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Which Stadium Would You Prefer?

Which Stadium Would You Prefer?

  • 45k Seat Stadium With No Frills on Campus

    Votes: 92 65.2%
  • Heinz Field

    Votes: 49 34.8%

  • Total voters
    141
Before tarping they should try not selling the upper north end zone seats at all. Close them off game day and don’t open any concessions or bathrooms there. That would force the couple hundred fans up there closer to the rest of the crowd. Then for PSU or ND just sell those for individual tickets.
 
never understood the "Food" angle for games. Like people go to a game to eat, it's extremely weird to me. going to a game hungry, with the intention of trying out different cuisines, at an nfl, nba, mlb, college football game is flat out non sensical.

now I've eaten at games, don't get me wrong. I've gotten a hot dog, pretzel, nachos, all the crap that they sell under a heat lamp but I've never gone with the intention of looking forward to this, as some sort of treat to myself. it's meat under a heat lamp in foil.

even something like quaker steak wings or a primanti sandwich is never even close to being as good as it is in a restaurant.. i tried a dodger dog, it was a hot dog.. I've eaten a Chicago style hot dog at Wrigley, guess what was 10xs better? A Chicago hot dog at the 20 bars or restaurants outside of Wrigley, actually made in a real kitchen and served to me fresh and not kept warm under a hot lightbulb..
A sad number really do seem to go to games exclusively to eat in "the club" to get ham off the bone served by some bored usher who drew the short straw and had to put on the white coat and paper chef hat. Whatever floats one's boat though.
 
A loud drunk who proudly doesn’t donate, doesn’t pay for tickets - and only rarely goes if someone gives him free tickets-

Yeah- I’ll state his opinions don’t matter.
ok, fair enough. Honestly, the more i think about it, the more i am accepting Heinz and im starting to relax a tiny bit on my anti - tarp agenda too.. yeah, 25k empty yellow seats suck but a lot to do in north shore area..

I've always realized a stadium in Oakland is fantasy, tired of talking about it. we are gonna bring up mythical dreams, we might as well talk about getting a QB who is good..
 
im cool if you tarp the endzone upper section, the bleacher seats but that still doesn't do much. you guys want to tarp the upper sideline sections too? LIke from the end to the 25yard line? That would be an eyesore.

Surely you guys don't want to upper deck the whole upper section. We do that we might as well shut it down and go play in the MEAC at Rooney field.. I say this with all sincerity too..
 
ok, fair enough. Honestly, the more i think about it, the more i am accepting Heinz and im starting to relax a tiny bit on my anti - tarp agenda too.. yeah, 25k empty yellow seats suck but a lot to do in north shore area..

Pitt fans talk about tarps and "right sized" stadiums because PSU fans talk about attendance.
 
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never understood the "Food" angle for games. Like people go to a game to eat, it's extremely weird to me. going to a game hungry, with the intention of trying out different cuisines, at an nfl, nba, mlb, college football game is flat out non sensical.

now I've eaten at games, don't get me wrong. I've gotten a hot dog, pretzel, nachos, all the crap that they sell under a heat lamp but I've never gone with the intention of looking forward to this, as some sort of treat to myself. it's meat under a heat lamp in foil.

even something like quaker steak wings or a primanti sandwich is never even close to being as good as it is in a restaurant.. i tried a dodger dog, it was a hot dog.. I've eaten a Chicago style hot dog at Wrigley, guess what was 10xs better? A Chicago hot dog at the 20 bars or restaurants outside of Wrigley, actually made in a real kitchen and served to me fresh and not kept warm under a hot lightbulb..
I generally don't want to eat in a stadium, it's expensive and generally crap, and I find it an uncomfortable environment to eat in,
 
Fun hypothetical. Not sure who "prefers" Heinz but I don't hear any arguments as to why Heinz is so wonderful so I assume those answers were just trolls taking the bait.
our older fanbase like it because it is extremely convenient. I lived in Mt. Lebo and i kid you not, there were times when my buddy would call and say "Get down here" and i told him, i'll be there, beer in hand in 15 minutes. i left door, drove down banksville and was there, in lot, beer cracked, in under 15 minutes. That's from a suburb to beer in hand, in under 15 minutes..

a lot of gates, get on 28, parkway west, north (whatever the hell road that is) all within 1/4 mile of Heinz. parking is still decent, even if they are taking away our tailgating lots and putting up garages.. oh and it's cheap for pitt. easy to walk around in, get in your seats, wide concourse areas..

After game, you can be in car and on your couch in 30 minutes, which is a big selling point for a lot of pitt fans.. Im not a fan but i do recognize it's perks..
 
I generally don't want to eat in a stadium, it's expensive and generally crap, and I find it an uncomfortable environment to eat in,
exactly. i'll grab the kids a burger or cheese sticks at a place before game for 7 - 8 bucks. of course they still want a $6 pepsi inside the stadium but kids are kids. i'll take "bar" food over any kind of stadium garbage any day. it's better and 1/3rd of the price..
 
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ok, fair enough. Honestly, the more i think about it, the more i am accepting Heinz and im starting to relax a tiny bit on my anti - tarp agenda too.. yeah, 25k empty yellow seats suck but a lot to do in north shore area..

I've always realized a stadium in Oakland is fantasy, tired of talking about it. we are gonna bring up mythical dreams, we might as well talk about getting a QB who is good..
This and the other distraction threads are brought up PRECISELY because we don't have a QB who is good... and thus no hope for a good season.

You are one of the few remaining Pitt 'hard core' fans, you make the effort to come to the board. But the reality is that the QB stinks, ther coach knew in December that he'd stink and did nothing about it, we just lost one of many to come and we have grave doubts we can beat Ohio. Admittedly there have been many legit football threads but bottom line the people who can actually do something about all the problems with the team couldn't give a flying flunk and have no intention to change anything.

So what is more interesting for a poster to talk about? Stadium fantasies and Sweet Caroline. And Comcast of course.
 
A loud drunk who proudly doesn’t donate, doesn’t pay for tickets - and only rarely goes if someone gives him free tickets-

Yeah- I’ll state his opinions don’t matter.

Funny that so many who make comments here about not supporting freeloaders getting education, healthcare or basic food on their dime. Then many of the same posters bitch about a football program they don’t pay a dime towards. Then they advocate for student fees to subsidize it, criticize Pitt for not spending enough, and expect a billionaire to build them a new stadium, all to better their recreational experience.
 
This and the other distraction threads are brought up PRECISELY because we don't have a QB who is good... and thus no hope for a good season.

You are one of the few remaining Pitt 'hard core' fans, you make the effort to come to the board. But the reality is that the QB stinks, ther coach knew in December that he'd stink and did nothing about it, we just lost one of many to come and we have grave doubts we can beat Ohio. Admittedly there have been many legit football threads but bottom line the people who can actually do something about all the problems with the team couldn't give a flying flunk and have no intention to change anything.

So what is more interesting for a poster to talk about? Stadium fantasies and Sweet Caroline. And Comcast of course.
i don't think our OC or HC knew that pickett stunk. if they did, they wouldn't have anointed him starter in the spring before they even were allowed to put on a helmet..

The timing of that really bothered me and i brought it up and the whole board including chris shouted me down.
 
Funny that so many who make comments here about not supporting freeloaders getting education, healthcare or basic food on their dime. Then many of the same posters bitch about a football program they don’t pay a dime towards. Then they advocate for student fees to subsidize it, criticize Pitt for not spending enough, and expect a billionaire to build them a new stadium, all to better their recreational experience.
i was gonna go there and bring that up but i didn't want to involve politics in a good old fashioned football thread. Leaving souf's hypocrisy aside, i will admit i am anti-socialism unless it's sports, then i love me some shared revenue and salary caps.
 
Fun hypothetical. Not sure who "prefers" Heinz but I don't hear any arguments as to why Heinz is so wonderful so I assume those answers were just trolls taking the bait.

Heinz sucks generally. It’s a painful start just getting in the friggin place.

I used to go to a fair number of Steeler away games and I liked every other stadium more. Even the old dump the Chargers used to play in was better.
 
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i don't think our OC or HC knew that pickett stunk. if they did, they wouldn't have anointed him starter in the spring before they even were allowed to put on a helmet..

The timing of that really bothered me and i brought it up and the whole board including chris shouted me down.
Spring? Hell. It was ordained in Dec. Even as national fans were still laughing about the Clemson game. That's not hyperbole. Does anyone not remember that the announcers really WERE laughing?
 
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Heinz sucks generally. It’s a painful start just getting in the friggin place.

I used to go to a fair number of Steeler away games and I liked every other stadium more. Even the old dump the Chargers used to play in was better.

I don't disagree. But when you work over a large tax base that doesn't want to build anything, you take what you can get.
 
Spring? Hell. It was ordained in Dec. Even as national fans were still laughing about the Clemson game. That's not hyperbole. Does anyone not remember that the announcers really WERE laughing?
yes, we remember, no need to refresh our memories. it's still there, in my brain, not going anywhere for a long time.
 
Funny that so many who make comments here about not supporting freeloaders getting education, healthcare or basic food on their dime. Then many of the same posters bitch about a football program they don’t pay a dime towards. Then they advocate for student fees to subsidize it, criticize Pitt for not spending enough, and expect a billionaire to build them a new stadium, all to better their recreational experience.
Not me. I advocate for willing deep pocket playboy boosters to pay under the table for better players and laundered supplements to attract better coaches, so the school itself doesn't have to. Not because I'm blind to the lack of ethics about it. Because THIS IS THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THE SPORT.
 
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Heinz sucks generally. It’s a painful start just getting in the friggin place.

I used to go to a fair number of Steeler away games and I liked every other stadium more. Even the old dump the Chargers used to play in was better.
Really? Listen, im the last person to defend Heinz. but logistically speaking, i think it's quite easy to get into, from the south hills at least. west end, get off and wrap around the science center and voila. Cant imagine coming in from parkway east is bad, outside of the squirrel hill tunnels but that's always the case, damn people slowing dahn and all. MAINTAIN SPEED THRU TUNNELS..

north too, got a ton of exits. but hey, im no expert..
 
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ok, fair enough. Honestly, the more i think about it, the more i am accepting Heinz and im starting to relax a tiny bit on my anti - tarp agenda too.. yeah, 25k empty yellow seats suck but a lot to do in north shore area..

I've always realized a stadium in Oakland is fantasy, tired of talking about it. we are gonna bring up mythical dreams, we might as well talk about getting a QB who is good..
Nobody showed up in Oakland, either.

Playing in a stadium 3.5 miles from the cathedral isn’t the problem
 
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Really? Listen, im the last person to defend Heinz. but logistically speaking, i think it's quite easy to get into, from the south hills at least. west end, get off and wrap around the science center and voila. Cant imagine coming in from parkway east is bad, outside of the squirrel hill tunnels but that's always the case, damn people slowing dahn and all. MAINTAIN SPEED THRU TUNNELS..

north too, got a ton of exits. but hey, im no expert..
I get from the east end to my parking in red 6 in literally 20 minutes door to door.

Takes me much longer to park and walk into the Pete.
 
Really? Listen, im the last person to defend Heinz. but logistically speaking, i think it's quite easy to get into, from the south hills at least. west end, get off and wrap around the science center and voila. Cant imagine coming in from parkway east is bad, outside of the squirrel hill tunnels but that's always the case, damn people slowing dahn and all. MAINTAIN SPEED THRU TUNNELS..

north too, got a ton of exits. but hey, im no expert..

Getting to the stadium is fine. That’s not what I was talking about.

Getting IN the stadium sucks.
 
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i was gonna go there and bring that up but i didn't want to involve politics in a good old fashioned football thread. Leaving souf's hypocrisy aside, i will admit i am anti-socialism unless it's sports, then i love me some shared revenue and salary caps.

I am not advocating either side of the political issue. Just saying be consistent. Buffethead takes abuse for his bootstrap political stuff but at least he bucks up to supports the program he follows (or so he says.)

Not me. I advocate for willing deep pocket playboy boosters to pay under the table for better players and laundered supplements to attract better coaches, so the school itself doesn't have to. Not because I'm blind to the lack of ethics about it. Because THIS IS THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THE SPORT.

That’s great but if you aren’t donating at least your modest share, then it is still hypocritical to expect someone else to donate to improve the quality of your leisure.
 
Really? Listen, im the last person to defend Heinz. but logistically speaking, i think it's quite easy to get into, from the south hills at least. west end, get off and wrap around the science center and voila. Cant imagine coming in from parkway east is bad, outside of the squirrel hill tunnels but that's always the case, damn people slowing dahn and all. MAINTAIN SPEED THRU TUNNELS..

north too, got a ton of exits. but hey, im no expert..
Heinz is a dream (comparatively speaking) to access and egress compared to Oakland. Especially for northerners. I see the nostalgia factor for having an Oakland venue but literally no other practical or amenity benefit. Even the good ole college bars most of us might have frequented are gone. Are people yearning to go to Oakland for a game to hit LuLu's Noodles or Legume after? Actually considering some of the other views expressed by some of these cats here, maybe so...
 
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Nobody showed up in Oakland, either.

Playing in a stadium 3.5 miles from the cathedral isn’t the problem
i never disagreed with this. attendance numbers are better at Heinz. we build a brand new stadium in Oakland, in a parallel universe where we find 600 million, land, an extension from 376 into the parking lots, some cool college bars open up around Oakland (like a Zelda's with open roof) i still don't think we get more than 40-45k and that's if all this impossibilities happen.. I think we'd lose a lot of "old heads" and i think it'd be evened out by more younger fans going. not even students but mid 20's types in the eastern part of the city.

I do think it'd be a thousand times better atmosphere but again, fantasy land stuff so why even talk about it..
 
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Getting to the stadium is fine. That’s not what I was talking about.

Getting IN the stadium sucks.
my bad. well, cant disagree there. kind of a bottle neck situation for sure. not even in security gates but the damn fences outside that are there for no apparent reason, other than to obstruct you..

That and the 17 year old kid in the yellow windbreaker, giving me a 30 second reach-around when i walk in
 
Heinz is a dream (comparatively speaking) to access and egress compared to Oakland. Especially for northerners. I see the nostalgia factor for having an Oakland venue but literally no other practical or amenity benefit. Even the good ole college bars most of us might have frequented are gone. Are people yearning to go to Oakland for a game to hit LuLu's Noodles or Legume after? Actually considering some of the other views expressed by some of these cats here, maybe so...
plenty of options in Oakland still. Zeldas, Calicos, The Sod, Peters, , the decade.. Also, i heard a rumor that the beehive is getting a liquor license.

oh wait, it's not 1994 anymore, my bad. well maybe no bars but upmc is building a really tall hospital and those chain hotels, they are fantastic..
 
I am not advocating either side of the political issue. Just saying be consistent. Buffethead takes abuse for his bootstrap political stuff but at least he bucks up to supports the program he follows (or so he says.)



That’s great but if you aren’t donating at least your modest share, then it is still hypocritical to expect someone else to donate to improve the quality of your leisure.
I donate and buy tickets and attend most games. What the heck else can be expected? Message board jabronies aren't the problem, or solution. I'm talking the real drivers of college sports success, where the money they drop is like getting guac on the burrito at Chipotle for the rest of us.

We had it, they're still there, income inequality definitely IS a thing. But the geeks hate it and insanely have cut us off from it while still keeping a program. It should have been one or the other, it can't be both. Chicago had it right in the 30s. We didn't.
 
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This thread is so Lair. It's week #2 and this is what we're doing?
what else do you want us to do? bash Pickett? CHeck.
Feel sorry for ourselves losing 2 DL for the season? Check.
bitch about our DB blitzing and being untouched for a sack on perkins only to whiff and he goes for 20 yards? Check.
Complain about our DBs being in chase mode and having their backs turned on "up for grab" passes? Check.
Complaining about our grad transfer tackle not being a P5 tackle? Check..

We covered everything else.
 
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Heinz something about playing in a NFL stadium.
Tarp just the North End Zone.

But I have a question.

If the stadium was in Oakland would it attract the a "walk in" / "bus in" neighborhood crowd in addition to drive ins, students, and others.

If yes is the "walk in" fan potential small or large.

Thanks don't know the neighborhood.
 
Most of us expect to lose to Ohio. Let that sink in a moment. Is that more fun to discuss?
do you expect to lose? Man, i cant go that far. honestly, if i had to bet all my money, i'd put it on pitt. i'd be up all night but i still think pitt wins. If i was setting the line, i'd say pitt -4.

But your point remains, what should be a game where we have a distinct advantage, it's close to being a coin toss. and if this game was away, i could possibly expect us to lose. so yeah, your post is spot on and that is depressing..
 
Heinz something about playing in a NFL stadium.
Tarp just the North End Zone.

But I have a question.

If the stadium was in Oakland would it attract the a "walk in" / "bus in" neighborhood crowd in addition to drive ins, students, and others.

If yes is the "walk in" fan potential small or large.

Thanks don't know the neighborhood.
great question. i don't know squat, im a south hills guy that doesn't like to leave my cul de sac but i think, and this is a guess, i think an Oakland venue could attract a lot of fair weather, walk up crowds in the eastern suburbs.

Obviously more appealing to students on campus, shadyside, squirrel hill, e. liberty etc. now is there a large population in those neighborhoods that would offset the people from the south and west who are attending games in north shore but wouldn't drive into Oakland? Not sure..
 
The simplest solution is to just tarp the upper deck opposite the camera. Bring the capacity down to about 50k or so. Then focus the TV cameras on the side that is filled to capacity.

The ideal solution is a nice 45k seat multipurpose facility on the OC Lot.
Why bother to tarp the upper deck, just play all home games at night. Yeah I know that’s not possible but I did notice when at the game last week, from my seat in Section 137 lower level home side, looking across to the opposite side upper deck, it was so dark you couldn’t tell how full or empty it was. You could see the end zone upper deck but not the sideline upper deck.

And BethJohn is right, doesn’t matter Heinz Field or on-campus stadium, we’ll still have the same attendance. Our core group of attendees won’t change and an on-campus stadium won’t bring in any significant new attendees.
 
Why bother to tarp the upper deck, just play all home games at night. Yeah I know that’s not possible but I did notice when at the game last week, from my seat in Section 137 lower level home side, looking across to the opposite side upper deck, it was so dark you couldn’t tell how full or empty it was. You could see the end zone upper deck but not the sideline upper deck.

And BethJohn is right, doesn’t matter Heinz Field or on-campus stadium, we’ll still have the same attendance. Our core group of attendees won’t change and an on-campus stadium won’t bring in any significant new attendees.
People like the upper deck cost effective seats, good view of the field and action.

If the entire upper deck was tarped available ticket prices would chase some fans away.

The North End Zone is worthless and looks bad empty so that should be tarped.
 
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exactly. i'll grab the kids a burger or cheese sticks at a place before game for 7 - 8 bucks. of course they still want a $6 pepsi inside the stadium but kids are kids. i'll take "bar" food over any kind of stadium garbage any day. it's better and 1/3rd of the price..
The only time I choose to buy food in any stadium is if I bring my daughter, she will always want the greasy chicken tenders, and I might eat one of them and she'll eat the other 4-5.
 
I donate and buy tickets and attend most games. What the heck else can be expected? Message board jabronies aren't the problem, or solution. I'm talking the real drivers of college sports success, where the money they drop is like getting guac on the burrito at Chipotle for the rest of us.

We had it, they're still there, income inequality definitely IS a thing. But the geeks hate it and insanely have cut us off from it while still keeping a program. It should have been one or the other, it can't be both. Chicago had it right in the 30s. We didn't.

Your second paragraph is spot on and it was always why I advocated Pitt drop D1 sports. They either need to commit 100% and she’ll out big bucks and cheat or they should just get out of the game.
 
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