What’s wrong with that? So the people of WV have to go elsewhere for an arts or humanities degree. In business tough decisions have to get made when some things aren’t sustainable and there are tons of struggling schools out there. I feel bad for those impacted by this, but life comes at you fast sometimes. I was once a victim of a reorganization. It’s not fun. But life goes on. And in this case I know people will use anything they can to pile on the hoopies. But I won’t.
West Virginia University Is Everything That’s Wrong With Higher Education Today
Anticipating a $45 million budget shortfall, West Virginia University president E. Gordon Gee in August moved to eliminate 32 different undergraduate and graduate programs—roughly half of them in the arts and humanities, including all foreign language programs—and cut 169 full-time faculty...www.yahoo.com
Well I'll go with your opinion on what they deserve due to
See now that’s funny. Well done.
I wonder then, who they were talking about when they wrote, "stranger to blue water." It might not have started out about West Virginia but it sure as $hit ended up about it.
I don’t know. But I’m guessing your imagination will tell you that it was about someone somewhere in West Virginia. But people who don’t need to twist the lyrics of a song to give them a sense of self worth will accept that it had nothing to do with a particular state…but if it did it would have been Maryland.
So true
Couldn’t disagree more. Language, writing , critical thinking , creativity, the arts… all such important skills and worthy pursuits .
skills that can be obtained in other ways than paying 80k to some clown professor at a university.
A bit over the top, Zelda. Making cuts due to programs not
I suppose you could teach yourself to be a doctor, too, but you'd have a hard time getting licensed. I know that's a bit hyperbolic but it's not as simple as saying some programs are more worthy of pursuit than others. No matter how much some people want to deny the necessity of these academic fields, we used to believe that understanding our history and humanity was important to growing as a species. Schools like WVU gave the residents of their state an avenue to pursue these degrees at a very high level without leaving and the state was eager to finance the college. I don't know when we convinced ourselves that college should become a purely ,for profit, endeavor but I think it does a disservice to the people who wish to stay home and go to school.
If you want a straight up “job training” school go vo tech … become a plumber or a mechanic…
He embarrasses the University of Pittsburgh with every post he makes
Look, I'm not gonna constantly go back and forth on this. I know they'd hardly been to WVa and some of them not at all. But Danoff changed it from Massachusetts to West Virginia because it sounded better and from then on they began gearing the song towards West Virginia. "Stranger to Blue water" is a perfect example. There are other examples where they began looking for reasons to insert WVa and Danoff cites some examples in the interview from the WVU sight I list below.
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You know, we can have fun and insult our rivals without being a jackass and using slurs.
Sure Jan.Look, I'm not gonna constantly go back and forth on this. I know they'd hardly been to WVa and some of them not at all. But Danoff changed it from Massachusetts to West Virginia because it sounded better and from then on they began gearing the song towards West Virginia. "Stranger to Blue water" is a perfect example. There are other examples where they began looking for reasons to insert WVa and Danoff cites some examples in the interview from the WVU sight I list below.
The fact is, it's sung about WVa, not about MA, Maryland or Virginia, and we adopted it, so what difference does it make? I mean, everything in that song reeks of the state of West Virginia and how we feel about it. This is a good interview.
Take Me Home, Country Roads - West Virginia University Athletics
Bill Danoff, pictured here to the left with his former wife Taffy Nivert and John Denver, perform "Take Me Home, Country Roads" at the official dedication
I agree that everyone should have some exposure to topics like and some should be specialists so they can teach and work in the field. But does there need to be entire departments in every school or can schools using visiting profs to teach fewer classes?
Probably because those departments are typically pretty profitable. Article states it as well. And I can believe that because some of those more popular elective classes are huge. One professor for a hundred students or more at some of the bigger schools. At the end of the day, it's not the professor teaching antiquities that's causing the shortfall. It's the admin above them that are blowing up the budget and that problem really isn't unique to universities, either. It's sort of like blaming a dog's tail for the dog walking into a wall.
it's such a silly and pathetic argument from pitt fans. it really is. Enjoy your song and ignore this.Look, I'm not gonna constantly go back and forth on this. I know they'd hardly been to WVa and some of them not at all. But Danoff changed it from Massachusetts to West Virginia because it sounded better and from then on they began gearing the song towards West Virginia. "Stranger to Blue water" is a perfect example. There are other examples where they began looking for reasons to insert WVa and Danoff cites some examples in the interview from the WVU sight I list below.
The fact is, it's sung about WVa, not about MA, Maryland or Virginia, and we adopted it, so what difference does it make? I mean, everything in that song reeks of the state of West Virginia and how we feel about it. This is a good interview.
Take Me Home, Country Roads - West Virginia University Athletics
Bill Danoff, pictured here to the left with his former wife Taffy Nivert and John Denver, perform "Take Me Home, Country Roads" at the official dedication
I agree that admin costs are the biggest driver. But you really shied away from my question. The departments they are cutting are those typically associated with low-income jobs for grads with those degrees.
I don't think any business ever avoided a profit center just because the consumer's outcomes were typically poor. There are actually entire business models that depend on ignoring consumer outcomes.
Again, you shied away from the question - which included the condition that schools pay for loans from which they benefited.
Just as none of us, including the author of the hit piece, aren’t qualified to speak to the inner details of WVU’s budget, and how they will best see their way out of their financial predicament.
Just not sure how to answer your question because the question doesn't make sense in any context. Just about every loan for just about anything you can purchase negates profits. Student loans, with the way they're constructed, would make every course of study a bad bet if the school had to pay for it. But that is all pretty far from the point.
Not sure about the author's qualifications but WVU is a public university so their financial information would be available for scrutiny and he did outline what got WVU into this predicament. Just for the sake of comparison, IUP is pretty much in the same boat having spent money to build up housing and other services to facilitate grown, only to see admissions go down.
But like... you can get plenty of jobs studying what you're probably classifying as dead end degrees.
State schools, absolutely right. There are plenty of foo foo schools for those who want to flit about and party for five years, to get their “Mrs” degrees, and/or to be indoctrinated in the fringe left or fringe right politics. State schools should certainly offer some humanities, Lit, Art History, Music History, etc for the ‘well rounding’ aspect but concentrate on STEM, because that’s what our country and particularly a state like Wv desperately need.
I guess my point is that they have a plan and are doing what they think is the best way out of it. One can look at financials but that doesn’t tell the whole tale. And sadly there are always going to be victims in these situations and someone is going to be unhappy.
And I'm not going to disagree with that part of it other than Disney's mission is very different than a public university. It's also likely that the risk in making those moves are quite different as well.
