Who was a worse pick. Capel
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Capel. 100%
with these results in year 4, looking back I would have rather given stalling 2 more seasons to see what he could’ve done and developed. Especially with the new transfer portal rules
with these results in year 4, looking back I would have rather given stalling 2 more seasons to see what he could’ve done and developed. Especially with the new transfer portal rules
I think capel. Stallings 4th year would be better than this garbage.
IMHO it would have been a wash. No one can recruit coming off a single digit win, 20 loss season. You no longer have a better future to sell recruits.
Once you are at that point it is over—-Next man up!
Once you are at that point it is over—-Next man up!
Stallings had a much more difficult task. No fan support whatsoever, the AD who hired him skipped town, and he followed the most winning coach in program history.
At the time of the hire, Capel was by far the better selection, nearly universal approval. The Stalling's hire was horrible from the get go, he was about to be fired at Vandy, and was only hired because of shenanigans.
All true, but who turned out the worst? I was in the anti-stallings mob on the board, (sad but true to say,) but if I were hiring today and it came down to Capel or Stallings, I would not even think about it, Stallings would get the call.
We're looking a single digit win total again this year with 0 ACC wins and 20+ losses. It's a distinct possibility. In year 4 of Capel's fiasco.
FWIW, if none of the off court stuff happens last year this program is going in an entirely different direction. Capel was close to turning this around. The wheels just came off.
That’s awfully big “what if”. It still isn’t going to help his lack of coaching skills and selection of assistant coaches.
I don't disagree with anything you said. It is a big "what if".. I just think a lot of what we're seeing isn't occurring if the drama and arrests don't happen. I believe the players he's had were good enough to make a tournament team.
We were popping up in some First Four Out after beating Duke last year. Also in Year 2, at 6-7 in the ACC, we were in some Last Four In/First Four Out. But 2 complete collapses combined with mass transfers and a horrible 2021 recruiting class + no 2022 recruiting class means its time
The recruiting, or lack of it, concerns me the most. Capel was supposed to be this great recruiter who would build this team and program with top notch recruiting. So far, nothing. And nothing on the horizon. Even when he gets a guy who might...MIGHT be an impact player, the kid bails on him.
I would expect from the rep he got before coming here, that he would be routinely getting top 50 and top 25 guys after a year or 2. He barely gets top 200 guys, if that.
I would expect from the rep he got before coming here, that he would be routinely getting top 50 and top 25 guys after a year or 2. He barely gets top 200 guys, if that.
Yeah, and if the Titanic misses the Iceberg it would have been a lovely trip....
Seems to me that it should only take one, maybe two recruiting cycles to figure out you can’t land top 50 to Pitt. Not sure why at year four he hasn’t adjusted his targets…wait, we have no targets…
If I were hiring today and it came down to Capel or Stallings I'd get a gun and end it.
The only question would be which of the two I shot first.
Ok now that's funny.
I'll say this. If I was, say, Morehead State, or some mid-major and I had those 2 choices, I'd pick Stallings. He is the better X and O coach and Capel's lack of recruiting at Pitt would scare me.
The battle is neck and neck, so I have to give Stallings the edge due to familial ties. He's brought us one of the better catchers in the game, whereas Capel has brought us... well, what does his brother do again?
Will the choice change if the Pirates trade Jacob in the next couple of days?
Stallings also started with a team with 2 guys who made the NBA, and 3 others who had started plenty of games, and that team went 4-14 in the ACC. Capel started with nothing.
Having said this, both of the coaching tenures have been failures.
Stallings inherited a team that returned 6 of its top 7 players, and had gone to the NCAA tournament. Chapel inherited a team that was 0-19 in the ACC. Which of those scenarios is worse?
Okay. I don't really think of Stallings' tenure beginning until year two sometimes, because those guys were marching to their own drum and not going to listen to him. But fair enough. I still believe we would have shown incremental improvement under Stallings, whereas Capel has been mostly substance-lacking platitudes.
Stallings was a decent PG and Center away from an NCAAT team. I know a lot of teams could probably say that but he needed to find a way to land one but probably misevaluated Kithcart (who he recruited while at Vandy) just like everyone else. Also, as lowly recruited as Chukwuka was, if he could have found someone like that a year earlier, someone who could defend and rebound a little, that would have helped tremendously so that Young wouldn't have had to play the 5.
I get your point, but this is year four, with tons of support from the media and the university, etc. Bring in one good player a year, retain him, and you beat the UMBC, or whatever the call letters are, in year four. Year five does not look much better in terms of ACC play.
I am not defending Capel in year 4, just saying that he inherited a far worse situation than Stallings did. And for those who say Stallings would have done better if given 4 years - pure speculation. There is just no way to predict what he would have done.
He had a center. Young played mostly the five for Dixon too.
Young almost never played the 5 for Dixon. Maybe a few minutes as a backup. His last year, they played platooned Maia, Nelson-Ododa, and Luther at the 5.
Had Stallings even landed a 5 as "good" as Maia and some halfway decent PG, that should have been an NCAAT team
IMHO, Stallings needed to have somehow found a servicable point guard for year #1 and instead of 16-17 they likely would have won several more games and at least made the postseason. That would have set the table for better immediate recruiting results and a single digit wins, 20+ losses would not have happened in year two.
Once that happened in year two, even if Stallings had not been fired, he was done. No coach produces that kind of a season, except possibly in year #1 of his tenure, without it resulting in him never being able to recruit at a high enough level to that school to ever succeed there again.
IMHO, that is where Capel is now. Barring some miracle where he somehow brings in 3 or more truly high-level quality transfers for next season while keeping the best of what he now has he will never succeed at Pitt. Quality recruits will avoid Pitt now given the W-L result and all the ugly off court and transfer out history will be successfully used by other schools against Capel in recruiting.
Once that happened in year two, even if Stallings had not been fired, he was done. No coach produces that kind of a season, except possibly in year #1 of his tenure, without it resulting in him never being able to recruit at a high enough level to that school to ever succeed there again.
IMHO, that is where Capel is now. Barring some miracle where he somehow brings in 3 or more truly high-level quality transfers for next season while keeping the best of what he now has he will never succeed at Pitt. Quality recruits will avoid Pitt now given the W-L result and all the ugly off court and transfer out history will be successfully used by other schools against Capel in recruiting.
I forgot about Young's sophomore season when we didn't have a Center. We tried everything to get one but couldn't. Ended up with Derrick Randall, Joseph Uchebo, and Aron Nwankwo had to play there. Due to their low level of play, Young did play more 5 than 4 his sophomore year and that was one reason the team sucked. The next year, he played very little 5 because we platooned Maia, ANO, and Luther.
Its not a coincidence that the 2 times Young missed the NCAAT were the 2 years he played the 5.
We went. To a special panther club scrimmage stallings first year .,stallings told us “ we haven’t worked on the in bounds pass” the first game was days away . My wife who played at Pitt was shocked . What was shocking was the lack of effort shown in the scrimmage .
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