I would say one isn't a bad option but if that happens they should eliminate the dukes and wake forest and Kansas ST from that list get down to 16 or so teams at similar levels to Pitt it would make the most sense financially.
Which would you choose?
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It's almost a guarantee when it splinters they won't be taking the lower level teams like vandy with them. It will become a semi pro league. Now maybe if the revenue is split evenly Pitt could play in that league. But a good chance we wouldn't make the cut then when it becomes 32 to 40 power schools with a setup similar to the NFL.
All true but the nil money hasn't really started to kick in yet. It's just starting and it's likely to make the playing field even more unlevel. Pitts not going to beat teams spending 30 mil a year on nil when we're spending 5.
I wouldn't really mind a minor league conference with WV VT UCONN BC Cuse Louisville Cincy and a couple more. Round robin schedule and home and away bball.
I don't think it does unless they are just going to eliminate all competition. The schools added after 20 would be solid schools like wvu,Pitt,bc,ok st, az, AZ st etc but none of them are making the big 10 or sec more money than they are making now.they aren't adding 100 million in revenue only schools not in now that add that are likely Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, Clemson and FSU maybe Miami and NC. But UCLA didn't add that either so who knows. If they both stop at 20 that means there are going to be a few big fish left and lots of medium ones. Those 16 or so schools could eventually be a thorn in the big 2 side. Of course they can always kill them off later.
Yeah I don't know why the sec would pick wvu before Pitt when the b12 and acc both had us higher. If anything wvus status has dropped significantly since that time and ours has went up
Not so sure I think this team is going to be pretty damn good this year. If the QB play is close it might even be better than last year's team. Now going forward I agree because nil money is going to make the field very lopsided. Not just for losing existing players but for getting good recruits. But we are going to see that soon in the acc with Miami throwing money around
3 probable outcomes. B1G/SEC limits their expansion and the ACC is a viable #3.
Or
Both the SEC/B1G try to out flank each other. Eventually, Pitt could lock up the Midwest and NE for the B1G or serve as an in for the SEC.
No of these options are terrible for Pitt and I think you are right about the leagues growing too big.
TV
The ACC as a viable #3?
Not with the TV deal in place, the best teams leaving and a proactive Big 12.
Pitt? Lock up the midwest and NE for the Big 10?
Huh?
The big 10 owns the midwest. Should they get notre dame (and they will), they now have the NE locked up.
The ACC....post gutting, will not be a place Pitt should stay in. The SEC will not spend 5 minutes looking at Pitt.
And this doesnt even consider the very real possibility that some schools....including schools in the ACC may just throw in the towel and play at a lower level.
Pitt's best course of action right now.....IF they are intent on staying relevant, is to push for entrance to the Big 12. Not just because it is the best case scenario going forward, but also because it kinda makes sense.
It is not perfect, but it may save Pitt playing big time football.
Thats how terrible our options are.
I don’t understand why the Big Ten would need Pitt to lock up the Midwest? Who is coming to take it from them?
I’d sigh hard and go #3. We don’t add much for the Big but I can pretty easily envision this thing exploding beyond 20 teams. I can see it because 20 seems like an arbitrarily round number, folks get paranoid (UCLA is not Oklahoma, they’re Maryland), Notre Dame will be more comfortable with us joining, and folks get greedy (Amazon $ crashing Fox/ESPN’s party).
I do think we could eventually hold our own in #3. I know Pitt athletics is fond of shooting itself in both feet regularly. I also know this region loves football & it will financially back a winner. Give them a reason to wheelbarrow in the NIL by winning at the requisite level and we’ll have no problem clearing the Purdue’s, Minnesota’s, and Illinois’. Stated in another way, what does Iowa’s fate in the NIL future forecast that ours wouldn’t?
I do think we could eventually hold our own in #3. I know Pitt athletics is fond of shooting itself in both feet regularly. I also know this region loves football & it will financially back a winner. Give them a reason to wheelbarrow in the NIL by winning at the requisite level and we’ll have no problem clearing the Purdue’s, Minnesota’s, and Illinois’. Stated in another way, what does Iowa’s fate in the NIL future forecast that ours wouldn’t?
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The Nit’s will blackball Pitt in the Big10.
I can’t imagine in any scenario where Pitt will get a look from the SEC.
ACC is our saving grace, and Phillips better have a plan “B” ready when 3-4 teams jump ship.
I also can’t wrap my head around a conference with west coast teams, either.
Really curious to see how this plays out.
I can’t imagine in any scenario where Pitt will get a look from the SEC.
ACC is our saving grace, and Phillips better have a plan “B” ready when 3-4 teams jump ship.
I also can’t wrap my head around a conference with west coast teams, either.
Really curious to see how this plays out.
I’m pretty sure the poster simply meant keep the SEC out of that region. Other than Notre Dame, Pitt is the biggest brand in the region not already in the B1G.
You may be right about his implication,
But it locks up nothing. The SEC is a kingmaker. If they want a team in the NE that will happen
And his implication does nothing to get Pitt in the Big10.
I will say this again. Pitt is in a horrible spot. Clinging to an ACC sans Clemson FSU, UNC and Miami is a return to Big East-like football.
Only this time around the new league is guaranteed nothing but 2nd rate status.
Pitt fans can complain about me all they wish.....but i want whats best for Pitt football
And seeing no Big 10 invite coming, the only play is to get into a revised and solid Big 12.
Its the only move pitt will have IF staying relevant is the end goal.
You'll be dead or in a wheel chair when 3-4 teams jump ship. Looking at 12-13 years.
He isn’t totally off base…getting old!
Also I hope your are right about the ACC staying in one piece.
It was pretty much shared on the WVU boards that WVU had the votes for the SEC until some consulting group/network jumped in and said Missouri has more TV sets. It's the same way we got into the Big 12 when, if you remember, Louisville, was the frontrunner until someone jumped in and noted our pull with ratings and we then got in over them.
So basically you believe the SEC was about to invite WVU and at the last minute someone said, "hey, maybe we should do some sort of analysis of the hoopies?"
This is the dumbest thing posted here not typed by SMF.
I disagree. I don’t think they would vote on adding any more schools, until a feasibility study confirmed there would be additional money for all.
I don’t think they would waste one minute voting on a popularity contest that means nothing.
Why pay for the study if there is no interest in the first place. That’s wasting money. You take a vote to determine interest first.
I didn't say they took a formal vote. But the word was that they had the "votes" but after some analysis went with the TV set stuff.
Revenue models have changed a lot since then. Back then it was all about cable subscribers but now it all about viewership. Back in 2010s the Big likely would have taken USC and Washington because the B1G network would have dictated that it is better to add in state homes rather then followers. While Rutgers was more attractive back then then Pitt today the opposite would be true.
