Strange how Rooney gave Cowher the authority to hire and fire his guys but Mike T doesn't receive the same grace?
40 million a year
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That was supposedly the explanation for why the Steelers didn't throw the ball against Cincy the second game. Tomlin claimed that one.
You sure it was Cowher making those calls , and not a far more competent owner than art2?!?
I want some media person to confirm if Tomlin can really hire who he wants. If its true he should’ve been gone years ago. Because we hear all of these stories like he didn’t wanna fire Bruce Arians and then we hear that he’s allowed to fire Todd Haley when the Rooney’s were the ones who hired Todd Haley. This has to be found out
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That's revisionist history. Tomlin said, "it was time to make a change," with Arians. Totally owned the decision. Offense was way too wide open for Tomlin's liking under Arians. He was OC the last time the Steelers were winning more playoff games than not.
Many of the guys Tomlin hires has a lot of connections to him. I have zero doubt he makes the hires.
But I’ve also heard from the mouth of Bruce Arians that when he had his exit interview with Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin told him he was coming back. Then a couple days later, I guess he had heard something else from upstairs and he said that they weren’t going to renew his contract. Then Bruce Arians asked him are you firing me? to which Bruce Arian says Mike Tomlin did not want to admit that he was firing him and that he could tell that he didn’t really want to fire him. Can you please make that make sense because I know I saw that interview. And it was an interview that happened when he became the head coach of Tampa Bay. Because I can’t see Mike Tomlin going out to go find Todd Haley either.
In Pittsburgh the GM answers to the head coach. The head coach only answers to the owner.
Once again you’re doubling down on dumb. Clearly that’s your are of expertise
It’s not even worth discussing this with someone so dumb that he thinks a HOF coach with his national reputation with the media would stand by quietly and allow ownership to poor boy him on his coordinators. Secondly ownership is so cheap they are paying said coach one of the highest salaries in the NFL but are going to nickel and dime him on his staff. This is so asinine that it’s a new level is stupidity for you. Congrats
Oh and the prior coach seemed to do pretty well with hiring coordinators. But poor MM is being poor boyed.
Not to mention they always have significant input on the roster if not the final say in who they draft. But poor MM the HOF coach has been neutered by management
But this is what needs to has Tomlin would say “get unearthed”. If Mike Tomlin really chooses the coordinators since Lebeau and Arians then Art Rooney should’ve fired him 7 years ago.
Spout gibberish is an accurate description "and obviously when weighing the totality of recent events we've come to the realization that we can't blink during evaluating recent performances of the collective. It's necessary to cut off our eyelids in efforts to absorb the harsh reality that we have in fact been living in our fears during the talent acquisition portion of our business" 🤣🤪
You've never worked for someone that waffled around and deflected blame? Look, an owner can 100% tell a HC to fire someone. Can it happen with Tomlin? Of course. Did it? We'll never know.
Todd Haley was coming off of being fired by KC because their offense was terrible. He was the "easy" hire because his dad worked for the club and nobody else wanted him. But Haley did pretty well in Pittsburgh. His only downfall was that Big Ben didn't like him and wanted Fichtner to have the OC job.
Of course Tomlin would say that .
Haley was hired to keep Ben from taking sacks to keep him healthy .
Has nothing to do with being conservative.
The owner wanted to protect the franchise qb , same way he didn’t want him
Benched or moved on from Way for years too long .
Nope - it just shows the incompetency of ownership and the policies they've established throughout the league.
So, to summarize, you're convinced that Tomlin is the useful idiot for the Rooney's. He has no control over his staff, players, or much else other than possible formulating a game plan and implementing strategy with people he's forced to work with. And to do this, the Steelers are throwing garbage bags of money at him for this very limited strategic roll that, by the way, he isn't doing very well with.
Makes perfect sense.
See. You’re intelligent. Other people here trying to apologize for the head coach, not so much.
I don't know about being intelligent but it seems ridiculous to think that a Head Coach in the NFL has very little responsibility beyond just formulating a game plan for the coordinators (that they could pretty much do on their own) and deciding when to go for it or call a time out.
That would be beyond stupid to think that even with a newly minted NFL coach who has a micro managing owner (see Jerry Jones). But there are no words to describe the level of stupidity to think that is the case with a guy who is as respected/revered Nationally and is alledgedly a shoo in for the HOF.
Incorrect
It shows the inconsistency in your narratives
The buck for coaching and front office is ownership
I’ll ask again
Who hires and extended Tomlin ?
Who hired from within for the GM and kept Cobert employed despite terrible draft for nearly a decade ?
Where does the buck actually stop ??
Is it the guy who signs the checks ?
The great irony is the same folks who think Tomlin is the only problem -
Will also blame the Deep State for failures from the CEO of the country .
It’s proving my point. Let’s say Mike Tomlin really did not want to fire Bruce Arians and then the ownership group decides that they want Todd Haley. Well then that’s not really Mike Tomlin making the decision. Then the ownership group decides that Ben should get his guy FiKner the OC job. Again that wouldn’t be Mike Tomlin making the decision so that when the offense is bad it’s really not on him. The same thing would go with the Keith Butler hire. If Keith Butler was told he was the DC in waiting then really the mediocre results and Mike Tomlin wanting to call the place because he doesn’t believe in him as a play caller kinda wouldn’t be his fault. So then it would be a situation. Where has a chef you don’t have control over how the meals come out because somebody else keeps adding ingredients to your food that you don’t want. This is why I want a very clear picture of how their structure is.
My money is on the "deep state"....
... believed by about 30% of the population.
More to the point
Ben and Rooney’s made the calls . Remember how When the giants benched Eli and Ben said “tge Rooneys would have handled it differently “??
How about dumping santonio Holmes for a 5th rounder right after the Super Bowl ? Tomlin or Rooney ?
So many personnel decisions get dictated by ownership and it’s naive to pretend it’s not .
So then I’m under the opinion then, if Mike Tomlin isn’t making the calls, then the only person to hold themselves accountable would be Art Rooney. Because it would mean that he is the one who let Ben pick his own offensive coordinator to the detriment of the team and he is the one who forced Mike Tomlin to have Keith Butler because he promised him the defensive coordinator title while Lebeau was here. That would mean then that Mike Tomlin just has to make chicken salad out of whatever ingredients that the Rooney allow him to get. As opposed to he’s doing the shopping for the groceries like Bill Parcell says, and he’s 100% responsible for the results.. if the Rooney were meddling in the affairs to that much of a detriment, then the argument could be made that Mike Tomlin is a better coach and we give him credit for because he has to make work what the ownership allows him to do. Do you remember when somebody said that they wanted to hire Jim Caldwell?? But he wanted too much money and he had to settle for Matt Canada? What frustrates me is that nobody in the Pittsburgh sports media can get to the bottom of reports like that. And Mike Tomlin always just says I won’t reveal what’s behind a curtain. So would anybody else wanna come here and coach this team if they didn’t have personnel say? And I mean full say?? I mean they’re the Pittsburgh Steelers but if the ownership group is gonna tie your hands, you’re putting your coaching career at risk even though the ownership group can’t fire you for decisions that you didn’t make. Am I just overthinking this?
I honestly think that’s why Art sticks with Tomlin .
Tomlin takes all the heat and responsibility, and never complains . Consistently says he has the best job in the world.
It’s the reason his players like and respect him .
He doesn’t look for credit and always takes the blame
When things go bad .
Tomlin takes all the heat and responsibility, and never complains . Consistently says he has the best job in the world.
It’s the reason his players like and respect him .
He doesn’t look for credit and always takes the blame
When things go bad .
You're 100% correct that his players like him. "Respect?" If his players respected him, we wouldn't see James Harrison say Tomlin runs a disorganized and undisciplined outfit. We wouldn't see George Pickens, Deonte Johnson, Chase Claypool, Antonio Brown, etc. behave the way the did under his leadership.
Now that you put it like that, I think that is probably why Mike Tomlin would make a very good coach for the Dallas Cowboys. because how can we not come up with the comparison that art Rooney is just behind the scenes version of Jerry Jones? maybe Jerry Jones has just never met a coach that could turn his chicken crap into chicken salad.
Good point
Because we saw how well behaved Antonio brown(quit the raiders, left the field topless in TB mid game ) , Dionte(4 teams in a year and cut ) , and claypool(even in the league after bouncing around?) were on on other teams !!
Compelling point
You’re not good at this .
Other than the fact that Tomlin can be directly quoted, saying it was his decision, I guess all we're left with is conspiracy theories.
So you're saying that because ownership is responsible for hiring Tomlin and the GM, they also micromanage every other aspect of the organization and allow Tomlin very little control over anything?
I think the only conspiracy that needs to be considered is how some people still insist on carrying water for a man that they think arrogantly pretends to be a "buck stops here" guy but actually has zero control over everything going on around him?
Teflon Mike. You have to admit the dude has done an outstanding job of deflecting blame
Schrödinger's Tomlin:
- He is a Hall of Fame coach and we'll immediately be worse without him
- He has no responsibility for things that a Hall of Fame coach would, such as coaching resources, hiring decisions, player selection, or offensive/defensive scheme
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Tomlin can be fired today and I won’t complain .
Rooneys have the money to buy him out. Probably in their couch cushions
