Like I said in another thread if X and Trey both decide to leave so be it. The Pitt basketball program won’t fold and will move on without them. A starting 5 of Horton,Toney,Champagnie,Hugley,and Drumgoole with the possibility of still landing Jeffress and with guys coming in like Amadasun and Collier, and still having a guy like Coulibaly in the mix along with a few JUCO’s I don’t know how much worse off Pitt would be.
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Well we know what some of them thought about those guys when they were playing a lot less than that as freshmen, so it's pretty easy to imagine.
Why is that? I think its a better starting 5 IMO lets see Big John over TB/Ham I say John wins now Horton over X I say Horton because of shooting and playmaking skills can't be any worse so Jeffress in for Trey I say Jeffress better overall not sure about on D so with the 3 new players in I see a better team! IMO
Too young, not talented enough, no PG. They would be underdogs in all 20. Would scrape out 3 wins like 18-19
That's all you got please. Jeffress in for Trey ok Trey was terrible this year how can Jeffress do any worse so that's a terrible assessment and Big John in forTB or ham both are terrible how can you do worse even as freshman. Come on Mr. I know it all if you can't see that you know nothing and you probably never played and if someone let on the team I bet your were a bum!
Now why would I know you wouldn't go against him. Lol 2 guys who I know is young and think they know it all. SMH
I think it’s silly to assume a 17 year old freshman will automatically out produce what Trey would as a junior.
I thought that was a given, but apparently I’m just young and dumb. I may be dumb.... but unfortunately not young.
Absolutely on point , people expecting these guys to make the leap from high school to college ball without the guidance of upperclassmen without hiccups are being unrealistic . Not one guy coming in here was a can’t miss recruit so expecting more out of them was a mistake . Part of the problem is that I think both X and Trey bought into all the hoopla and this season just didn’t go as they imagined .
Easy solution for both , stay work your ass off on your shooting and practice daily with your teammates with the purpose of making them better .All running away to another program is going to do is find them seeing much less PT unless they go down to a lower level of ball .
Trey's 1st yr was ok but he got worst this yr and nothing he need got better his decision-making nor his shooting so it may be silly to think he's going to be better this year if you haven't worked on anything to get better the last 2 year's. Could it be he may have hit his level already we don't know but it silly to think that because someone is younger that they're not better that's not smart thinking.
If you're older and think you know everything that's even worse because you're stuck thinking you know everything meaning you're learning is over and you are at your highest level that's pathetic and sad for you.
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You are stuck with backup QB syndrome. There is literally no reason to think Jeffress, Hugley, or anyone else will come in and outproduce what our team would look like next year.
So you don’t think Capel would bring in a Juco or Grad Transfer PG if XJ and Trey left?
No that makes too much sense. Jeffress, a 17 year old ranked around 60th in the class, will be much better than a 20 year old Trey, who was ranked around 80.
Jeffress isn’t Lebron.
Yes he would and they also wouldn't be very good. Pitt would the unaminous pick to finish last in the ACC. No quality transfer is coming in for that.
Since when does a player have to be LJ to play better than Trey? Really..
You just have to be avg to good player to out do what he did this. Guys this is not rocket scientist stuff you seen how the boy played you don't have to be that good to be better.
You just have to be avg to good player to out do what he did this. Guys this is not rocket scientist stuff you seen how the boy played you don't have to be that good to be better.
I played basketball all my life through HS and was an average WPIAL player. I know enough to know if you dont have a PG and you start 2 FR (even though they are Top 100), 2 sophomores, and a junior who hasn't done a ton in his first 2 years, you aren't going to win many games. I say 3-17. Can they go 6-14? Sure, I wouldn't be shocked by that but that proposed lineup would be a total reset of the timeline and Capel Year 3 would basically again be Capel Year 1.
It would be:
Year 3: win 3-6 ACC games
Year 4: push for the NIT but probably not make it
Year 5: NIT
Year 6: NCAAT
Well what you seem to continue to overlook is that Trey could possibly improve. They could use another guard or maybe 2. There’s no question. But Junior Trey could be far better than soph Trey. Especially if they can get some front line help and someone who can drain 3s somewhat consistently.
I'm not over looking it because it could happen but no one is looking at is it could be the same ole same ole like the 2nd half of his 1st yr and this yr so there is that BIG question.
Jeffress could come in a be a star and if he comes in and give Justin production he's better than Trey it doesn't take a lot.
Jeffress could come in a be a star and if he comes in and give Justin production he's better than Trey it doesn't take a lot.
HES SEVENTEEN. HES NOT GOING TO GO INTO ANY HIGH MAJOR AND BE A STAR! He’s ranked ~ 60. Can we please stop talking about a SOON TO BE 17 year old like this? You guys are setting him up for failure
I said by yr 4 I'm expecting a bid but definitely and yr 5 IMO. So if we had that line up and went 6-14 I think by yr 4 because of the comment that will be there we would have advance all with in the 5 yr rebuild.
Yes he will be 17 with a very mature looking game. I'm not setting him up for failure I'm just saying from what I seen from Trey the last 2 years it doesn't take that much to be better right now if Trey makes a big jump this year and there's no indication that it will or won't happen then it could be another story but as of now there style of game is different so I'm not comparing them as shooting guards I'm just saying his game looks like a better fit then Trey's.
Lol. I wonder how Trey’s game this year would look vs. D10 competition...
I know freshmen can and do step in and make a difference, but I am floored by the number of people who are willing to write off a guy with 40+ games of solid ACC starting experience (not to mention another 20+ non-conference games) and not consider that he might make a big jump. He’s not Terrell Brown. Trey has had big scoring games against ACC teams. The potential is there. The consistency and mental maturation just needs to follow. I am still bullish on X and Trey.
I would rather have him as a much improved player but that wasn't the question. I was agreeing with a line up that was put up and merely stating that at this point it can basically be better than the one that we have if the players being replaced were not improved that much or left.
So what has to happen for X and Trey to improve .
1) both need to their mid range and perimeter shooting to improve
2) They need an inside presence that can catch and score down low or kick it back out to a shooter
3) They need a guy who they respect to shoot and score and from what it sounds like Pitt will have one in Horton
4) They need to respect that JC and Toney can score
5) They both need to realize that they alone don’t need to carry the load
6) They both need to realize you only win as a team
All these things are doable !
I’d doubt that any freshman whose not a one and done type talent could come in and outplay Trey , if he plays under control and improves his shooting a little .
Those of you who despised JRob would welcome a PG like him next yr . A guy who plays under control and makes his teammates better and runs his coaches offense . There’s no denying X’s abilities , but he needs reined in or moved to off guard .
1) both need to their mid range and perimeter shooting to improve
2) They need an inside presence that can catch and score down low or kick it back out to a shooter
3) They need a guy who they respect to shoot and score and from what it sounds like Pitt will have one in Horton
4) They need to respect that JC and Toney can score
5) They both need to realize that they alone don’t need to carry the load
6) They both need to realize you only win as a team
All these things are doable !
I’d doubt that any freshman whose not a one and done type talent could come in and outplay Trey , if he plays under control and improves his shooting a little .
Those of you who despised JRob would welcome a PG like him next yr . A guy who plays under control and makes his teammates better and runs his coaches offense . There’s no denying X’s abilities , but he needs reined in or moved to off guard .
The only way we make it in Year 4 is if Johnson, Mcgowens, and Toney are seniors and have made big improvements, Champagnie is still here, and Hugley develops into a viable Big. There is almost a 0% chance that all those guys will still be here by then
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