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** It’s been over day since our loss to Wisconsin, and time hasn’t made me feel one bit better about it.

** Accepting losses is always easier when you know you gave it your best, and I don’t feel that way about this one.

** I can’t say that we didn’t give it our best because of lack of effort or focus, something that looked to be the case in several of our losses this year.

** But as has often been the case with Dixon’s team in the NCAA tournament, we never really looked loose or relaxed on the offensive end.

** On the defensive end, we were splendid. Like no other time this year, our guys grasped the idea of rotating in the half court, and covered shooters. The second half defense wasn’t as good, but was good enough for the Panthers to have come away victorious.

** But like no other time this year, our offense let us down in a big way.

** It was obvious from the beginning that Dixon’s game plan was to play for defense. In the most general terms, I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion. But in this game, I believe it was taken too far, and that may have been at least part of the difference between winning and losing.

** I spent most of the second half of the game screaming at Dixon for having Nelson-Ododa in the game. It got so bad that my 10 year old Son left the room. He came back at the timeout to tell me that I was honestly scaring him. Yes, my tirade was that intense and profanity laced. I’m not proud.

** My problem with Nelson Ododa isn’t just that he can’t bring much if anything to the table offensively. I don’t think he’s that good of a defender either, and for most of the game, he brought a mixed bag to the table in his efforts to guard.

** Still, when the TV timeout occurred at the 5:46 mark of the second half and Pitt had the ball, I took some comfort knowing that Dixon would substitute there, defense for offense. I, for one, don’t really have the same issue with Dixon’s subs patterns as many do. Mostly they make sense to me, and it was going to be a routine switch there to get Ododa out. Maybe Ryan goes in. Maybe a front line of Young, Jeter and Arits. Whatever.

** But when Alonzo came back in, this time I just quietly shook my head saying to myself “I don’t believe it.” I had to stay quiet as my Son was once again with me in the room.

** What followed was that notorious turnover. I tried withhold another tirade, but I wasn’t completely successful, especially when Wisky converted the TO into a three.

** I certainly can’t say that had Nelson Ododa and Rafel Maia combined for something like 20 minutes instead of 27, and Ryan Luther had played 11 instead of 4 that we would have won. But I surely wish that’s what would have happened.

** Still, despite what I think was mostly an inexplicable use of Nelson Ododa, this game was probably lost more because we just didn’t hit shots.

** More to the point, it was lost because James Robinson didn’t hit shots.

** I think it’s important to note that James played a very good game in many respects. He defended well, moved the ball, got into the lane, and rebounded tremendously.

** Unfortuneatly, getting into the lane doesn’t help much if you aren’t turning that work into points. Over and over, James failed to do so, when perhaps just one make anywhere could have made a significant difference in the game.

** Most certainly, it would have made all the difference in the game had James found a way to score in those last ten seconds.

** Perhaps those last ten seconds sum up everything good and bad about the career of James Robinson. He helped play good defense, then corralled the rebound. But after heading safely down the court, he neither had the speed, ability, or craftiness to make a play.

** Maybe it was Mike's fault for the bump. It was probably some of both. It doesn’t matter.

** I’m really torn wondering what the prospects for the Panthers next year without James. In many ways, I think he was a little underappreciated by some. I suspect there will be times next year when we’ll think to ourselves how much we miss James Robinson.

** But maybe in even more ways, James’ graduation provides the Panthers the real opportunity to improve. To think James wasn’t a decent player is not accurate. You don’t leave the college as the All-Time NCAA assist to TO ratio leader without being decent. But at times, you need to be able to do more than not turn the ball over, and for most of this Wisconsin game, it was one of those times.

** We’ve been hard on Jamel this year, but it wouldn’t be fair to miss giving him a shout out for hitting two big money threes down the stretch.

** And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.

** A few times Mike Young tried to enter the mix, but too often the shot was forced or the ball was turned over.

** Still, singling out any player for this season ending game misses the point. The point is that this team just wasn’t a high quality team. Perhaps, Dixon sold out this game far too much on defense and that affected the offense yesterday. In fact, I think this was a big part of our problem last night. But if we had better players able to make better plays, we wouldn’t have been a 10 seed in the Tournament to begin with.

** With that, one could suggest that had Dixon tried a much more offensive game plan, we might have lost this game 67-63. But a loss all the same.

** And losses in this amazing event called the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament always have a miserable feel about them. That is until you start thinking again about next year. For some in the Panther Nation, next year led by Coach Dixon brings hope. And others, it’s miserable. But I’ll get to that a little later.
 
I honestly dont see myself missing James next year....... and if I do then Dixon really does need to go.
 
** It’s been over day since our loss to Wisconsin, and time hasn’t made me feel one bit better about it.

** Accepting losses is always easier when you know you gave it your best, and I don’t feel that way about this one.

** I can’t say that we didn’t give it our best because of lack of effort or focus, something that looked to be the case in several of our losses this year.

** But as has often been the case with Dixon’s team in the NCAA tournament, we never really looked loose or relaxed on the offensive end.

** On the defensive end, we were splendid. Like no other time this year, our guys grasped the idea of rotating in the half court, and covered shooters. The second half defense wasn’t as good, but was good enough for the Panthers to have come away victorious.

** But like no other time this year, our offense let us down in a big way.

** It was obvious from the beginning that Dixon’s game plan was to play for defense. In the most general terms, I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion. But in this game, I believe it was taken too far, and that may have been at least part of the difference between winning and losing.

** I spent most of the second half of the game screaming at Dixon for having Nelson-Ododa in the game. It got so bad that my 10 year old Son left the room. He came back at the timeout to tell me that I was honestly scaring him. Yes, my tirade was that intense and profanity laced. I’m not proud.

** My problem with Nelson Ododa isn’t just that he can’t bring much if anything to the table offensively. I don’t think he’s that good of a defender either, and for most of the game, he brought a mixed bag to the table in his efforts to guard.

** Still, when the TV timeout occurred at the 5:46 mark of the second half and Pitt had the ball, I took some comfort knowing that Dixon would substitute there, defense for offense. I, for one, don’t really have the same issue with Dixon’s subs patterns as many do. Mostly they make sense to me, and it was going to be a routine switch there to get Ododa out. Maybe Ryan goes in. Maybe a front line of Young, Jeter and Arits. Whatever.

** But when Alonzo came back in, this time I just quietly shook my head saying to myself “I don’t believe it.” I had to stay quiet as my Son was once again with me in the room.

** What followed was that notorious turnover. I tried withhold another tirade, but I wasn’t completely successful, especially when Wisky converted the TO into a three.

** I certainly can’t say that had Nelson Ododa and Rafel Maia combined for something like 20 minutes instead of 27, and Ryan Luther had played 11 instead of 4 that we would have won. But I surely wish that’s what would have happened.

** Still, despite what I think was mostly an inexplicable use of Nelson Ododa, this game was probably lost more because we just didn’t hit shots.

** More to the point, it was lost because James Robinson didn’t hit shots.

** I think it’s important to note that James played a very good game in many respects. He defended well, moved the ball, got into the lane, and rebounded tremendously.

** Unfortuneatly, getting into the lane doesn’t help much if you aren’t turning that work into points. Over and over, James failed to do so, when perhaps just one make anywhere could have made a significant difference in the game.

** Most certainly, it would have made all the difference in the game had James found a way to score in those last ten seconds.

** Perhaps those last ten seconds sum up everything good and bad about the career of James Robinson. He helped play good defense, then corralled the rebound. But after heading safely down the court, he neither had the speed, ability, or craftiness to make a play.

** Maybe it was Mike's fault for the bump. It was probably some of both. It doesn’t matter.

** I’m really torn wondering what the prospects for the Panthers next year without James. In many ways, I think he was a little underappreciated by some. I suspect there will be times next year when we’ll think to ourselves how much we miss James Robinson.

** But maybe in even more ways, James’ graduation provides the Panthers the real opportunity to improve. To think James wasn’t a decent player is not accurate. You don’t leave the college as the All-Time NCAA assist to TO ratio leader without being decent. But at times, you need to be able to do more than not turn the ball over, and for most of this Wisconsin game, it was one of those times.

** We’ve been hard on Jamel this year, but it wouldn’t be fair to miss giving him a shout out for hitting two big money threes down the stretch.

** And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.

** A few times Mike Young tried to enter the mix, but too often the shot was forced or the ball was turned over.

** Still, singling out any player for this season ending game misses the point. The point is that this team just wasn’t a high quality team. Perhaps, Dixon sold out this game far too much on defense and that affected the offense yesterday. In fact, I think this was a big part of our problem last night. But if we had better players able to make better plays, we wouldn’t have been a 10 seed in the Tournament to begin with.

** With that, one could suggest that had Dixon tried a much more offensive game plan, we might have lost this game 67-63. But a loss all the same.

** And losses in this amazing event called the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament always have a miserable feel about them. That is until you start thinking again about next year. For some in the Panther Nation, next year led by Coach Dixon brings hope. And others, it’s miserable. But I’ll get to that a little later.

It was a painful, ugly loss and it hurt even more because of all the other upsets. But we will be very experienced next year and I remain hopeful that the returning players will remember this feeling and work hard this off-season to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
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It was a painful, ugly loss and it hurt even more because of all the other upsets. But we will be very experienced next year and I remain hopeful that the returning players will remember this feeling and work hard this off-season to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I think we can be a lot better now that J-Rob and the 3 stooges ( I mean grad transfers) are gone.

No more grad transfers Jamie. Thanks
 
I think Milligan and Kithcart will be a plus over JRob in more ways than one.
 
Wow, everyone is so tough on Robinson. He was never recruited to be an offensive-minded PG. Nobody did anything in this game, especially Mike Young. And wouldn't Robinson seem to be a bit more effective if he actually had a shooting guard who could actually shoot? Yes, Robinson missed a lot of shots, but at least he did other things like play tough defense and grab 11 rebounds. Perhaps if anyone else had stepped up offensively, Robinson wouldn't have taken so many shots. The movement on offense was almost nil. Watch the half-assed off-ball screening-it's pathetic at this point in the season. There is a reason we were a 10 seed-we played inconsistently all season. Having said all of this, I still think Luther should have played more to see if he could have at least grabbed a couple of offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, as well as prevent some of their offensive rebounds in the 2nd half. He could have played for Young, because Young was pretty worthless yesterday, and Dixon still could have played this grad transfer centers. This game was maddening, but the outcome shouldn't have been that surprising after this up and down season. I know, it's still disappointing.
 
Wow, everyone is so tough on Robinson. He was never recruited to be an offensive-minded PG. Nobody did anything in this game, especially Mike Young. And wouldn't Robinson seem to be a bit more effective if he actually had a shooting guard who could actually shoot? Yes, Robinson missed a lot of shots, but at least he did other things like play tough defense and grab 11 rebounds. Perhaps if anyone else had stepped up offensively, Robinson wouldn't have taken so many shots. The movement on offense was almost nil. Watch the half-assed off-ball screening-it's pathetic at this point in the season. There is a reason we were a 10 seed-we played inconsistently all season. Having said all of this, I still think Luther should have played more to see if he could have at least grabbed a couple of offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, as well as prevent some of their offensive rebounds in the 2nd half. He could have played for Young, because Young was pretty worthless yesterday, and Dixon still could have played this grad transfer centers. This game was maddening, but the outcome shouldn't have been that surprising after this up and down season. I know, it's still disappointing.
6 points from Luther, that's it and we win this game. Didn't he earn more than 3-4 minutes of playing time based on his past 6 weeks?? Didn't he??
 
Wow, everyone is so tough on Robinson. He was never recruited to be an offensive-minded PG. Nobody did anything in this game, especially Mike Young. And wouldn't Robinson seem to be a bit more effective if he actually had a shooting guard who could actually shoot? Yes, Robinson missed a lot of shots, but at least he did other things like play tough defense and grab 11 rebounds. Perhaps if anyone else had stepped up offensively, Robinson wouldn't have taken so many shots. The movement on offense was almost nil. Watch the half-assed off-ball screening-it's pathetic at this point in the season. There is a reason we were a 10 seed-we played inconsistently all season. Having said all of this, I still think Luther should have played more to see if he could have at least grabbed a couple of offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, as well as prevent some of their offensive rebounds in the 2nd half. He could have played for Young, because Young was pretty worthless yesterday, and Dixon still could have played this grad transfer centers. This game was maddening, but the outcome shouldn't have been that surprising after this up and down season. I know, it's still disappointing.

For whatever it's worth this is one of my favorite posts of the last few days. Pretty good summary.

And I agree about a shooting guard. I've said over and over among my small group of Pitt hoops friends that JRob's weaknesses could have been masked and overcome had they actually had a 2 guard that was consistently worth something.
 
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It is ridiculous to blame a kid that gives his all. Blame the coach who is making $3 million that did not give him the proper players around him to be successful. He always was a facilitator.
 
6 points from Luther, that's it and we win this game. Didn't he earn more than 3-4 minutes of playing time based on his past 6 weeks?? Didn't he??
Probably needed more like 10, since he was already -4 on defense.
 
We always hold hope we will be better next year. So will a lot of teams. Better will not cut it in my opinion. I want to make sure we are in the top 32 every year. That means win a game on Thursday or Friday. Also means win at least two in the ACC tourney. When we won against UNC and then lost against Virginia that was a good tourney. This year not so much. I can't remember winning two in the NCAA even though I was there to see it. It always will be what have you done for me recently.

And no one talks about how the players are frustrated with the program. I can only assume because of the transfers and the rumors.

Dixon talks of none of this. Maybe, just maybe if he was open and honest with the boosters and alumni this picture could be painted differently....but he has become to arrogant and pompous for all that.

The basketball team will no longer get my monetary support, I will still watch, read, and listen, and even complain, but no longer committed to a program that accepts this as "good"
 
** It’s been over day since our loss to Wisconsin, and time hasn’t made me feel one bit better about it.

** Accepting losses is always easier when you know you gave it your best, and I don’t feel that way about this one.

** I can’t say that we didn’t give it our best because of lack of effort or focus, something that looked to be the case in several of our losses this year.

** But as has often been the case with Dixon’s team in the NCAA tournament, we never really looked loose or relaxed on the offensive end.

** On the defensive end, we were splendid. Like no other time this year, our guys grasped the idea of rotating in the half court, and covered shooters. The second half defense wasn’t as good, but was good enough for the Panthers to have come away victorious.

** But like no other time this year, our offense let us down in a big way.

** It was obvious from the beginning that Dixon’s game plan was to play for defense. In the most general terms, I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion. But in this game, I believe it was taken too far, and that may have been at least part of the difference between winning and losing.

** I spent most of the second half of the game screaming at Dixon for having Nelson-Ododa in the game. It got so bad that my 10 year old Son left the room. He came back at the timeout to tell me that I was honestly scaring him. Yes, my tirade was that intense and profanity laced. I’m not proud.

** My problem with Nelson Ododa isn’t just that he can’t bring much if anything to the table offensively. I don’t think he’s that good of a defender either, and for most of the game, he brought a mixed bag to the table in his efforts to guard.

** Still, when the TV timeout occurred at the 5:46 mark of the second half and Pitt had the ball, I took some comfort knowing that Dixon would substitute there, defense for offense. I, for one, don’t really have the same issue with Dixon’s subs patterns as many do. Mostly they make sense to me, and it was going to be a routine switch there to get Ododa out. Maybe Ryan goes in. Maybe a front line of Young, Jeter and Arits. Whatever.

** But when Alonzo came back in, this time I just quietly shook my head saying to myself “I don’t believe it.” I had to stay quiet as my Son was once again with me in the room.

** What followed was that notorious turnover. I tried withhold another tirade, but I wasn’t completely successful, especially when Wisky converted the TO into a three.

** I certainly can’t say that had Nelson Ododa and Rafel Maia combined for something like 20 minutes instead of 27, and Ryan Luther had played 11 instead of 4 that we would have won. But I surely wish that’s what would have happened.

** Still, despite what I think was mostly an inexplicable use of Nelson Ododa, this game was probably lost more because we just didn’t hit shots.

** More to the point, it was lost because James Robinson didn’t hit shots.

** I think it’s important to note that James played a very good game in many respects. He defended well, moved the ball, got into the lane, and rebounded tremendously.

** Unfortuneatly, getting into the lane doesn’t help much if you aren’t turning that work into points. Over and over, James failed to do so, when perhaps just one make anywhere could have made a significant difference in the game.

** Most certainly, it would have made all the difference in the game had James found a way to score in those last ten seconds.

** Perhaps those last ten seconds sum up everything good and bad about the career of James Robinson. He helped play good defense, then corralled the rebound. But after heading safely down the court, he neither had the speed, ability, or craftiness to make a play.

** Maybe it was Mike's fault for the bump. It was probably some of both. It doesn’t matter.

** I’m really torn wondering what the prospects for the Panthers next year without James. In many ways, I think he was a little underappreciated by some. I suspect there will be times next year when we’ll think to ourselves how much we miss James Robinson.

** But maybe in even more ways, James’ graduation provides the Panthers the real opportunity to improve. To think James wasn’t a decent player is not accurate. You don’t leave the college as the All-Time NCAA assist to TO ratio leader without being decent. But at times, you need to be able to do more than not turn the ball over, and for most of this Wisconsin game, it was one of those times.

** We’ve been hard on Jamel this year, but it wouldn’t be fair to miss giving him a shout out for hitting two big money threes down the stretch.

** And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.

** A few times Mike Young tried to enter the mix, but too often the shot was forced or the ball was turned over.

** Still, singling out any player for this season ending game misses the point. The point is that this team just wasn’t a high quality team. Perhaps, Dixon sold out this game far too much on defense and that affected the offense yesterday. In fact, I think this was a big part of our problem last night. But if we had better players able to make better plays, we wouldn’t have been a 10 seed in the Tournament to begin with.

** With that, one could suggest that had Dixon tried a much more offensive game plan, we might have lost this game 67-63. But a loss all the same.

** And losses in this amazing event called the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament always have a miserable feel about them. That is until you start thinking again about next year. For some in the Panther Nation, next year led by Coach Dixon brings hope. And others, it’s miserable. But I’ll get to that a little later.
I think the substitution pattern was pretty ridiculous, but we lost because James couldn't make the easiest and most wide open shots. I think James was a nice player for this program and represented the University as well as anyone, but the bottom line is that he just couldn't make enough shots for us in many games and last night too. James had about 7 wide open looks last night and couldn't even hit one. When we were up 34-29, we had 3 great looks at open 3's and missed them all, if we just hit one of them, I think we win.
 
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And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.


As I've said more than once this year after a poor Chris Jones defensive game, we know he has good defensive games in him. We've seen him play good defensive games. Last night was another one. Why can't he do that all the time? OK, maybe not to the extent he did last night, when he was pretty darn good defensively, but why can't he be a plus defender every game? Why is it one good game defensively interspersed periodically among the normal mediocre or (usually) worse defensive games?
 
I think the substitution pattern was pretty ridiculous, but we lost because James couldn't make the easiest and most wide open shots. I think James was a nice player for this program and represented the University as well as anyone, but the bottom line is that he just couldn't make enough shots for us in many games and last night too. James had about 7 wide open looks last night and couldn't even hit one. When we were up 34-29, we had 3 great looks at open 3's and missed them all, if we just hit one of them, I think we win.

I remember thinking the same thing
 
** It’s been over day since our loss to Wisconsin, and time hasn’t made me feel one bit better about it.

** Accepting losses is always easier when you know you gave it your best, and I don’t feel that way about this one.

** I can’t say that we didn’t give it our best because of lack of effort or focus, something that looked to be the case in several of our losses this year.

** But as has often been the case with Dixon’s team in the NCAA tournament, we never really looked loose or relaxed on the offensive end.

** On the defensive end, we were splendid. Like no other time this year, our guys grasped the idea of rotating in the half court, and covered shooters. The second half defense wasn’t as good, but was good enough for the Panthers to have come away victorious.

** But like no other time this year, our offense let us down in a big way.

** It was obvious from the beginning that Dixon’s game plan was to play for defense. In the most general terms, I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion. But in this game, I believe it was taken too far, and that may have been at least part of the difference between winning and losing.

** I spent most of the second half of the game screaming at Dixon for having Nelson-Ododa in the game. It got so bad that my 10 year old Son left the room. He came back at the timeout to tell me that I was honestly scaring him. Yes, my tirade was that intense and profanity laced. I’m not proud.

** My problem with Nelson Ododa isn’t just that he can’t bring much if anything to the table offensively. I don’t think he’s that good of a defender either, and for most of the game, he brought a mixed bag to the table in his efforts to guard.

** Still, when the TV timeout occurred at the 5:46 mark of the second half and Pitt had the ball, I took some comfort knowing that Dixon would substitute there, defense for offense. I, for one, don’t really have the same issue with Dixon’s subs patterns as many do. Mostly they make sense to me, and it was going to be a routine switch there to get Ododa out. Maybe Ryan goes in. Maybe a front line of Young, Jeter and Arits. Whatever.

** But when Alonzo came back in, this time I just quietly shook my head saying to myself “I don’t believe it.” I had to stay quiet as my Son was once again with me in the room.

** What followed was that notorious turnover. I tried withhold another tirade, but I wasn’t completely successful, especially when Wisky converted the TO into a three.

** I certainly can’t say that had Nelson Ododa and Rafel Maia combined for something like 20 minutes instead of 27, and Ryan Luther had played 11 instead of 4 that we would have won. But I surely wish that’s what would have happened.

** Still, despite what I think was mostly an inexplicable use of Nelson Ododa, this game was probably lost more because we just didn’t hit shots.

** More to the point, it was lost because James Robinson didn’t hit shots.

** I think it’s important to note that James played a very good game in many respects. He defended well, moved the ball, got into the lane, and rebounded tremendously.

** Unfortuneatly, getting into the lane doesn’t help much if you aren’t turning that work into points. Over and over, James failed to do so, when perhaps just one make anywhere could have made a significant difference in the game.

** Most certainly, it would have made all the difference in the game had James found a way to score in those last ten seconds.

** Perhaps those last ten seconds sum up everything good and bad about the career of James Robinson. He helped play good defense, then corralled the rebound. But after heading safely down the court, he neither had the speed, ability, or craftiness to make a play.

** Maybe it was Mike's fault for the bump. It was probably some of both. It doesn’t matter.

** I’m really torn wondering what the prospects for the Panthers next year without James. In many ways, I think he was a little underappreciated by some. I suspect there will be times next year when we’ll think to ourselves how much we miss James Robinson.

** But maybe in even more ways, James’ graduation provides the Panthers the real opportunity to improve. To think James wasn’t a decent player is not accurate. You don’t leave the college as the All-Time NCAA assist to TO ratio leader without being decent. But at times, you need to be able to do more than not turn the ball over, and for most of this Wisconsin game, it was one of those times.

** We’ve been hard on Jamel this year, but it wouldn’t be fair to miss giving him a shout out for hitting two big money threes down the stretch.

** And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.

** A few times Mike Young tried to enter the mix, but too often the shot was forced or the ball was turned over.

** Still, singling out any player for this season ending game misses the point. The point is that this team just wasn’t a high quality team. Perhaps, Dixon sold out this game far too much on defense and that affected the offense yesterday. In fact, I think this was a big part of our problem last night. But if we had better players able to make better plays, we wouldn’t have been a 10 seed in the Tournament to begin with.

** With that, one could suggest that had Dixon tried a much more offensive game plan, we might have lost this game 67-63. But a loss all the same.

** And losses in this amazing event called the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament always have a miserable feel about them. That is until you start thinking again about next year. For some in the Panther Nation, next year led by Coach Dixon brings hope. And others, it’s miserable. But I’ll get to that a little later.

I don't want to come down too hard on James. One thing I'll say for him is that he always put out the effort. That said, I honestly won't miss him. His lack of quickness and inability to break guys down off the dribble limited our offense. His shooting was bad and never really improved throughout his career. His defense was adequate (IMO somewhat overrated but that's just me). I simply refuse to believe that one of our PG's next year won't give us a higher ceiling. Maybe we'll suffer through more turnovers, but I can live with that if we pick up penetration and better shooting.

Cruzer
 
Bottom line is that at best we best a horrid wisky team and get drilled by xavier. They cannot win 2 in a row.
 
Bottom line is that at best we best a horrid wisky team and get drilled by xavier. They cannot win 2 in a row.

Still would've liked that chance though. Anything can happen in one game.
 
** It’s been over day since our loss to Wisconsin, and time hasn’t made me feel one bit better about it.

** Accepting losses is always easier when you know you gave it your best, and I don’t feel that way about this one.

** I can’t say that we didn’t give it our best because of lack of effort or focus, something that looked to be the case in several of our losses this year.

** But as has often been the case with Dixon’s team in the NCAA tournament, we never really looked loose or relaxed on the offensive end.

** On the defensive end, we were splendid. Like no other time this year, our guys grasped the idea of rotating in the half court, and covered shooters. The second half defense wasn’t as good, but was good enough for the Panthers to have come away victorious.

** But like no other time this year, our offense let us down in a big way.

** It was obvious from the beginning that Dixon’s game plan was to play for defense. In the most general terms, I don’t necessarily disagree with the notion. But in this game, I believe it was taken too far, and that may have been at least part of the difference between winning and losing.

** I spent most of the second half of the game screaming at Dixon for having Nelson-Ododa in the game. It got so bad that my 10 year old Son left the room. He came back at the timeout to tell me that I was honestly scaring him. Yes, my tirade was that intense and profanity laced. I’m not proud.

** My problem with Nelson Ododa isn’t just that he can’t bring much if anything to the table offensively. I don’t think he’s that good of a defender either, and for most of the game, he brought a mixed bag to the table in his efforts to guard.

** Still, when the TV timeout occurred at the 5:46 mark of the second half and Pitt had the ball, I took some comfort knowing that Dixon would substitute there, defense for offense. I, for one, don’t really have the same issue with Dixon’s subs patterns as many do. Mostly they make sense to me, and it was going to be a routine switch there to get Ododa out. Maybe Ryan goes in. Maybe a front line of Young, Jeter and Arits. Whatever.

** But when Alonzo came back in, this time I just quietly shook my head saying to myself “I don’t believe it.” I had to stay quiet as my Son was once again with me in the room.

** What followed was that notorious turnover. I tried withhold another tirade, but I wasn’t completely successful, especially when Wisky converted the TO into a three.

** I certainly can’t say that had Nelson Ododa and Rafel Maia combined for something like 20 minutes instead of 27, and Ryan Luther had played 11 instead of 4 that we would have won. But I surely wish that’s what would have happened.

** Still, despite what I think was mostly an inexplicable use of Nelson Ododa, this game was probably lost more because we just didn’t hit shots.

** More to the point, it was lost because James Robinson didn’t hit shots.

** I think it’s important to note that James played a very good game in many respects. He defended well, moved the ball, got into the lane, and rebounded tremendously.

** Unfortuneatly, getting into the lane doesn’t help much if you aren’t turning that work into points. Over and over, James failed to do so, when perhaps just one make anywhere could have made a significant difference in the game.

** Most certainly, it would have made all the difference in the game had James found a way to score in those last ten seconds.

** Perhaps those last ten seconds sum up everything good and bad about the career of James Robinson. He helped play good defense, then corralled the rebound. But after heading safely down the court, he neither had the speed, ability, or craftiness to make a play.

** Maybe it was Mike's fault for the bump. It was probably some of both. It doesn’t matter.

** I’m really torn wondering what the prospects for the Panthers next year without James. In many ways, I think he was a little underappreciated by some. I suspect there will be times next year when we’ll think to ourselves how much we miss James Robinson.

** But maybe in even more ways, James’ graduation provides the Panthers the real opportunity to improve. To think James wasn’t a decent player is not accurate. You don’t leave the college as the All-Time NCAA assist to TO ratio leader without being decent. But at times, you need to be able to do more than not turn the ball over, and for most of this Wisconsin game, it was one of those times.

** We’ve been hard on Jamel this year, but it wouldn’t be fair to miss giving him a shout out for hitting two big money threes down the stretch.

** And Chris Jones played one of his better games of the year, especially on the defensive end. But like with James, the Panthers needed offense, and Chris didn’t even take a second half shot.

** A few times Mike Young tried to enter the mix, but too often the shot was forced or the ball was turned over.

** Still, singling out any player for this season ending game misses the point. The point is that this team just wasn’t a high quality team. Perhaps, Dixon sold out this game far too much on defense and that affected the offense yesterday. In fact, I think this was a big part of our problem last night. But if we had better players able to make better plays, we wouldn’t have been a 10 seed in the Tournament to begin with.

** With that, one could suggest that had Dixon tried a much more offensive game plan, we might have lost this game 67-63. But a loss all the same.

** And losses in this amazing event called the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament always have a miserable feel about them. That is until you start thinking again about next year. For some in the Panther Nation, next year led by Coach Dixon brings hope. And others, it’s miserable. But I’ll get to that a little later.
James Robinson is not paid millions of dollars, has always played his heart out and perhaps overachieved by playing at this level.
His skills and lack of them are open and obvious to all.
He is man enough to let his stats speak for themselves.
He has never blamed anyone else for his flaws.
I can't say the same thing for his college coach.
 
James Robinson is not paid millions of dollars, has always played his heart out and perhaps overachieved by playing at this level.
His skills and lack of them are open and obvious to all.
He is man enough to let his stats speak for themselves.
He has never blamed anyone else for his flaws.
I can't say the same thing for his college coach.

I think these thoughts about James are perfect.

However, I think your thoughts could completely apply to his college coach as well, word for word.
 
I don't want to come down too hard on James. One thing I'll say for him is that he always put out the effort. That said, I honestly won't miss him. His lack of quickness and inability to break guys down off the dribble limited our offense. His shooting was bad and never really improved throughout his career. His defense was adequate (IMO somewhat overrated but that's just me). I simply refuse to believe that one of our PG's next year won't give us a higher ceiling. Maybe we'll suffer through more turnovers, but I can live with that if we pick up penetration and better shooting.

Cruzer
Well said cruzer. We all know James's shortcomings, there are many. What is sad is that he was essentially our lone senior and we could not count on him to make even a single shot after starting decently.

Worse than that, we have other guys that should be taking more shots. James should never shoot 15 shots in a game. Whether coaching, selfishness, or the passive nature of our other players, or even the lack of athleticism to get open, at this point of the season we should have roles that are well defined and guys like Jeter and Artis or Young should be the ones taking the majority of our shots.

That said, if you have a James Robinson and you never recruit a capable 2 guard to play with him, you have nuetralized any effectiveness that he could provide. On top of this, he had no one big enough to post up down low against ACC level defenders. James was left to pass the ball around the perimeter in a largely stagnant offense.

As Cruzer has stated, there will be growing pains with what we all assume will be a freshman starting pointguard. However, I am sure we can all live with some turnovers if our offense begins to open up a little more due to some ability to drive and draw the defense out of position. I hope and think that by the end of next season, this pathetic loss to Wisconsin and Jrob will be purged from our memory bank.
 
The score was 20-10 with Pitt in control and 3 and a half mins. left in the first half. Then JD puts in a lineup of ANO, Luther (playing for the 1st time), Cam, Jones, and Robinson. How often have we used that lineup in a game? That was our chance to pull away.

Playing ANO all the minutes Dixon did was absurd. Young sat too long, and Luther should have gotten more run. In the 2nd half we took a 5 pt. lead with James, Cam, Jeter, Young, and Artis playing and had a good flow. Then Jones comes in and Artis sits. The offense sputters for a few mins, then we put Artis and ANO in the game. The offense continues to sputter, and ANO gives up 2 to Hayes and fumbles a feed inside in the paint. Now the lineup is ANO, Artis, Jeter, Robinson, and Jones. Wisky takes the lead.

Dixon lost the game by killing our momentum by running out these goofy lineups that were not used all year.
 
Point taken.

Everything but the millions of dollars, and yes, that makes all the difference.
It doesn't make all the difference but it makes a big difference.
It's too late for me to launch into the willingness of any executive to get into the deficiencies of their employees/players yet never mention what they get wrong. But it does apply in JDs case. I have yet to hear him say "that one is on me".
 
It doesn't make all the difference but it makes a big difference.
It's too late for me to launch into the willingness of any executive to get into the deficiencies of their employees/players yet never mention what they get wrong. But it does apply in JDs case. I have yet to hear him say "that one is on me".
Really?

I know for absolute certain that I've heard him say that time and time again on his post game shows. In fact, he's used those exact words -- "that's on me" -- many, many times.

Going further, on his point game shows, he has apologized to fans (too many times over the last two years, sadly) about how his team has played and talked about how it's responsibility to make them play better.

Seriously -- I think you are off base on this one.
 
I can say that the loss effected me for about an hour and thats it. This team just hasn't entered my DNA and losses are only very minor deals.

My only desire to see Dixon move on is that the tournament tightness has been with us since 2008 in conference and almost forever in the Dance. It would appear to me to be impossible for him to change and relax.
 
I can say that the loss effected me for about an hour and thats it. This team just hasn't entered my DNA and losses are only very minor deals.

My only desire to see Dixon move on is that the tournament tightness has been with us since 2008 in conference and almost forever in the Dance. It would appear to me to be impossible for him to change and relax.
I don't know if this qualifies as "tournament tightness," but Dixon's strategy to emphasize defense by playing ANO rather than Luther is truly baffling. I think it is fair to say that defense has not been this team's strong suit for the past 2 years, and that in fact it has been bad. Yet in the biggest game of the year, he chose to try to win with defense. How does that make any sense?

Most would agree that North Carolina's inside game is better than Wisconsin's, and in Pitt's ACC tournament game against UNC, Luther played 18 minutes and scored 6 points. ANO played zero minutes. Luther was good enough to play against UNC, but not against Wisky? It has been clear to all that this Pitt team wins when it scores well and loses when it does not. That is not to say that defense doesn't matter, just that this team has not once shown the ability to win a low-scoring defensive game. Yet that is exactly what Dixon planned for.
 
Really?

I know for absolute certain that I've heard him say that time and time again on his post game shows. In fact, he's used those exact words -- "that's on me" -- many, many times.

Going further, on his point game shows, he has apologized to fans (too many times over the last two years, sadly) about how his team has played and talked about how it's responsibility to make them play better.

Seriously -- I think you are off base on this one.


I guess you can't hear what you aren't listening for.
 
I think the substitution pattern was pretty ridiculous, but we lost because James couldn't make the easiest and most wide open shots. I think James was a nice player for this program and represented the University as well as anyone, but the bottom line is that he just couldn't make enough shots for us in many games and last night too. James had about 7 wide open looks last night and couldn't even hit one. When we were up 34-29, we had 3 great looks at open 3's and missed them all, if we just hit one of them, I think we win.

James took 15 shots or 2 more than Artis/Young combined. He is not programmed nor is Pitt programmed to do this. I don't know if JRob decided to put the team on his back, but when he has 15 shot attempts and only 4 assists, you know that our offense was not functioning like it usually does.
 
Wow, everyone is so tough on Robinson. He was never recruited to be an offensive-minded PG. Nobody did anything in this game, especially Mike Young. And wouldn't Robinson seem to be a bit more effective if he actually had a shooting guard who could actually shoot? Yes, Robinson missed a lot of shots, but at least he did other things like play tough defense and grab 11 rebounds. Perhaps if anyone else had stepped up offensively, Robinson wouldn't have taken so many shots. The movement on offense was almost nil. Watch the half-assed off-ball screening-it's pathetic at this point in the season. There is a reason we were a 10 seed-we played inconsistently all season. Having said all of this, I still think Luther should have played more to see if he could have at least grabbed a couple of offensive rebounds for easy putbacks, as well as prevent some of their offensive rebounds in the 2nd half. He could have played for Young, because Young was pretty worthless yesterday, and Dixon still could have played this grad transfer centers. This game was maddening, but the outcome shouldn't have been that surprising after this up and down season. I know, it's still disappointing.

Thought it was VERY telling about Mike Young when Jeter started the 2nd half instead of Young. This was an enigmatic team full of enigmatic individuals. Inconsistent doesn't really even begin to describe this team this year. The word inconsistent is also a gross understatement when it comes to describing the play of several of the players, too, from game to game and sometimes even within games. "Maddening" and "disappointing" for sure. It really has to change, too. Soon.
 
They had two positions in a row with shot clock violations I think a lot of the bad shots are the result of needing to to shoot before the shot clock goes off. They set the worse screens I've ever seen the defenders just runs right through or past the screener.
 
I don't know if this qualifies as "tournament tightness," but Dixon's strategy to emphasize defense by playing ANO rather than Luther is truly baffling. I think it is fair to say that defense has not been this team's strong suit for the past 2 years, and that in fact it has been bad. Yet in the biggest game of the year, he chose to try to win with defense. How does that make any sense?

Most would agree that North Carolina's inside game is better than Wisconsin's, and in Pitt's ACC tournament game against UNC, Luther played 18 minutes and scored 6 points. ANO played zero minutes. Luther was good enough to play against UNC, but not against Wisky? It has been clear to all that this Pitt team wins when it scores well and loses when it does not. That is not to say that defense doesn't matter, just that this team has not once shown the ability to win a low-scoring defensive game. Yet that is exactly what Dixon planned for.

Lots of good posts and points in this thread -- the lack of a good shooting guard, the weird use of ANO and Luther, etc.

JD - please replace a couple of assistants so we have at least some reason - even if it isn't a good one -- to be hopeful for different results going forward...

And for goodness sakes recruit a true honest-to-goodness CENTER - enough of this 4 playing the 5 crap...

Go Pitt.
 
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