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Didn't he just tell a WR that he needed to grow up during a press conference?
He did say Pickens needed to “grow up in a hurry “ in relation to his two costly Personal foul penalties against the bengals the first game .

That’s not a complaint - it’s a reality .

Coaches who complain about their bosses (owners) publicly get fired . See Brian Flores
 
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Because the free veteran qb demanded it as part of signing ?
So if the decision is a super winning QB for feee , or a capable at best QB - who you can also flip for a 3rd round pick -
The calculus makes it pretty simple .
Why would the free agent call the incumbent starter and say he was looking forward to competing with him?

It doesn't make any sense either way? If KP was the best option, why would a HOF coach go out and look for his replacement?
 
Why would the free agent call the incumbent starter and say he was looking forward to competing with him?

It doesn't make any sense either way? If KP was the best option, why would a HOF coach go out and look for his replacement?
Because Russell Wilson is very media savvy .
Are you actually this naive ?
The HC doesn’t make the call - the owner and GM does .
 
Well it takes the right coach at the right time to win a Super Bowl and he was the right guy for that team and all of those HOFers and egos. Can’t knock him for winning with another guys players. But he also won with the other guys coaches, which doesn’t get talked about enough.

On the radio tonight someone brought up a good point. And maybe you heard the same thing. We assume someone will hire him. But who in the right mind would put him in charge of their young QB? Most teams looking for coaches have young QBs or will need one in the draft. Owners aren’t always the brightest guys…but who in their right mind would want Tomlin coaching their franchise QB?

Tomlin can succeed again but it would have to be the right situation, as it was here 17 years ago.
I can't imagine he wants to coach much longer but he is very young. It's hard to stay in one place that long and not wear out your welcome.
It is possible than Rooney is morphing into another Bob Nutting. Winning is no longer paramount. A full wallet supercedes all else.
I mean he is a lawyer by trade so.....
 
They invested more into the offensive line with their top two draft picks, although one got hurt. Khan had a massive failure in adding another starting receiver. I'd maybe pump the brakes on wanting to keep Mason Rudolph. He caught lightning in a bottle at the end of last season before regressing back to normal this year. I understand it was the Titans, but Rudolph was no more the answer than Fields/Wilson. Actually, the Steelers would probably be sitting at home this weekend if Rudolph was their QB.

With only 1 legit WR and a less efficient ground game compared to last season, Fields and Wilson combined for 21 passing TDs, 6 rushing TDs, and 8 turnovers (6 INTs, 2 fumbles).

Pickett and Rudolph had 9 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, and 4 turnovers (4 INTs).

The Steelers got better production from their QBs over the course of the entire season. None of Pickett, Rudolph, Fields, and Wilson are long-term options. You also have a head coach that wants to minimize turnovers and win ugly so he doesn't trust his QBs to throw the ball. At this point it's just as much of a head coach problem as it is a personnel problem.
Mason Rudolph is on an awful Titans team with an awful offense but……he’d put up better numbers than Fields and Wilson in this same offense. System matters. Pickett turned the ball over more than Rudolph and Rudolph is a victim of a head coach who doesn’t know how to build an offensive system. Sam Darnold was written off by everybody but yet he gets on team with a scheme and roster and he is a MVP candidate. Scheme matters. Bad schemes ruin quarterbacks careers because few people can evaluate QB play properly. The kind of QB the Steelers needed for this system was a Mason Rudolph type who would make quick reads and get the ball out quickly due to a mediocre OLine.
 
He doesn’t have to say it himself. He can use media back channels as well as say things indirectly that imply he’s not happy. Again he’s not a wall flower.
He could but I just don’t see him doing that. Given his relationship with Art - he could go right to the man himself.
 
Roll the dice. Wilson is not worth anywhere near $40 million. He 's ready to get on with his life after football. Trade for someone and/or draft a QB early in the draft.

I think there are 2 types of NFL quarterbacks:

1. Franchise QB's
2. Everyone else

I dont know why anyone would give Wilson $40 million when he is a below average QB. I'd rather pay a Mason Rudolph or Kenny Pickett-type talent for a couple million and use the other $38 million on a TE and WR.
 
I think there are 2 types of NFL quarterbacks:

1. Franchise QB's
2. Everyone else

I dont know why anyone would give Wilson $40 million when he is a below average QB. I'd rather pay a Mason Rudolph or Kenny Pickett-type talent for a couple million and use the other $38 million on a TE and WR.

Might be your most coherent post ever. 👏 👏 👏
 
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Common sense here. Paying either of those bums more than a minimal contract world be flushing money. Even at a minimal cap hit, they would be admitting that they have no interest in winning.

 
Let me know how your career goes by telling your boss he’s handcuffing you .
You go into your bosses office with data and metrics illustrating why you need more resources because we are not going to hit our goals, KPIs or SLAs based on what we have. It's not that difficult. And the fact you don't know that should be alarming but it's not.
 
You go into your bosses office with data and metrics illustrating why you need more resources because we are not going to hit our goals, KPIs or SLAs based on what we have. It's not that difficult. And the fact you don't know that should be alarming but it's not.
Everyone is a victim in soufs world
 
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You go into your bosses office with data and metrics illustrating why you need more resources because we are not going to hit our goals, KPIs or SLAs based on what we have. It's not that difficult. And the fact you don't know that should be alarming but it's not.
My boss isn’t the owner or CEO of the hospital system .
She needs sign offs of those proposals by her bosses .

Welcome to reality -

If I go to the CEO of my hospital for resources , it won’t end well for me
 
Everyone is a victim in soufs world
Who’s a victim ?
Tomlin is well compensated.
His boss seems content enough to extent his contact

If his boss wants to fire him - he can .
Same boss who was worries about eating a small contact for Canada .
So , sometimes reality doesn’t line up with anonymous hypotheticals
 
It’s troubling these guys who get paid for the business of football are too idiotic to see that the issue they have is the process in which they make their decisions. They think that the players make the scheme work rather than the other way around. And then they plug guys into a scheme they have no business even trying to play and are shocked when they perform below the line. If no one in that front office says anything to stop this then……….like watching the Penguins, watching the Steelers will be meaningless. Mason Rudolph or Kenny Pickett could have been good qb’s in the right scheme but Mike Tomlin has NEVER established a scheme that works. The only time he had one he forced Arians into retirement, and then fired Todd Haley. That is where all this crap began. If Todd Haley’s scheme and coaching is what Mason or Kenny come into rather than Fikner or Canada coaching a rookie about with a scheme that isn’t proven at the NFL level you don’t waste years of the defense being good. And you probably hit with one of those players. But nothing has changed.
 
It’s troubling these guys who get paid for the business of football are too idiotic to see that the issue they have is the process in which they make their decisions. They think that the players make the scheme work rather than the other way around. And then they plug guys into a scheme they have no business even trying to play and are shocked when they perform below the line. If no one in that front office says anything to stop this then……….like watching the Penguins, watching the Steelers will be meaningless. Mason Rudolph or Kenny Pickett could have been good qb’s in the right scheme but Mike Tomlin has NEVER established a scheme that works. The only time he had one he forced Arians into retirement, and then fired Todd Haley. That is where all this crap began. If Todd Haley’s scheme and coaching is what Mason or Kenny come into rather than Fikner or Canada coaching a rookie about with a scheme that isn’t proven at the NFL level you don’t waste years of the defense being good. And you probably hit with one of those players. But nothing has changed.
Let's face it, a lot of football coaches are basically just gym teachers. Especially the older ones. Just not intelligent at all. I mean in 15+ years, have you ever heard Tomlin say something radical or even interesting? No. Every single presser is just gish-gallop and fancy buzz phrases. He's like the master of corporate speak who gets promoted and promoted until everyone figures out he's full of crap.

Contrast him with Sean McVay, O'Connell, or even some NBA guys like Pop and Steve Kerr. It's night and day.

Tomlin can't establish a scheme that works because he literally doesn't know what that even means. He doesn't have any interesting ideas about football. I mean, two weeks ago he was asked about his approach to winning and he took 5 sentences to say "time of possession." He's stuck in 1986. He has no ideas about how to stress a defense and certainly can't accomplish that with anything less than the absolute best players of all time. He's completely cooked.
 
Let's face it, a lot of football coaches are basically just gym teachers. Especially the older ones. Just not intelligent at all. I mean in 15+ years, have you ever heard Tomlin say something radical or even interesting? No. Every single presser is just gish-gallop and fancy buzz phrases. He's like the master of corporate speak who gets promoted and promoted until everyone figures out he's full of crap.

Contrast him with Sean McVay, O'Connell, or even some NBA guys like Pop and Steve Kerr. It's night and day.

Tomlin can't establish a scheme that works because he literally doesn't know what that even means. He doesn't have any interesting ideas about football. I mean, two weeks ago he was asked about his approach to winning and he took 5 sentences to say "time of possession." He's stuck in 1986. He has no ideas about how to stress a defense and certainly can't accomplish that with anything less than the absolute best players of all time. He's completely cooked.
Tomlin's scheme is letting his star players by showing up and being better. When it was Ben and AB, go out there and play backyard football. With his players now, it's hope TJ just wrecks the tackle and gets to the QB a bunch. As soon as his star players don't win their matchups, the Steelers are in trouble.
 
Tomlin's scheme is letting his star players by showing up and being better. When it was Ben and AB, go out there and play backyard football. With his players now, it's hope TJ just wrecks the tackle and gets to the QB a bunch. As soon as his star players don't win their matchups, the Steelers are in trouble.
This is why if your Tomlin he should’ve gotten the most dynamic DC and OC to put star players in the best positions. And it seems he wants to do the opposite
 
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This is why if your Tomlin he should’ve gotten the most dynamic DC and OC to put star players in the best positions. And it seems he wants to do the opposite
For a coach that is supposedly so well respected, it's remarkable the lack of pedigree for much of his staff. Fichtner and Canada were both without jobs after they were fired. Austin is a below average DC. You also have to question whether a young up and comer would want to coach on this staff given how Tomlin limits his coordinators with his philosophy. Zero coaching tree and many coaches getting demotions when they leave isn't a great environment to grow your career.
 
For a coach that is supposedly so well respected, it's remarkable the lack of pedigree for much of his staff. Fichtner and Canada were both without jobs after they were fired. Austin is a below average DC. You also have to question whether a young up and comer would want to coach on this staff given how Tomlin limits his coordinators with his philosophy. Zero coaching tree and many coaches getting demotions when they leave isn't a great environment to grow your career.
Tomlin is a bit of an enigma. He clearly doesn't hire the right people but why is that? Is it because he doesn't understand what to look for? Do the right people not apply? Or does he prioritize the wrong things.

I kind of think it's the latter. I think he missed the thought revolution which has occurred on offense in the last 5ish years. The best offenses have a ton of motion and a ton of play action. We did almost none of that with Canada (not sure about Smith). The best offenses also tend to throw it a lot, especially in neutral game script. We do the opposite - run heavy all the time. So why is that?

I think Tomlin is like Mike McDonald, coach of the Seahawks, who just fired their OC after one season. The Seahawks have a worse OL than us, were absolutely miserable running the ball, and had the highest pass rate over expected in the NFL. In other words, they threw a lot because they had to. They went 10-7 and barely missed the playoffs. In their last game, they had the ball on the opponent's 38 or something. Not really FG range. Geno dropped back to pass, sacked, game over. They fired the OC because he tried to throw and a bad thing happened. But that was stupid. The only reason why the game was close was because they were throwing and they probably needed another 5-10 yards for a reasonable FG chance anyway. For that, I'm labeling McDonald as a fake sharp. But I really think that's how Tomlin operates. He admitted as much in his MacBeth type soliloquy about why time of possession is so great (because bad things can happen if you try to throw and win). It's just regressive thinking and an anti-winning way to run an offense.
 
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I think Tomlin is like Mike McDonald, coach of the Seahawks, who just fired their OC after one season.
Tomlin is more like Marty Schottenheimer except he landed at a franchise that was already SB caliber and then was willing to put up with mediocrity once that blew over.

Tomlin is kind of that lazy manager. He doesn't do the extra. He's a lax, "players coach", who depends on the locker room to discipline himself. But he also has to be convinced he's the smartest guy in the room. Canada was a "yes man", I think. Not really a good OC but willing to run something Mike approves of. And when it fails, find a reason to deflect blame. Like the presser yesterday. I don't get any impression that Tomlin believes what they're doing isn't working. He pays lip service to it but you certainly don't get any sense of urgency from him.
 
Tomlin is more like Marty Schottenheimer except he landed at a franchise that was already SB caliber and then was willing to put up with mediocrity once that blew over.

Tomlin is kind of that lazy manager. He doesn't do the extra. He's a lax, "players coach", who depends on the locker room to discipline himself. But he also has to be convinced he's the smartest guy in the room. Canada was a "yes man", I think. Not really a good OC but willing to run something Mike approves of. And when it fails, find a reason to deflect blame. Like the presser yesterday. I don't get any impression that Tomlin believes what they're doing isn't working. He pays lip service to it but you certainly don't get any sense of urgency from him.
Didn’t he bench AB and others did acting up ? Dumped DJ. Got rid of claypool?
Held the line during bell’s holdout ?

Coaches never say anything during pressers .

Honestly - I don’t think Art smith is a bad oc or the problem -
The lack of playmakers on offense is the problem .
 
Didn’t he bench AB and others did acting up ? Dumped DJ. Got rid of claypool?
Held the line during bell’s holdout ?

Coaches never say anything during pressers .

Honestly - I don’t think Art smith is a bad oc or the problem -
The lack of playmakers on offense is the problem .
Did he? AB wasn't staying on campus like the rest of the team. Dionte and Claypool both lasted the entire season even though they were both a mess. They put up with Juju trying to be an internet star without any pushback. If he did bench anyone, it was after a really long rope and the city was in an uproar over the lack of action. And he really didn't have anything to do with Bell. The Rooney's blew that situation badly by picking a salary fight with a team that had SB asperations.

Lack of playmakers. Lack of an O-line. Lack of stability at QB. That's all on Tomlin. Whether or not Art Smith is the right guy for the job, also on Tomlin. I know he's not in the office cutting deals but if he's not in charge of talent evaluation it's because someone decided he doesn't know what he's doing. Dude is an NFL head coach. Results are what matters.
 
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Did he? AB wasn't staying on campus like the rest of the team. Dionte and Claypool both lasted the entire season even though they were both a mess. They put up with Juju trying to be an internet star without any pushback. If he did bench anyone, it was after a really long rope and the city was in an uproar over the lack of action. And he really didn't have anything to do with Bell. The Rooney's blew that situation badly by picking a salary fight with a team that had SB asperations.

Lack of playmakers. Lack of an O-line. Lack of stability at QB. That's all on Tomlin. Whether or not Art Smith is the right guy for the job, also on Tomlin. I know he's not in the office cutting deals but if he's not in charge of talent evaluation it's because someone decided he doesn't know what he's doing. Dude is an NFL head coach. Results are what matters.
Isn’t that on the GM who actually signs the players ?
Of course the HC gives input - but that’s why franchises have checks and balances
 
Isn’t that on the GM who actually signs the players ?
Of course the HC gives input - but that’s why franchises have checks and balances
GM does the business side. Can definitely say the franchise can't afford someone or won't fit under the cap.

If a HC isn't part of talent evaluation and can't hire his own coordinators, what exactly does he do besides spout gibberish at press conferences and postgame interviews?
 
LOL The HOF coach cant even pick his own coordinators. This is beyond dumb
Exactly..

If a HC isn't part of talent evaluation and can't hire his own coordinators, what exactly does he do besides spout gibberish at press conferences and postgame interviews?
Not only does he hire his own coordinators he makes sure his fingerprints are all over "their" gameplan.
 
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