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Boy , I’d like you to show me that . Who wants to watch a bad team play ? You probably enjoyed watching Pitts loss to Wisconsin which set modern bb back 75 yrs .
Everything being equal I’d rather see exciting bb I guess you wouldn’t ? What does that say about you ?
Ps ... I guess the fact that attendance was steadily decreasing once Pitt joined the ACC says nothing about how the general public felt about the entertainment value of Pitt bb !
But obsessed with a player who was on a historically awful team who didn’t win
Hate this argument so much. You’re looking at a. Exceptionally small sample size of like 5 or 6 years.
The fact is, you don’t have to play a run and gun system to succeed in the tournament. You don’t have to be loaded with NBA talent. System basketball can work.
Louisville won without superstars. Villanova did it. Gonzaga made the finals, again, without superstars Wisconsin had frank kaminski and beat a loaded Kentucky team.
This whole argument is lazy.
JD’s last year. You literally said after we lost to TJ warren and NC state where he scored 40 points you’d rather have “exciting players” and go 6-12 in league than be boring and go 9-9 and make it as a ten seed.
Luckily for you, the posts that old are deleted.
Edit: was the 2014 game. Luckily for you they are gone.
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If I want an efficient shooter with severe athletic limitations, I take Stewart. If I want the best pure shooter, I take JWF. If I want the best player, I take X. Overall, I'm taking every one of those guys you named over Parker Stewart without a doubt because I want to win.
If field goal percentage was the end-all be-all of this discussion, why did Micah Mason spend his entire career languishing in irrelevance?
Mason would have helped a lot of major D1 teams. He probably should have grad transferred. Plenty of good players play for lesser teams. Mason played in a decent league which was much better when he played.
5 - 6 years isn't a small sample size and I didn't say you have to run and gun. All or most of these posts todays are silly.
JD's teams in general were always relentless on D, but his best teams were the one's that could score with people.
5-6 years of a single elimination tournament certainly is a small sample size.
It's a lifetime in college basketball and shows roster turnover, proving the system may be the problem
I happen to think Stewart is the best pure shooter of the bunch , but JWF really had a nice season . The others are not in the conversation.
Depending on my teams makeup is who I’d want . Obviously X is the best player of the bunch and Stewart is worst in all around bb skills , but If my team is really solid but lacks a shooter I’d want PS . I’ve never said he’s a great player , he’s a great shooter there is a difference .
Ps .. there’s room on a roster for specialists
Setting aside eligibility for a moment, what could ever possess you to choose Parker Stewart over JWF? JWF was just as efficient whilst contributing significantly more volume. He had a greater ability to create his own shot and was a better overall player to boot. Taking Stewart for any reason other than age is mental.
Cmon man, that Gonzaga team had multiple NBA players including a lottery pick in Zach Collins.
If I was choosing one guy as a pure shooter I’d take PS . JWF is a better overall bb player . I’d have preferred having both of them this season , might have saved Trey’s season .
All that was needed to save Trey's season was to tell him to take 10+ shots a game.
He wasn’t even the starter. Collins, much like Adams, was dragged on potential and wasn’t a huge threat while at Gonzaga.
Off the top of my head they had at least 3 guys that played in the league at some point. They were one of the most talented teams in the country that year.
The other two?
The point is you don’t need to have multiple lottery picks or star level players to be successful on the tourney.
Zach Collins was absolutely a huge threat at Gonzaga. 10 PPG in 17 MPG is insane. He shot 65% from the field and 47% from 3. He obliterated everybody he played on a per minute basis. Gonzaga also had another very good senior center at the time so they could afford to rotate them. You're drastically underselling his impact.
He was 8 for 19, before getting 16 vs ND and 26 vs BC. In case you. Did not notice, he threw up some bricks in those games as well.
Even against Syracuse, he followed up a horrible 3 air ball with a nothing but net. Problem was, once again, he did not shoot. Three shots just won't get it done.
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He just doesn’t feel comfortable shooting the ball . Now he can get in the gym and work on his game .
Looked pretty damn comfortable vs BC.
Duke 1 for 9 from three at the half. Coaches telling them to keep shooting.
Karnowski was other center, and he was considered pretty much a can’t miss NBA guy before the injuries.
Johnathan Williams plays for the Lakers now, and Nigel Williams-Goss was drafted, think he had the proverbial cup of coffee.
Josh Perkins and Karnowski were also on that team. Perkins will get his shot to stick in the NBA next year, and Karnowski would’ve been in the league other than injuries.
Perkins and Tillie were coming off the bench, hell even non heralded starter Jordan Matthews has flirted with the NBA, have seen his name in the summer league the last couple seasons.
Don’t ever be fooled by the media that still tries to act like Gonzaga is some upstart, they’ve put a ton of guys in the NBA the past decade or so, year in and year out they have as much talent or more than anyone but a couple teams in the entire country.
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