I still can't get that 3rd and 4 deep pass call to Pickens out of my mind, followed by that punt. But the punt, ehhh, it happens occasionally. That 3rd and 4 call should never have happened.
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safe coach = make money and make my dad legacy grow rooney turd
art2 rooney was desperate , he got russel wilson and the dude will never win a championship. a championship ? LOL christ all rooney wants is a playoff win . and t wont happen ......
jagoff Tomlin is a horrid coach
Tomlin and Narudzzi are lauging to the bank , while us hard working class get zero.
art2 rooney was desperate , he got russel wilson and the dude will never win a championship. a championship ? LOL christ all rooney wants is a playoff win . and t wont happen ......
jagoff Tomlin is a horrid coach
Tomlin and Narudzzi are lauging to the bank , while us hard working class get zero.
The only thing both of those coaches do is talk a good game into the camera, and give nothing on the field.
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I really didt care who won. I wanted the Steelers to win but their coach is a blow job and he has no motivativation other than his own ego. I wish he would jump off a river and say I m frree, Let someone else coach them.
- For all the investing in oline, it stinks.
- Russ can pass but gets happyfeet/bails on way too many downs.
- Fields can’t pass
- The passing game/play calling in general still stink
- Canada hire made no sense and Arthur hire not far behind
- The d for most part all year above line but dline got killed yesterday
see dude, people know.
just normal pople wathing the ga,e. the kids around is what make it a show.
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just normal pople wathing the ga,e. the kids around is what make it a show.
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Im just a normal MF watching a football game , that said hello to other dudes that might be happeniing to watch .......
nothing to see here. wtf ....
nothing to see here. wtf ....
I’d like someone to explain the strategy behind the Steelers consistently calling running plays that involve a deep handoff in short-yardage situations - especially when their offensive line is a sieve. Usually the running back doesn’t even make it back to the line-of-scrimmage, let alone making the needed yardage.
The “Tomlin special” thing is not a significant thing to me. It’s the NFL and all coaches lose games they shouldn’t. But last year losing to the two worst teams in football back to back at home strikes a chord with me. And being 1-5 at Cleveland the last 7 years, while going 9-3 at Cincy and Baltimore strikes me as pretty profound.
I tend to agree with this ... I think a lot of Tomlin's logic, which I do not think was terrible logic but obviously it didn't work last night, is "I have a Super Bowl caliber defense, this defense can win games for us when it has to." Guess what, the defense didn't get it done and maybe it's not Super Bowl caliber. I can remember Joey Porter getting a sack in the Super Bowl on the opponents final drive. Last night, nobody could get to Winston on the final drive. TJ Watt was invisible. Defense was dealt a bad hand by virtue of a terrible punt, yes that's true, and I can't imagine Tomlin was expecting that.
Serious question about mediocre Mike -- would anybody take 2 time coach of the year Stefanski over Tomlin? I wouldn't. I know Stefanski has had his hands tied by a poor decisions by the GM on the Watson deal, but his coaching doesn't strike as anything dramatically more impressive than Tomlin; Stefanski was calling the plays earlier this year for the Browns' offense and it was terrible, it has appeared to improve under Dorsey.
People on here may think I'm crazy, but I don't know if there's a single coach in the NFL I would take over Tomlin, other than Reid and Campbell. Maybe Shanahan but probably not. I don't think we'd be any better with either Harbaugh, it would be a wash in my opinion with either of those guys.
I'm not old enough to remember Knoll so I can't comment on him, but I feel like there is a lot of romanticizing Cowher on this thread. My memories of him include a bad home playoff loss to the Chargers, losing a Super Bowl to the Cowboys (I will say that was a talented Cowboys roster), and him being owned by the Patriots. Cowher was certainly very good. He was not amazingly better than Tomlin from what I remember. What I remember from Cowher was a lot of always being good but not being elite, other than one magical season that took a miracle shoestring tackle by Big Ben. Sort of a lot like what we have under Tomlin.
I think he’s good too , same with shanahan .Here's one:
Edit--for the record, I think Tomlin is a damn good coach.
Reid is the best right now since he’s done it over a long time.
The last few next big things fell back to earth quickly .
I think all bets are off in a road game played in a blizzard. You can't count on a lot of scoring, nor can you count on your punter not to slip on bad footing, your kicker to have his usual game, your QB to be effective throwing downfield, your WRs to be able to stay upright on their cuts and catch the ball when it hits them in the hands, your pass rushers tpo be able to do their job without slipping and falling, your DBs to keep their feet and be able to stay with WRs, etc. All you can do if you're fortunate enough to get a lead late in a game like this is find a way to hold onto it and gut out a win by any means necessary and GTFO of there. The Stillers O had it in their hands with 3 mins left, but bungled it.
Could the O have played better in the first half before the playing conditions totally went to hell? For sure. Were they plays there to be had that they missed? Absolutely. there are missed opportunities and woulda shoulda couldas for all teams throughout every game, and then there's crunch time, the last 3-4 minutes of a game. That's when you can;t have missed opportunities. That's when you have to call good effective plays and your players have to execute them. The Stillers butchered that with their most important offensive possession.
The offense was bad, sure. Do you think Cleveland fans were pleased with their offense giving the Steelers the ball on the Cleveland 15 in the 4th quarter on a lost fumble? Do you think they appreciated that INT Jameis threw on their next possession? Do you think they enjoyed losing a 12 point lead with 8 mins left in the game due to turnovers?
If their offense plays a little smarter in the 4th Q, executes a little better, they win by 12, and we don't get to have these useless debates on the Lair. For a brief moment at the 3 minute mark, the Stillers O held a gift in its hands, but dropped it with one of the most poorly schemed play sequences imaginable given the game situation.
And by the way--the NFL team scoring average this year is 21.4. The Stillers have 8 wins with 22 ppg. The mighty Chiefs average a whopping 24. A total of 9 teams average 25 or better, only 2 over 30.
So apparently a lot of teams do win by scoring 19 or more.
You could be right in the long run, but that's quite a projection you're making given that his head coaching career thus far is only 10 games -- and his record is 5-5 with a minus point differential.
The whole secondary struggled in the 2nd half which is to be expected given the conditions.
Where's your ire for the guys who were supposed to be covering the 3 TEs that wewre wide open on every play and killed the Stillers all night? Porter had no hand in that. If those TEs don't drop 3 or 4 throws that hit them right between the numbers, this game was never close.
I really don;t wan to get to deep into this kind of debate here, but how in the almighty F can anyone not have Dan Campbell at the top of this list, let alone below MadcDonald? Reid, OK, based on his long history of excellence--but if you have any idea how bad, how desperate, how sad sack, how clownish this Lions franchise has been for 70 years, what Campbell has done there in 3 short years is F'ing amazing. He did t first with a change in cutkure, metnality. Sjaking off the stench of 70 years of losing and desperation was a monumental task and hjadd to be first priority, and he accomplished it--quickly. Mostly by being genuine with his players and beleivng in them, which got them to belvie in themselves.
You can have Reid, MacDonald, Shanny--I'll take MCDC all day every day. How do you think Reid would do with Jared Goff as his QB? Under Dan Campbell, Goff got his confidence back, became the team leader--that was all that was missing-- and no NFL QB is playing at a higher level than he is right now.
He's not even the best "young" head coach in the NFL. Kevin O'Connell, Shanahan, LeFleur to name a couple I'd take over him in a heartbeat.
Problem is the conditions weren't horrible at the beginning of the game, when the Steelers should have been distancing themselves from inferior competition. If it were a blizzard the whole game I'd agree.
Edit: I see you touched on that in your second paragraph. But I'm not excusing it as much. Come out and lay the wood on a 2-8 team.
I don't disagree-despite racking up a lot more yardage than Cleveland, the Steelers couldn't finish. Statistically Russ and the O had a very good game, outside of his fumble. From what I've seen of them all season that has had more to do with the play calling than the personnel. The use of personnel and the run/pass choices have been puzzling to say the least.
Still, the fact remains that despite all of their struggles, the offense was gifted a chance to ice the game with 3 mins left, and absolutely butchered it. Art should have had to answer some very hard questions about that 3 down sequence.
It's easy to be a good coach when Patrick Mahommes is your QB.
Russell Wilson was 18-22 passing when the Steelers got that possession after the INT. Not having him on the field for that possession is something Smith can’t ever come close to justifying.
It's easy to be a good coach when Ben is your QB, too. Though you wouldn't know it by the last 11 seasons the Steelers put together with him.
Reid has been super creative with that offense and has put Mahomes in a pretty nice position to succeed.
Sure. Shoulda won more with Prime Ben. But Mahommes is one of the two greatest QBs ever.
Reid was doing quite a bit more in Philadelphia than what Tomlin has done in the last 14 years, also. Reid and McCarthy have gotten chastised for bodies of work that have been as good or better than Tomlin's. Is the .500 or better streak that important?
Also, the difference between Cowher and Tomlin (from earlier in the thread) was what they inherited. Tomlin inherited a championship roster, rode it for a few years, and then let it turn to mud. Cowher inherited a floundering team and revamped this franchise quickly. I believe I recall reading that the Super Bowl he made in year 4 was with a huge percentage of the roster being "his guys." Tomlin has been nothing but mediocre once the roster turned over to a point where most of it was his guys, and that's even with having inherited a HOF QB.
Mostly because they haven't been afraid to go get playmakers and keep a good OL in front of the guy. It's kind of funny how that always translates to success even when it isn't going great. Their offense isn't even dominant this year but they're winning because other teams can't get on the field.
He also had success with McNabb and Smith. Obviously not the Mahomes level bit consistently won a lot and won playoff games.
So disappointed that Joe Starkey is on PTO today. There is nothing better on Pittsburgh radio than Starkey after a Steeler loss. Especially when there were so many coaching blunders. The rants would have been epic…and all would have contained talk of 9-8, 9-8, 9-8 and first round playoff loss. Same old Steelers.
Cowher coached in 6 AFC title games in 15 years of coaching. That is 40 % of the time the Steelers were championship relevant. Tomlin hasn't done shit since 2016. Steelers fans are tired of Tomlin because we are not championship relevant, instead we have become a team that finds finishing 1 game over 500 an achievement. Cowher may have only won two of the 6 title games, but, at least we were consistently one of the best teams in the AFC. If not for Brady and Belichick, he would have a few more rings. The Steelers are pretenders once again this year under Tomlin. Watch what happens with the remaining schedule. In any event, I don't think Tomlin is in the same league as Cowher, unless you want to talk about their abilities to speak elegantly in title catch phrases. Tomlin wins that hands down.
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He and Narduzzi are the same coach to me. Solid coaches, but not ones who ever understood the totality of the game. Both guys like to stick to their baby: the defensive side of the ball.
They'll produce a solid team most seasons. And if they luck into a solid offense - given what they've inherited or what the OC in a particular season is able to come up with - then they'll just keep their hands off it and ride that wave. But they're not going to be able to build/sustain a great offense.
They're so old school that it actually works to some degree. But there's also a ceiling that comes with their methods. And I'm not sure that either could be worse at game management. For instance, Narduzzi calling a timeout with 14 seconds left instead of 19. And Tomlin burning that second timeout last night and then letting a 9-yard pass drain, what - 25 seconds off the clock? They continue to outdo themselves.
and your franchise would fail. Lions have a good coach but they have a better GM. Much of that gets lost when looking at W-L and franchise success.
I remember us being pretenders under Cowher as well, until we got Big Ben.
I don't think "championship relevant" is sufficient. It doesn't move the needle to me much more than saying Tomlin has been in the playoff hunt every single year for almost two decades. They are both accomplishments that are good but not good enough. I'm not an Eagles fan but I'm willing to bet that if you ask them, Reid making the Eagles "championship relevant" by getting to a conference championship year in and year out wasn't good enough. Or ask someone who grew up in Buffalo in the early 90s.
They have a great GM-who hired a great head coach as soon as he got the GM job. That head coach then hired a great young OC who is the hottest commodity in the NFL right now. Dan Campbell changed the worst, longest, most hopeless losing culture in pro sports history. What he did goes far beyond the GM behind the scenes work of assembling a good roster-although Campbell works hand and hand with Brad Holmes to do that too. You’d have to be a long suffering Lions fan like me to truly understand how amazing what Campbell has done here has been.
