Young played about half of his time at the five as a junior also. Especially during some games down the stretch.
Who was a worse pick. Capel
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Young played about half of his time at the five as a junior also. Especially during some games down the stretch.
There might be some recency bias going on in this thread. Indeed Capel has failed miserably at Pitt, and the curtains should fall on his show. I've seen enough. But let's not forget how truly dismal the two years of Stallings were. There was no light at the end of that dead-end tunnel. Firing him was not the mistake.
(I apologize for inconsistent use of metaphors.)
(I apologize for inconsistent use of metaphors.)
Stallings had to go for the exact same reason Capel now has to go:
Both created situations making it impossible for them to recruit.
Yep. For whatever reasons both feel/felt hopeless. Like many I too think that Mintz decommitting was the final straw for this version.
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Amazing how bad the recruiting has been for the current squad with all these failed former coaches sitting on the bench. Time to clean house.
And for the original question that's like asking which do you prefer a poopy flavored lollypop or a vomit flavored one.
And for the original question that's like asking which do you prefer a poopy flavored lollypop or a vomit flavored one.
I was pretty pro Capel the first three years. Yeah, we didn't win much, but it was slowly trending up from the 0 conference wins of Stallings year two.
14 - 19 (3 conference wins)
16 - 17 (6 conference wins)
10 - 12 (but with an improved percentage via 6-10 in conference with a shortened season)
But now it is basically Stallings collapse again. If you are slowly building up, you can't get away with a collapse and hold on to your job imho. We have no recruits, and our current players are overwhelmingly not ACC quality. It's looks just as bad, which is miserable.
14 - 19 (3 conference wins)
16 - 17 (6 conference wins)
10 - 12 (but with an improved percentage via 6-10 in conference with a shortened season)
But now it is basically Stallings collapse again. If you are slowly building up, you can't get away with a collapse and hold on to your job imho. We have no recruits, and our current players are overwhelmingly not ACC quality. It's looks just as bad, which is miserable.
In Pitt's last game that season those three combined to play 31 minutes. In the next to last game they played 25 minutes. In the game before that they played 26 minutes. In the game before that it was 15 minutes. In the game before that it was 28. Do I need to keep going?
I think you have completely forgotten that Nelson-Ododa was so bad that season that they last nine games of the season he played 29 minutes. Not per game. Total. And that included 13 minutes in the NCAA tournament game, so before that it was 8 games, 16 minutes. He had 20 games that season where he had either single digit minutes or a DNP.
I'd say you might remember, but you obviously don't, but most of the time that Young and Luther played together Young played the five and Luther played the four.
But I get that you might not have understood that that was what was going on.
Nope. Luther played the 5. I remember it very well. DT would even tell you that. They tried everything they could to keep Young at the 4 but yes, he did play some minutes at the 5.
Stallings wasted Dixon talent. Capel has wasted his own. His career is over.
Actually he just told you right here in this very thread that "Young played about half of his time at the five as a junior".
So to recap, DT is your source for what happened, except for when he disagrees with you, and then you simply ignore him.
So I will say this. Stallings might have been a better X and O coach. But the kids play harder for Capel. Some of those 30-40 point beatdowns under Stallings were brutal. Just no will or drive from the tip off.
Not saying Capel should stay or is a good coach. His recruiting and game day coaching has been disastrous...but his kids always play hard and with effort.
Not saying Capel should stay or is a good coach. His recruiting and game day coaching has been disastrous...but his kids always play hard and with effort.
Strongly disagree. That 0-18 team never quit in my opinion. I remember thinking that and really admiring it.
capels teams may not have yet gotten blown out as bad, but there have definitely been some times where I’ve questioned efforts and Capel has stated as much and benched players for extended periods as a result.
The ACC schedule has not started yet. The weight of losses has yet to accumulate.
Give it some time.
At least Stallings won 8 non conference games against teams he should've beat. His roster had no business winning more than a few ACC games.. obviously didn't win any.
not sure how you can say Capel is any better than Stallings. They won't win anywhere near 8 games. If his players played hard, he would've beaten the garbage teams that came into the Pete this year and man handled us.
not sure how you can say Capel is any better than Stallings. They won't win anywhere near 8 games. If his players played hard, he would've beaten the garbage teams that came into the Pete this year and man handled us.
Still disagree. Artis, Jeter, Luther, Young, Cam Johnson...not a bad roster at all! The one real loss from the previous year was James Robinson -- notable, but everyone else had a year more experience. They should have at least played good defense, but the stats don't bear that out.
his second year.. the year we won 0 ACC games did not consist of those guys. We won 8 non conference games with the winless conference team.
But why? He's had half a dozen decent players just walk away, and they where all getting plenty of playing time, so why did they go? And some of them where here starting, playing significant minutes for multiple years. If it was just one or two maybe I'd blame them, but it's more than one or two.
A lot of you guys are living in the emotion of the minute. Stallings managed to downgrade the status of the program. He started with NCAA tournament talent, and a program that hardly ever missed.
Capel has had some horrible luck after starting with a bare roster. Not sure why those guys all hated each other. Maybe more will come out eventually. And yeah, it’s his fault too there isn’t this fire hose of talent replenishing it. Both can be true.
Capel has had some horrible luck after starting with a bare roster. Not sure why those guys all hated each other. Maybe more will come out eventually. And yeah, it’s his fault too there isn’t this fire hose of talent replenishing it. Both can be true.
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