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Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
 
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Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
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I perceive you were drunk when you posted that. Perception is reality.
 
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lookslike the fraud smfraud, has a new name. same manure under a different name. Pathetic.
 
If Pitt is in rapid decline, what does that say about Indiana?
 
PittPoker said:
Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
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I am outraged. There . How's that?
 
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Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
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Couple thoughts:

1. There has been plenty of outrage. There has been plenty of demand for better.
2. PSU will have a very good recruiting class, likely ranked as a top 10 class. Does this mean PSU BB is surpassing all but 10 teams in College Hoops?
3. I'll bet you go "all in" on every hand.
 
PittPoker said:
No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.
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No reality is reality. And the reality is that during Jamie Dixon's worst 4 years is winning percentage is still much higher than Pat "It was the ref's fault" Chambers. One recruiting program does not a program make. Especially when the coach of that team is bad.

Feel free to become a PSU basketball fan whenever you want.
 
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Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
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Poker read between the lines. As I stated before 3 of the 4 recruits are from the same school It is a case of friends staying together and playing together. Pitt's best players are junior forwards , with one (young) possibly being an NBA lottery pick. That means they would have had to wait to play. Why do that when you can go to PSU and be a instant star. this doesn't mean that Dixon cannot recruit or coach. RMU just got a 6"10 center, oh no Jamie what is wrong with you. Sounds kinda stupid doesn't it. But I agree with scruffy if you still feel Pitt is on the decline.
 
DT_PITT said:
Couple thoughts:

1. There has been plenty of outrage. There has been plenty of demand for better.
2. PSU will have a very good recruiting class, likely ranked as a top 10 class. Does this mean PSU BB is surpassing all but 10 teams in College Hoops?
3. I'll bet you go "all in" on every hand.
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In addition, lets wait and see how that "class of stars" turns out before we name winners and losers ... Winning the recruiting stars game doesn't always translate into on teh floor success. Dixon still has a much better game day record than does Chalmers.
 
PittPoker said:
Another local newspaper reported the following on PSU BB...
Lamar Stevens, a 6-foot-6 forward, chose the Nittany Lions over Indiana, Marquette, Maryland, Pitt, SMU, Temple and Villanova. Stevens is rated as a 4 star recruit by Rivals.

DIXON can't recruit and now he and this program are being surpassed by PSU BB.

Where is the outrage by Pitt fans? Where is the demand for better?

No disrespect towards Kithcart but perception is reality and the reality is that Dixon is getting his A$s handed to him by coach Chambers and PSU BB.

Our program is in a rapid decline and nothing is being done about it. Sad.
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Well they are now soliciting for new season ticket packages and that is simpy because the program in NO longer in demand to see. Losing and NO NCAA appearances will do that for your program

Why?

They are not winning or advancing like in past years that is FACT ladies and gentleman FACT!
 
UP#1 said:
Well they are now soliciting for new season ticket packages and that is simpy because the program in NO longer in demand to see. Losing and NO NCAA appearances will do that for your program

Why?

They are not winning or advancing like in past years that is FACT ladies and gentleman FACT!
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Correct, we have no NCAA appearances or wins since 2014. FACT, FACT, FACT.
 
UP#1 said:
Well they are now soliciting for new season ticket packages and that is simpy because the program in NO longer in demand to see. Losing and NO NCAA appearances will do that for your program

Why?

They are not winning or advancing like in past years that is FACT ladies and gentleman FACT!
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Plus Pittsburgh is generally a horrible sports town, and that goes double for a sport that's largely dismissed such as basketball.

Even when they won big, attendance was poor relative to what it should have been if it truly is all about winning to get people out.
 
Pittbaseball11 said:
Plus Pittsburgh is generally a horrible sports town, and that goes double for a sport that's largely dismissed such as basketball.

Even when they won big, attendance was poor relative to what it should have been if it truly is all about winning to get people out.
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You'll be proven wrong when PSU Hoops plays to a packed house every game this season.
 
KiwiJeff said:
You'll be proven wrong when PSU Hoops plays to a packed house every game this season.
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if PSU's football team continues on its current path, that may actually happen. They gotta have something to get behind over there.
 
KiwiJeff said:
That's too open ended a statement to leave them.
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Don't know how good PSU bball will be this season but next season they could perennially be starting four 4 star recruits. If their coach can even coach a little, in 2016-17, they should be dang good.

Hope we can say the same for Pitt.
 
Who cares about PSU BB . Pitt doesn't play them and very seldom do they battle for recuirts . They got a good class good for them I only care how Pitt does .
 
Fine... have it your way.
Yet... Pitt would being doing better if they could beat out Penn State for recruits... So it does "matter" to Pitt. Need a good coach and good players to win. ( sometimes just talent works too.)
 
Worrying about why one kid goes somewhere seems like a waste of time . Maybe he likes even worse weather than Pgh
 
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Worrying about why one kid goes somewhere seems like a waste of time . Maybe he likes even worse weather than Pgh
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True, yes it can be. I've said this before, but I'll say it again,... I don't care WHO (locally or from china, idc) Pitt gets, I care that they get talented players. Remember tho, there are only so many top 100 kids per year (a hundred actually lol). Which means there is a limited amount available with easily 70+ big name schools competing for players to come to "their" school each year. And figure Duke and Kentucky alone, for example, take at least 2-4 of the top 100 recruits each yr, their are only "so many" to go around.

So "ultimately" losing recruits to lesser schools because we can't/don't pitch a recruit what they want to hear, even tho they probably would've started at Pitt (Carr, Stevens i.e.) anyway instead of PSU.

Out of just a pure guess, Dixon must not like to promise anything to anybody before they come cause if he did, Pitt's (recruiting) problems might not be as bad as they currently are.

Who knows, maybe Smoke or someone will land a big time recruit soon, but it might not be likely. But, who knows for sure.

Go ... Pitt
 
Sorry, PSU in any sport is irrelevant. Their sports programs should be disbanded as punishment for the heinous crimes their coaches and administration committed for decades. I don't care what sport it is. Nothing that PSU does matters one bit. They are dead.
 
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True, yes it can be. I've said this before, but I'll say it again,... I don't care WHO (locally or from china, idc) Pitt gets, I care that they get talented players. Remember tho, there are only so many top 100 kids per year (a hundred actually lol). Which means there is a limited amount available with easily 70+ big name schools competing for players to come to "their" school each year. And figure Duke and Kentucky alone, for example, take at least 2-4 of the top 100 recruits each yr, their are only "so many" to go around.

So "ultimately" losing recruits to lesser schools because we can't/don't pitch a recruit what they want to hear, even tho they probably would've started at Pitt (Carr, Stevens i.e.) anyway instead of PSU.

Out of just a pure guess, Dixon must not like to promise anything to anybody before they come cause if he did, Pitt's (recruiting) problems might not be as bad as they currently are.

Who knows, maybe Smoke or someone will land a big time recruit soon, but it might not be likely. But, who knows for sure.

Go ... Pitt
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We lose recruits to lesser schools every year, and so does every other college. Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, etc don't get all 5 and 4 stars so when one goes to another school don't you think it's the same. Winston went to MSU do you DU and UK think that's a lesser school.
If you didn't care who Pitt gets then what's your point ? Because your first and second paragraphs contradict themselves.
Who says they would have started at Pitt ? Yu don't know what Jamie "pitched " to them ?And because there roman catholic players chose to play together and not at Pitt Jamie can't recruit. FYI for you and others that say the same there is no recruiting problem. He has always recruited the same type of players. You don't know who they will pan out until they come here. What if any or all of those players decide to leave PSU. Do they still have a great class ? Does that mean chambers can or cannot recruit ? And if Jamie' s 2016 recruits stay does that mean he had a better class and can now recruit ? Think about this why did they pick PSU over other programs besides Pitt ?
 
How about these recruits take a single dribble on the court in PSU uniform before we declare that Penn State basketball has surpassed Pitt basketball.

Because, you know, it, uh, hasn't as far as postseason appearances and W-L record in general goes.
 
There's too many reason to list why someone chooses where to go to school I'll give you a few.
1.) your parents feel it's the best university for you
2.) your actually a student and they have the major you want
3.) some of your friends go there
4.) it's closer to home so your family can watch you play
5.) you want to play in that conference
6.) you wanted to play at OSU and they didn't want you so you went somewhere so you can play against them
7.) you bonded with the coach,assistant ,or players
8.) weather
9.) family in the area
10.) you grew up there and moved
11.) style of play
12.) PT
13.) maybe your not a student and they have cupcake majors for athletes
14.) GIRLFRIEND
15.) urban vs rural vs college town
16.) media coverage
17.) perks outside of NCAA regulations
18.) add more if you'd like
Like I said why some kid chooses not to go to Pitt is no big deal why all the kids Pitt really wants go elsewhere is.
 
Fsgolfdr said:
There's too many reason to list why someone chooses where to go to school I'll give you a few.
1.) your parents feel it's the best university for you
2.) your actually a student and they have the major you want
3.) some of your friends go there
4.) it's closer to home so your family can watch you play
5.) you want to play in that conference
6.) you wanted to play at OSU and they didn't want you so you went somewhere so you can play against them
7.) you bonded with the coach,assistant ,or players
8.) weather
9.) family in the area
10.) you grew up there and moved
11.) style of play
12.) PT
13.) maybe your not a student and they have cupcake majors for athletes
14.) GIRLFRIEND
15.) urban vs rural vs college town
16.) media coverage
17.) perks outside of NCAA regulations
18.) add more if you'd like
Like I said why some kid chooses not to go to Pitt is no big deal why all the kids Pitt really wants go elsewhere is.
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Why is it a big deal !!!! Pitt has never pulled in 2-3 consensus 4-5 star payers. Everybody PITT wants doesn't go somewhere else. And you send letters to 50 different players. Remember Winston narrowed it down to 3 schools how many other s offered. So what you saying doesn't make sense. Every school loses player s they want. Duke doesn't get every one, neither r does Kentucky or Louisville. If there are so many reasons why list any, why not just leave it at that. Those players have yet to sign at PSU and could change their minds. Even if they don't does that make them better ? (Some) Pitt fans talk a lot of nonsense. lets stop crying about who we didn't get and support who we did
 
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Why is it a big deal !!!! Pitt has never pulled in 2-3 consensus 4-5 star payers. Everybody PITT wants doesn't go somewhere else. And you send letters to 50 different players. Remember Winston narrowed it down to 3 schools how many other s offered. So what you saying doesn't make sense. Every school loses player s they want. Duke doesn't get every one, neither r does Kentucky or Louisville. If there are so many reasons why list any, why not just leave it at that. Those players have yet to sign at PSU and could change their minds. Even if they don't does that make them better ? (Some) Pitt fans talk a lot of nonsense. lets stop crying about who we didn't get and support who we did
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Your missing my point that there's a multitude of reasons someone goes to a particular school. Losing a recuirt to PSU or MSU or to Fordum isn't really important as long as your get some of the players you targeted as priorities . Unfortunately Pitts been losing most of these battles. Making it to the final 2,3,4,5 what's the difference if your not 1.
 
Fsgolfdr said:
Your missing my point that there's a multitude of reasons someone goes to a particular school. Losing a recuirt to PSU or MSU or to Fordum isn't really important as long as your get some of the players you targeted as priorities . Unfortunately Pitts been losing most of these battles. Making it to the final 2,3,4,5 what's the difference if your not 1.
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First, there IS something wrong in recruiting. I have said that privately to peope n here for a few years now.

Second, that doesn't mean we are doomed. OPF, while I hate to agree with him, is not totally wrong in that we have very rarely signed multiple 4/5-star players in bunches. We have built with 3-star guys allowed to mature and develop. That model worked before and there is no reason it won't work now. The chasing top stars model has never worked here.

Third, there IS something we can take from finishing 2nd, 3rd etc for a kid. If Dixon were the complete zero personality-wise that the haters are now trying to push as their agenda of the week, we wouldn't be in the final 3, 4 or 5. We'd be eliminated much earlier if he completely turned kids off that much. I'm not white-washing him for our problems recruiting. He is the head coach and the buck has to stop at his desk.

But, finishing close on kids tells me the problem should be solvable, with some relatively minor tweaking. We did change some things this Fall. We went stronger at some secondary targets much earlier and we went "all-in", sending multiple coaches to visit targets.

I think we were still late to offer some of the secondary guys and that internal differences still exist about WHICH secondary kids we should target. A relatively local kid who we were on early like Dylan Painter, at a position of some need should not have slipped through the cracks like he did. Likewise, a shooter (Myles Powell) from the AAU program we have been closest to NJ Playaz, shoud have been offered earlier and shown more love. Those are structural things that we should be able to work out.
 
Harve74 said:
First, there IS something wrong in recruiting. I have said that privately to peope n here for a few years now.

Second, that doesn't mean we are doomed. OPF, while I hate to agree with him, is not totally wrong in that we have very rarely signed multiple 4/5-star players in bunches. We have built with 3-star guys allowed to mature and develop. That model worked before and there is no reason it won't work now. The chasing top stars model has never worked here.

Third, there IS something we can take from finishing 2nd, 3rd etc for a kid. If Dixon were the complete zero personality-wise that the haters are now trying to push as their agenda of the week, we wouldn't be in the final 3, 4 or 5. We'd be eliminated much earlier if he completely turned kids off that much. I'm not white-washing him for our problems recruiting. He is the head coach and the buck has to stop at his desk.

But, finishing close on kids tells me the problem should be solvable, with some relatively minor tweaking. We did change some things this Fall. We went stronger at some secondary targets much earlier and we went "all-in", sending multiple coaches to visit targets.

I think we were still late to offer some of the secondary guys and that internal differences still exist about WHICH secondary kids we should target. A relatively local kid who we were on early like Dylan Painter, at a position of some need should not have slipped through the cracks like he did. Likewise, a shooter (Myles Powell) from the AAU program we have been closest to NJ Playaz, shoud have been offered earlier and shown more love. Those are structural things that we should be able to work out.
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harve thank you for agreeing with me. And your answer makes more sense than most posters. As you stated there isn't a major problem with recruiting it needs to tweaking in maybe identifying players earlier. But recruiting is a two way street in Pitt being down a little the last two years doesn't help. Wining this year will change that. But I do have a question for you. why do you "hate to agree with me" on a topic? Just curious.
 
oldpantherfan said:
harve thank you for agreeing with me. And your answer makes more sense than most posters. As you stated there isn't a major problem with recruiting it needs to tweaking in maybe identifying players earlier. But recruiting is a two way street in Pitt being down a little the last two years doesn't help. Wining this year will change that. But I do have a question for you. why do you "hate to agree with me" on a topic? Just curious.
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We've had our differences on various topics, most frequently on topics when I had some "inside" information and you wouldn't budge from your personal opinions. Hey, opinions are what the whole message board concept is about. There are a few people who actually know a lot about what is happening behind the scenes and sometimes I talk with them. I probably share more than I should have over the years.
Things don't always happen as the staff and true insiders think. We certainly just saw that with Maliek White. That doesn't mean the information wasn't good, just that things changed.
I'm not an insider and a lot of what I post is just my opinion too. I try to differentiate between my opinion and information I've been told or heard. And, my opinions change when I get more information or somebody makes a good point. The reality of most situations is always more complex than knee jerk reactions on here. Your point that Pitt will find it harder to recruit the further from #1 seeds we are is valid and is, really, what many Dixon doubters are saying, too.
 
Now I agree that Pitt never except in Smith ,Lane ,Shorter years recuirted with the elite schools and when Pitt had its best success it was with a mature ,physical team and with sound fundamentals. Add a Bliar to your team now you have something special , it doesn't take five special players. Pitt will not commit the resources or break the rules to the extent needed to land the elite players who are being sought by the true elite programs so why waste your energy and resources on kids who historically wouldn't come here. Winston because of the Smoke connection was worth the try ,but after the guy you really wanted turns you down your next choice knows why your now showing him the love. Now where do you go if your that kid , a school who turns to you after their priority turned them down or a program whose made you a priority from day one ? If I have a problem with Pitts recuriting is that they need to make an effort to find kids who will stay 4/5'years mature physically and become that team with players who win the most improved awards year after year . Maybe your an inch or two shorter than the elite kids or your a little skinny at 17 , etc these are the kids Pitt needs to build their program on not the elites because they don't go to Pitt and when they do they don't stay long enough to make an impact.
 
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