0 passing yards in the fourth quarter.
Zero.
You're mental in you think the offensive gamelan which gagged again in the fourth quarter was great.
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You're mental in you think the offensive gamelan which gagged again in the fourth quarter was great.
What a slappy, simple-minded perspective on this totally inexcusable and brutal loss.
Totally agree once again we just clicked and meshed. What a great gameplan! Sure some simpleminded morons will think the coaches gameplanned for zero passing yards in the 4th quarter, but think we know it's lack of personal, lack of execution and obviously wanting to run clock.
Someone said we shoulda ran actually more and I agree. Look at FSU, they aren't afraid to run 80 percent of the plays today to win. I don't care if we run every play if we win. It takes a real buffoon to want to pass when we are averaging 7 yards a carry and controlling the game and clock. Us throwing is what got us in trouble
Someone said we shoulda ran actually more and I agree. Look at FSU, they aren't afraid to run 80 percent of the plays today to win. I don't care if we run every play if we win. It takes a real buffoon to want to pass when we are averaging 7 yards a carry and controlling the game and clock. Us throwing is what got us in trouble
It is a catch-22 Duzz wants to run his scheme, but doesn't have the players to run it......so do you just continue to do it and hope they figure it out or do you change things up on the back end.......
UNC did what every team has done after halftime, they loaded up hard against the run.
Pitt did what they have done every game after halftime, they got more conservative and continued to find themselves in third and longs and were unable to convert.
It's a combination of the offensive mindset at that point, a quarterback that the OC clearly doesn't trust to make big plays, and wide recievers that can't get open.
Either way, if the defense has the slightest pulse the past two weeks we actually win.
Pitt did what they have done every game after halftime, they got more conservative and continued to find themselves in third and longs and were unable to convert.
It's a combination of the offensive mindset at that point, a quarterback that the OC clearly doesn't trust to make big plays, and wide recievers that can't get open.
Either way, if the defense has the slightest pulse the past two weeks we actually win.
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We certainly did not get more conservative in the second half.
We threw more I think and Henderson had 70 of his yards and his fumble running jet sweeps in the second half.
We certainly did not get more conservative in the second half.
We threw more I think and Henderson had 70 of his yards and his fumble running jet sweeps in the second half.
Well that is true. Criticism that is fair of narduzzi is he is not altering to suit his players he is keeping up the intensity on D, but one O they are adjusting to suit the players. I imagine the reason for this is he is a defensive guy and he is allowing Canada to do his thing without too much inference . Certainly a lot to like about the D. Rather die being aggressive than die being passive. We have 14 sacks and 4th in turnovers forced, near the top in the country on run defense. And generally we get out of the gate extremely well, which is a sign of great preparation and coaching.
Unless you watched the 2nd half and 4th quarter in particular. This week and last week it is clear that Canada tightens with the game on the line. Calling a "great" game for 2-3 quarters despite a very mediocre to bad QB and then being terrible for the final quarter, but blaming it on the QB doesn't fly. Same QB and same limitations the entire game. The offense is no doubt limited and he is doing an ok job, but there are a lot of situations where the play calling is just unbelievably predictable, especially late in the game.
The defensive coaching has been awful the past 3 games and really like HCPN is going to die on his (CB) island, even if he could just tweak it and win the Coastal. He doesn't seem interested in that and that is very worrisome moving forward. Even Nick Saban understands you have to adapt to the game, opponent, and personnel you have.
Then you must think there was a lot of bad coaching in the 4th quarter...
Trouble is, this defense would work with Revis and Darquez Denard....we aint got no one resembling them..so...is it coaching or the players? We need the players....
Even Saban? You mean especially Saban. That's one of the reasons he's the best in the business.
I mean, even, because he is looked at as a "my way or the highway" and either it works doing it exactly as he wants or someone else is to blame. That isn't the case, obviously, for him and successful coaches. You install your way and you make sure there is buy in, but most importantly you do what is needed to win, even if that means tweaking the system or personnel, depending on your opponent or talent.
I honestly dont believe that at all.
We ran 4 jet sweeps to Henderson in the 4th quarter alone, and passed each possession. All were incomplete. It was not play calling, it was execution.
I DO agree for penn state game the play calling was really really conservative. We were not as conservative. Again, the argument could definitely be made if we DID NOT pass and rushed each time, we would have won that game.
On our first two drives of the second half we ran the ball 15 times in 17 plays. One of the two passes was a shovel pass to James Conner. So we actually did get more conservative in the second half.
Oh, wait, everyone complaining about being conservative isn't complaining about being conservative when it worked. They are only complaining about being conservative when it didn't work.
The last two Pitt possessions of the 4th quarter-the ones that preceded the two UNC touchdowns--we ran the ball up the gut twice for minimal gains, putting us in 3rd and 8 each time. The last offensive play we ran was a screen pass to Conner on 3rd and 8 for a one yard gain.
And your only criticism of the 4th quarter offense is that we didn't run the ball on the two 3rd and longs?
Some of you guys really don't understand this game even a little bit.
I'm sure Narduzzi has a great plan for what he wants to do with his defense, but he obviously (to most of us) doesn't have the players to make it work this season.
My belief -- and it is just my opinion -- is the best coaches make the adjustments to their systems to give their players a chance to win games. If he doesn't adjust, his corners will continue to get torched and victories will be tougher to earn.
What don't you believe? Did you watch the games?
Also what about running jet sweeps for us isn't being conservative? We run 10+ a game. It is how we run a sweep. And UNC in particular caught on how to stop it and shut it down. Same with running a screen or 2 yard pattern on 3rd and 8. Those are tighten your butthole and hope the defense craps the bed calls.
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Every drive during the last 3 games. Late in the 4th quarter went exactly like this.
1st down. Dive to Conner
2nd down. Delayed hand off or a pitch to Conner.
3rd down. Flare to Connor or 5 yard out to Ollison lol.
If that's not turtling late in the game.......well
That flare to Connor has been called around 5 times. All 5 times he has not gotten a yard. Its time to throw that play in the garbage can.
1st down. Dive to Conner
2nd down. Delayed hand off or a pitch to Conner.
3rd down. Flare to Connor or 5 yard out to Ollison lol.
If that's not turtling late in the game.......well
That flare to Connor has been called around 5 times. All 5 times he has not gotten a yard. Its time to throw that play in the garbage can.
Pretty clear you don't know the game at all. First you are incorrect. Secondly, if we ran twice more that's a minute and half less time IF we didn't rush for a first down.
Not sure why you would respond to a message rudely and get facts wrong
Our first td drive we ran 10 out of 11 plays. So first halfway even more conservative. As you said just the negative ninnies write when it doesn't work
What facts did I get wrong?
So you actually believe we should have ran the ball on those last two third and longs just to use more time, when there was 9 minutes left when we started our second to last possession and over 5 minutes left when we started our final possession? Not only that but you think we should have used the whole play clock on those two 3rd down runs you would have called?
Now that;s some brilliant stuff right there.
So your definition of "conservative" offense simply means any run play, regardless of what kind of run play and formation it is?
Unfortunately, it seems Orndoff is often running shorter routes where usually Peterman stares him down and then forces the pass. Sometimes Orndoff hasn't been able to make separation and sometimes the S/LB has closed in on him by the time the ball gets there. Canada needs to take advantage of Orndoff's long arms and soft hands. Orndoff is a good deep threat. He's been able to make big plays at Pitt just about every time he's been thrown a deep pass.
Tight ends don't have to get "separation". They just have to run good routes and use their bodies to keep the defender away from the ball.
Agree with you about needing to use him a little more effectively. He is a weapon--big, quick enough and excellent hands. I believe he will play on Sundays.
One thing that drove me nuts last year, and the year before, was we had excellent pass-catching tight ends that we barely threw to. The TE is a marginal QB's best friend.
Or how about putting Henderson in the slot and having him matched up with a linebacker. Either running a shallow drag across the middle or a quick hitch. Just like UNC did with Switzer.
Its a VERY easy pitch and catch. For even a midget league QB.
Its the perfect play call for late in the game. Especially, on 1st or 3rd down to get a easy 5 to 7 yards everytime.
Exactly how UNC used Switzer late. Please throw away the flare to Conner out in the flat. Its ridiculous
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Agree with you about needing to use him a little more effectively. He is a weapon--big, quick enough and excellent hands. I believe he will play on Sundays.
One thing that drove me nuts last year, and the year before, was we had excellent pass-catching tight ends that we barely threw to. The TE is a marginal QB's best friend.[/QUOTE]
Yes. He certainly has the size and the talent to play at the next level and he's much more of a deep threat than Holtz.
Yes, underutilizing our TEs last year drove me nuts too. Chaney drove me nuts. I'm so glad he was able to put that trickiness of his to use by fooling Georgia into hiring him to screw up their offense.
Anyway, I would like to see Peterman hit Orndoff moving vertically, placing the ball where only he can get it. That's the beauty of having a big athletic TE. Imagine if Pitt used Orndoff similarly to how ND used Kyle Rudolph and Tyler Eifert.
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Agree with you about needing to use him a little more effectively. He is a weapon--big, quick enough and excellent hands. I believe he will play on Sundays.
One thing that drove me nuts last year, and the year before, was we had excellent pass-catching tight ends that we barely threw to. The TE is a marginal QB's best friend.[/QUOTE]
Yes. He certainly has the size and the talent to play at the next level and he's much more of a deep threat than Holtz.
Yes, underutilizing our TEs last year drove me nuts too. Chaney drove me nuts. I'm so glad he was able to put that trickiness of his to use by fooling Georgia into hiring him to screw up their offense.
Anyway, I would like to see Peterman hit Orndoff moving vertically, placing the ball where only he can get it. That's the beauty of having a big athletic TE. Imagine if Pitt used Orndoff similarly to how ND used Kyle Rudolph and Tyler Eifert.
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We always talk about Narduzzi being a defensive guy?
I cant imagine how many points our opponents would score if he wasn't a defensive guy!
Not sure he's holding up that end of the bargin!
Its looking more like WannyBall every week to me!
I actually liked WannyBall because he seemed to win more than he lost!
And it was exciting!
This is like watching paint dry and losing???
It's not all these yards the sheep talk about, it's about the clock, the game management etc, and Canada sucks at it in the 4th Q, and that's why he has been fired MULTIPLE TIMES
I was pissed at the call when it happened, but when watching a replay saw that if O'Neil hadn't missed his seal block, JC had an easy 1st down. The play call would have worked. The execution was poor. My biggest beef with the passing game is that we don't use the middle of the field. It's as if the space doesn't exist
If either he hadn't missed that block or the pass was somewhat more accurate. Either way, I don't like that call on a pivotal 3rd down. I'd like a play in which the pass travels necessary yardage+ through the air.
It means that in the 1st half. It does not mean that when he tries to say a 4th quarter jet sweep (which we were running for the 10th time) is an example of not being conservative.
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Thank you.
I prefer us being conservative up 13 with a couple minutes to play. If we were more conservative we win
I agree about the middle of the field. Read my post above.
Henderson could be a bigger weapon exploiting the middle of the field against linebackers. Than on those jet sweeps if used on certain routes. Just like UNC did with Switzer against us
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