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Guillermo? I don't see him ever getting a lot more PT than what he does now. He's not a true center. He's not a true anything. Does he not scare you with the ball? He makes some of the most routine passes become an adventure sometimes.
You didn't answer my question. Let me simplify it. How many ACC teams have made 3 of the last 5 tourneys?
Another point you continue to ignore is that Capel inherited a complete dumpster fire. Even if you want to stick with your completely arbitrary 3/5 standard, when do you start that clock? No way it should started before year 4 given his situation. So your 1/6 theme is completely insane.
Well considering I said it would be after next season which would be 1/7 it's an incredibly fair take. But you guys are right. Let's wait an entire decade to decide. Maybe not even then. If we get to year 15 and the program is treading water, let's evaluate then. We, on the message board, have zero say unless we're writing the buyout check. So discussing it means absolutely nothing.
Not every coach was coming into a dumpster fire like Capel was at Pitt at the most inopportune time. Like I said, not every situation is the same.
And since then, with the patience, Capel has been turning things around. Again, another factor that may not be the same as other coaching situations.
When a coach is taking over a program after someone is being fired, do you think they're able to take over a program that has such low expectations that 3 conference wins merits an extension? This was a dream scenario for a coach to take over and had UConn not been open we may have landed Hurley.
Because years 1-3 were spent trying to build a roster from nothing and were before the portal.
Can you at least acknowledge that starting in year 1 is completely insane?
He had 8 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists against 1 seed North Carolina. And only played 21 minutes.
Blake Hinson played all 40 minutes and had 1 rebound against North Carolina. This has been Hinson's problem all year long and why he is no where near as hard to repace as people think. He's weak and very inconsistent on the glass, and he is a below average defender and was one of the weakest defensive players on our entire roster. Maybe the weakest outside the stretch of games no one knew what planet Fede was on.
Hinson = Champ. Elite offense capability, bad defense.
Give me Troutman all day long over both of them.
Your “decade” is only a number. Realistically the clock started last year. What happened before that isn’t really relevant except to those who are looking to paint an ugly picture. This is clearly a different program now. It’s fully on him now. No excuses and it’s been two good years.
Not impressed with GDG.
I don't think Hinson is THAT hard to replace either if you're talking all-around game. At least he shouldn't be.
Always the example. But as I said on the pay board, that would be a tough ask for even a louisville to pull off next year. But Pitt ain’t louisville. And without knowing, I assume ISU had more resources than what JC had here when he arrived.
I watched those games. Guys standing around on the offensive end, no ball movement, just throwing up 3s, and Carrington like a black hole with the ball trying to force it very time he touched it. Poor effort and rotation on the defensive end. Bad body language and sulking everywhere you look. I remember thinking to myself this team is rudderless, undisciplined, they need a strong coach, and they don't have one.
So I don;t necessarily disagree with you on the injury issues, but we could have, should have played a lot better team basketball, with a lot better effort, shot selection, etc., than we did in that first several ACC games, and if we had, chances are we'd have won at least 1-2 of them and made the tournament.
True, but circumstances matter. You can't simply state NCAAT or fired.
The thread is stupid at this time because there are a lot of moving parts that need sorted out before next season even begins. If Capel doesn't get the financial support he needs to retain or build his roster, it's all irrelevant and a moot point.
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Big ***** though
This teams was ABSOLUTELY and NCAAT team. It is clear as day. In my mind, the season was success because he delivered an NCAAT resume but was kept out due to 5 bid stealers + Colorado, Miss St, and A&M winning their ways in. That's literally 8 fewer bids right there. If just 4 of those 8 go our way, we get in.
You can blame him for the schedule but even then you could say he thought WVU and Mizzou would be good.
Interesting you bring up Painter because at that time I said they should go after him because Purdue fans werent happy with all his early exits and could be looking for a scenery change.
And literally the opposite happened last year to get Pitt in… so the luck evens out.
By definition, this is not an NCAA tournament team.
Everything has changed and seems to change by year, but the way the committee used to put teams in, there was first a voting system on a handful of teams, then each committee member had to rank each team in a pod, say, 8 for example teams had to be ranked in order of who should get in.
And you know darn well that Scott Barnes not only did not have Pitt on the bubble as a vote, but he voted us last every time in the selection process.
It only takes 1 or 2 knuckleheads on the committee to completely skew the seeding and knock a team out. Which is why we finished behind the likes of Indiana State and their terrible resume.
Indiana State had a much better NET than Pitt, in fact the highest ever to be left out of the tournament.
So the tin foil hats are now out because it wasn’t enough to risk his entire career on hiring Kevin Stallings, he now has to have it out for Pitt 8 years later. He has been plotting his revenge on how he can take out on a bubble Pitt team for 8’years and he finally got Pitt back?
You meat riders sure invent some insane conspiracies. If you work hard enough, you’ll get Scott Barnes charged with the JFK assassination
I cant say we didnt get in because of Barnes but that was obviously 1 vote against us going in.
Some truth to this but this year's team has a better resume. Capel did a great job to actually improve on last year's team and did it with freshmen, and not Micky D's freshmen. A non-Micky D's freshmen backcourt on the verge of the tournament? That honestly may never happen again. These types of freshmen dont play large roles anymore.
I suppose my only point is, many posters seem to think Capel is off the hot seat. I don't think he has done enough over 6 years for his seat to be entirely comfortable. I also don't think it's roasting hot, but it could get there if next year is another March blank.
A non-Micky D's freshmen backcourt on the verge of the tournament? That honestly may never happen again.
Jesus H Christ do you come up with some bizarre, sweeping statements.
I stand by what I said. I dont think you'll ever see a non-McD AA freshman freshman backcourt in the NCAAT. Its not 2019 anymore. All upperclass portal dudes.
Who’s on the roster , how much money does he have to work with to retain and sign portal players , does the team have any injuries to vital players ?
He’s proved he can coach and you’d love nothing better than he lays an egg and get fired . Guess he wouldn’t sign your Pitt jersey , but you’ve been anti Capel and staff for yrs ….no use denying it because you have . He’s going nowhere unless its his choice and I don’t get the impression that’s his intentions.
They really should be 2/6 right now . Pitt got hosed this yr . ( and his bosses know )
It will not be lost on those that matter that this team started playing a quality of Bb that will start filling up the Pete again . If anything an extension is coming .
1) they’re not gonna extend him. Maybe after next year.
2) yes. BidStealers, the stupid non use of the eye test, last 10, extremely unlucky. I 100 percent agree… however, beat Mizzou, play one other good non conference game probably still in and…
3) last year the exact opposite luck happened. If you remember we laid 2 stinkers to end the season, thought it was over, then everything broke right and made it. These things tend to even out.
4) there is not one point where I’m advocating to change coaches this year in this thread. Nor necessarily next…
5) if we do not make it next year and we are 1/7, the ceiling of what this program can be with Capel next to be examined. That’s it. I don’t understand why that’s such a hot take
You might be surprised to find out that 1/7 is more than acceptable to the real insiders from Pitt.
Because they know that "7" is a garbage number for one thing.
lol ok. Would love to know who these “real insiders” are. The Capel Bro’s?
7 is the amount of seasons. 23.5 million would be the amount of money spent to make on just his salary to make that one tourney.
If you think those aren’t significant numbers in college athletics, not sure what to tell you. What program would be ok with this outside of the fans on this board? Penn State, DePaul, Georgia Tech, etc. and they spend significantly less $ on salaries and budget than Pitt who is in top 25 in the country in both.
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