings?
I will be happy if Coach Pat & Staff make the Defense and Special Teams better, and content to let Chaney run the Offense and let all of them be judged by what happens in 2015?
I am actually looking forward to seeing how they do at Iowa. At least they are not standing still and making things happen, whether that is correct we shall see?
We already saw Wannstedt, Graham and Chryst lose games in ways that dumbfounded all of us, I can wait to see of Coach Pat & Staff are different?
Iowa's Ferentz will teach Coach Pat/Chaney a lesson welcoming him to Head Coaching or a Great Coach will be born on Saturday in beating another very good Coach in Ferentz?
Pitt Posters and Fans have been here before, in Harris
, Wanny, GraHAM, and Chryst, what will be new is if Coach Pat pulls it off! Wanny beat Iowa's Ferentz by a point, GraHAM blew a big lead, and Chryst came up shy on his play calling.....now up to Coach Pat & Staff?
Peterman is much like Savage and will need time to adjust to Pitt Players and Offense and that is Ok too, since Pitt has more experienced Players around him, as savage was beat up helping create them?
Up to the Coaches to figure out how and when to use both or choose one, and that will decide Pitt fate for this season too?
Of Chryst/Rudolph had stayed, does anyone think Voytik would be replaced as the Starter and especially Peterman not even being at Pitt?
Chaney has decided to mess with the Offense that scored 30+ points the last 5 games of last year, and to be fair, has to adjust to losing Linemen and Connor, so we shall see if Coach Pat?Chaney are correct and great coaches or will suffer from their own makings?
I will be happy if Coach Pat & Staff make the Defense and Special Teams better, and content to let Chaney run the Offense and let all of them be judged by what happens in 2015?
I am actually looking forward to seeing how they do at Iowa. At least they are not standing still and making things happen, whether that is correct we shall see?
We already saw Wannstedt, Graham and Chryst lose games in ways that dumbfounded all of us, I can wait to see of Coach Pat & Staff are different?
Iowa's Ferentz will teach Coach Pat/Chaney a lesson welcoming him to Head Coaching or a Great Coach will be born on Saturday in beating another very good Coach in Ferentz?
Pitt Posters and Fans have been here before, in Harris
, Wanny, GraHAM, and Chryst, what will be new is if Coach Pat pulls it off! Wanny beat Iowa's Ferentz by a point, GraHAM blew a big lead, and Chryst came up shy on his play calling.....now up to Coach Pat & Staff?
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Yeah I think unfortunately for Chad, Peterman showing a little bit of speed is about to seal the deal. I like Chad a lot and I think Peterman played good too. No matter what happens though, I'll take this situation every day of the week. Think of how bad it was a few years ago. Sunseri basically had to start because Trey Anderson was the only backup, and he may go down as the most irrelevant backup qb ever. Not knocking the kid, but he actually got playing time and literally did nothing.
i hope peterman does not have a bad game if he's in there all the time because i just dont know what some people are going to say after the way they've talked him up and trashed voytik.
also the next person who says voytik can't throw to anyone but boyd should consider actually watching some pitt games from last year. 52% of the team's catches or whatever is not 100% last i checked.
also the next person who says voytik can't throw to anyone but boyd should consider actually watching some pitt games from last year. 52% of the team's catches or whatever is not 100% last i checked.
Chad threw to Boyd in many instances when there were wide open options.. Whether it was him wanting Boyd or not being able to go thru one progression, I don't know. My complaint is that you very rarely see him step up into the pocket and make a strong throw downfield.. You never see him look off his primary target and make a strong throw to a secondary option. Even the nice throw he had in first quarter to Boyd (the play he hurt his hand), he seems to throw on his backfoot, fading away, kind of weird to me.. The throw that Nate made to Holtz (actually there were 2), it was rare to see a Pitt QB actually step up in the pocket and make a strong throw.
I like Chad, I really do and I think he will get enough opportunities even as soon as Saturday night. It just seems that he is so tentative to just step forward and make a throw. I'll re-watch last year's highlights and see if I see any. This is a skill set that is needed at any level of QB and for him not to have this, is quite odd.. He has the skills to make the highlight plays, the scrambling around then jump in the air and throw it downfield plays but it's his inability to just make the average plays that frustrates me.. The pass to Zeise last week is the perfect example.. He will jump off his backfoot and throw the ball 25 yards downfield and hit Boyd on the sideline but he will miss a wr running a 7 yard slant.. It's crap like that which just kills us..
Apparently the coaches do - at least for now. It's a long season; let's see how it plays out.
Peterman has the better arm, stronger and more accurate and Voytik has better legs he is a better at running the ball. Can we fuse them together
Peterman isn't a world beater, but Voytik has seemingly regressed. Worst part about that? He was very limited to begin with.
Politics. Chaney recruited Peterman. The coach just wants to prove he can win with his guy.
With Peterman you don't have to game plan for much of a running QB, so I'd argue that Voytik is harder to gameplan against.
Did you see the fourth down play? Peterman Tino'd.
It's pretty clear Chad never had a shot. He gets what 8 throws in a game with his top WR then the coach yanks him.
I'd argue you would want a more running quarterback to offset the loss of Conner. The passing game was working fine down the stretch last year. Ask UNC and Miami.
If Voytik has regressed isn't that on Chaney? Only new variable since last year unless you think the injuries have made that big of a deal.
For those of you who say Voytik focuses too much on Boyd I ask you, is that a bad thing? Worked pretty well down the stretch last year. Nobody else is running wide open. I want the ball going to my best playmaker.
For those of you praise Peterman, did you watch Tennessee last year? Dumpster fire at QB last year before they settled on Josh Dobbs. During that time Voytik was starting and playing fairly well.
I want to be wrong, but Chaney seems to be messing up this offense. Curious to see how a Voytik benching plays in the locker room.
Yeah, I don't agree at all SteelCityChamps and I think Chad was vastly overrated last year. He has always been limited since he was a recruit and I think his zeroing in on Boyd is a problem to worry about and is getting worse.
Limited as a recruit?
Army All American and 5th at Elite 11. 109 ranked in the country. Offers from Chad Morris, Dan Mullen and Bill O'Brien
That should not matter now. It's a what have you done for me lately world, but he was by no way limited as a recruit.
I guess we'll just disagree on the QBs and that's what makes this board great. Lots of PITT discussion.
Hail to PITT!
Maybe I'm wrong but pretty sure I actually remember at the time hearing that Chad was ranked #1 at the Elite 11.
There have been numerous times where a TE or WR opposite of Boyd have been wide open. Look no further than the missed opportunities to find Holtz for an easy TD rather than squeezing the ball into double-coverage.
He was. Dilfer, who was running the Elite 11 was very high on Voytik. This competition is by no means over. I hope Voytik finds his rhythm and makes an impact going forward.
Thanks. Just wanted to double check but yeah I do remember it now specifically being Dilfer who ran it and he was #1.
Yes. He had ability, but his height and arm limited his potential and meant that the offense would need to very specialized for him. Also, he played very low level competition, so he need a lot of work reading defenses and making progressions. Had very good mobility and ability to throw outside of the pocket, so he certainly was an intriguing recruit with potential.
He was not. He got ranked #5. Still a very good get for Pitt.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...y/_/id/6794915/trio-share-mvp-honors-elite-11
Voytik's play to date and the resulting QB carousel is a disappointing and disturbing early season story line. Voytik played his best football down the stretch last season and appeared to be improving each week. We were supposed to be set at QB coming into the 2015 season. Instead, Voytik has struggled and we suddenly have a question mark at the most important position on the team. It's nice that Peterman has looked pretty decent to this point, but no matter how certain posters insist on characterizing these first two victories, these were the warm up games- we were supposed to win and easily. And the shuffling of QBs has to have had a negative impact on CV's confidence.
This story will have to play itself out, but I think the QB situation is a real concern at this point.
Thanks. Thought I remembered something about him being #1, so that must've been it. Makes sense now because I always wondered how the #1 at the camp wasn't a 5 star.
Personally, I really like this idea of using both QBs in the first two games against less talented teams. It gives them both a good bit of playing time before they move into the tougher part of the schedule.
They've both made some mistakes. They've both thrown some nice passes. They both are building some confidence. They both still need to up their game.
Imagine if one of them gets hurt. I think we'd all surely be glad that both QBs got substantial playing time. We'd have a back up who is already comfortable running the plays during a game and who has already built a little chemistry with the offense players around him.
I think these two will keep pushing each other to get better. I think the team may very well benefit from them sharing time. When one does something better on the field, the other can learn from it.
We don't know yet how good either can be. Both show some promise. I look forward to seeing them both bringing it.
I just want to add that I LOVE seeing our tight ends getting some touches and showing the coaches how truly valuable a role they can play this season. I heard Chaney make a comment to Peak (before the season began) that sounded like he was not going to have the TEs be such a big part of the passing game.
I am glad he is giving them opportunities to show what they can do. Having two great pairs of hands at TE really takes some pressure off of a QB looking for someone in addition to Tyler to make big plays.
They've both made some mistakes. They've both thrown some nice passes. They both are building some confidence. They both still need to up their game.
Imagine if one of them gets hurt. I think we'd all surely be glad that both QBs got substantial playing time. We'd have a back up who is already comfortable running the plays during a game and who has already built a little chemistry with the offense players around him.
I think these two will keep pushing each other to get better. I think the team may very well benefit from them sharing time. When one does something better on the field, the other can learn from it.
We don't know yet how good either can be. Both show some promise. I look forward to seeing them both bringing it.
I just want to add that I LOVE seeing our tight ends getting some touches and showing the coaches how truly valuable a role they can play this season. I heard Chaney make a comment to Peak (before the season began) that sounded like he was not going to have the TEs be such a big part of the passing game.
I am glad he is giving them opportunities to show what they can do. Having two great pairs of hands at TE really takes some pressure off of a QB looking for someone in addition to Tyler to make big plays.
I know I don't see a better QB here and why can we not develop a receiver to go with Boyd , really cant figure that out. Play calling is far from being exciting . With that said here is hoping we can look good against the Iowa team that is a pure favorite everywhere and his would be a upset, so lets go Panthers.
He actually was ranked #1 at one point in the camp; there are multiple rankings that come out during the Elite 11 "combine".
Chryst knew how to play call for Chad, Cheney does not. Chad is nothing like Tino, Chad can run the read and when the pocket breaks down he can move. Tino did neither. We will see how this plays out, but I think Cheney is just more comfortable with Peterman.
I totally agree, Voytik has always seemed to me like a poor man's Tim Tebow. He can run, he's OK as a college QB, just OK, nothing special, but he's not much of a passer. Tino was a better passer.
Voytik is a square peg in a round hole. He was recruited to Pitt to run Graham's spread, the offense he ran in HS. Chryst inherited an empty cupboard at the QB position so he had to bring in Savage and try to make Voytik fit in a conventional offense. Chryst failed to recruit the QB position as well, so this is what we're left with.
That said, by the end of last year, I really thought we were in great shape with Voytik headed into this season. he was showing week to week improvement, and the coaches were calling plays he was comfortable with. Then came another new regime and playbook, the third one Voytik has had to master in 4 years. He looks like a rookie all over again so far.
Bottom line--Narduzzi needs to emphasize recruiting the QB position the way Chryst emphasized the RB position. This means bringing a few new QBs into the system and let them compete for the job.
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