I saw something last night that said the buyout drops after June of 2025. That would be weird but so is bringing in a coach that is older than the shotgun formation.
Bill Belichick to UNC
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Tom Brady is not merely one player. He’s a generation talent. His drive and leadership in addition to his talent drove them to win 6 Super Bowls. He’s a rare athlete who can elevate the play of everyone around him.
Belichick is a good coach, not great. If he has the players, he’s like any other coach. He wins
Players win games. And when you have a generational talent and great surveillance equipment, you win 6 Super Bowls.
*Belichick won 6 Super Bowls with Tom Brady as QB. He’s won ZERO without him, while Brady has won one without him…
*Belichick has one winning season in the last 4 years of coaching without Brady and ZERO playoff wins.
*In short, he’s had only TWO winning seasons in NINE years (5 with the Browns, 4 with the Pats) of being a HC without Brady. That’ll get you fired by every franchise but the Pittsburgh Steelers. Record: 85-102
Those are the facts and they are undisputed.
Can he win at UNC? Absolutely, if he has the players. But this talk about National Championships is ludicrous. No evidence exists the he can win at a high level without Brady. None…
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So does Bill Parcells get no credit for being the HC???? He won those Super Bowls with Jeff Hostetler and Phil Simms…,What about Tom Coughlin???
Wait until you realize how many college volleyball players transfer every year.
The only difference is that so far we have been much more the beneficiary of that rather than on the short end of the stick.
Yeah for sure it’s hard to win without a great QB. But to suggest that it was all Brady and BB just came along for the ride is really disingenuous (there are other less flattering adjectives ).
Nobody is taking anything away from Bill Parcells, Jeff Hostetler, or whoever. Football is a team sport and they all played their role in winning a Superbowl(s).
I was pointing out that your “undisputed facts” were not incorrect.
A lot of people point out that he had a generational talent at QB in Brady. He won a few super bowls early on when Brady wasn't an all pro QB. I think Brady was in the league for 6 years b4 he got his 1st all-pro status. He also won 11 games with Matt Cassell at QB when Brady was hurt. Don't get it twisted, BB is a phenomenal coach. Whether or not that translates to UNC, we'll find out.
Well said. As we all know and have all seen NFL HC success often doesn’t translate to college, and vice versa. Two very different jobs.
He also had Gronk, arguably the best tightend to ever play the game.
He also won a super bowl with the likes of:
Antowain Smith - RB
David Patten - WR
Kevin Faulk - RB
JR Redmond - RB
Troy Brown - WR
Jermaine Wiggins - TE
It's funny, because I've seen the argument made the other way, too: "Brady is mid and only thrived because of those defenses Belichick was able to assemble." I have a friend who swears to this even after the Tampa Bay Super Bowl (because they "also had a great defense and he hand selected that team because of it.").
As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
This.
Brady was more of a game manager his first few years in the league, albeit one for the knack of making plays in clutch moments.
If fact, I always thought that's what set him apart from Manning, Farve, and other great QBs of his time. He was content to fall back into that role of game manager when it benefited his team, even after he became a stat sheet phenom back in 2007.
As for BB, 2 decades with an ever changing cast of talent around Brady speaks for itself.
Wrong! We are speaking of his accomplishments as HEAD COACH.
By your logic, Charlie Weiss is as great as Chuck Noll (4 Super Bowls, 1 with the Giants and 3 with the Patriots).
Stop the boot licking. I want to see what Belichick can do without Tom Brady. So far it ain’t good…
Going by Rivals, Wanny's top 3 classes at PItt were ranked 21, 26, and 28.
Pre-NIL, In terms of what they actually put on the field, there hasn't really been much of a difference in recruiting between Walt, Wanny, Chryst, and Narduzzi.
Personally, I would probably give a slight edge to Wanny, but I had become very comfortable with where Narduzzi's recruiting before NIL changed the game.
I think that further illustrates the point that Brady and Gronk were the vitals, and the main reason they had those superbowls. They were the two constants. I mean, give him some credit for winning superbowls with those players, but, they were role players. Brady made it work, it didn't matter who the role players were.
I think your onto something. What will they say about Andy Reid if Mahomes remains healthy his entire career? Having the GOAT at the QB position is the single most important element to winning superbowls. We shall see how great Belichick is. Can he make a ho hum Carolina team a winner?? I doubt it. Brady + Gronk won those superbowls. They even moved on to Tamp Bay and proved they could win it without Bill Belichick.
Gronk didn't join the Patriots until 2010. He didn't win a Super Bowl until 2014.
Belichick already had won 3 Super Bowls w/out him. The point was he won a bunch of games and big ones with essentially role players.
The constant was Brady and Bill.
Mike agrees - ZERO losing seasons regardless who the QB is..
The only difference is no one puts Mike in the GOAT conversation. Yet, Bill's name is ALWAYS at or near the top..
Bill Belichick to North Carolina reaction: Why college football, NFL figures either love -- or hate -- hire
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Spot on having the best QB. When comparing Reid and Belichick, I rate Reid higher. While he didn't have a Super Bowl without Mahomes, he did appear in 1 Super Bowl with Philadelphia. He only has 3 seasons out of 26 below .500, 13 of 18 seasons without Mahomes above .500 including 11 seasons with 10+ wins.
Ah, ok. Convenient for you…Well, what are your thoughts on Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson? I’d argue Jordan is the greatest of all-time, but Phil won 5 championships without him. Jordan didn’t make the finals in seven seasons without Phil.
Belichick is obviously a great coach. But no coach will great results without great players.
The coaching impact of BB isn't going to be significant at UNC, imo. You can't convince me he's going to be there longer than a couple of years. 3 tops. And I wouldn't be totally surprised if he never even coached a game on the sideline at UNC.
The significant thing here is UNC's commitment to $20 mil in NIL and whether or not they keep that kind of commitment in the future.
The coaching impact of BB isn't going to be significant at UNC, imo. You can't convince me he's going to be there longer than a couple of years. 3 tops. And I wouldn't be totally surprised if he never even coached a game on the sideline at UNC.
The significant thing here is UNC's commitment to $20 mil in NIL and whether or not they keep that kind of commitment in the future.
No, you just can’t follow…
Yeah, and Jackson had Kobe and Shaq!!! Talk about lucky!!! Players win games. Stop the homage to a fraud!
9 seasons without Brady , TWO winning seasons… FACT….If he’s a phenomenal coach, then Tomlin is the all knowing master of time and space… No losing seasons even without Ben Roethlisberger! He also did it without surveillance equipment and deflated footballs…FACT!
Tomlin > Belicheat
John Wooden was nobody until the boosters got involved and got him good players. Then he became the Wizard of Westwood… Belichick is a good coach. But this silliness of saying he’s the greatest doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
Chuck Noll built up a dynasty from nothing , but in his era players didn’t have the ability to change teams , Belichick won with free agency. Which feat is more impressive ?
You can’t compare the two because they accomplished greatness under different rules .
I’m a big Mike Tomlin fan , but the goal is to win Super Bowls not have losing seasons .
There’s never been a HOF coach who’s done it without great players . Great coaches win championships with those great players !
The only measuring stick is championships won and the record speaks for itself. ( and I hate the Pats )
You can’t compare the two because they accomplished greatness under different rules .
I’m a big Mike Tomlin fan , but the goal is to win Super Bowls not have losing seasons .
There’s never been a HOF coach who’s done it without great players . Great coaches win championships with those great players !
The only measuring stick is championships won and the record speaks for itself. ( and I hate the Pats )
Exactly. Let’s talk about all the superstar HOF RBs and WRs he had over that 20 year run.
Outside of a brief Randy Moss stint, did they ever have a starting receiver over 5’9 and/or that they drafted in the first 5 rounds?
Just straight up clownery to dismiss his coach when talking about a 20 year, 6 NFL championship dynasty. And I don’t even like the guy-but if he isn’t the best coach of all time, who the F is?
"Tom Brady is not merely one player. He’s a generation talent. His drive and leadership in addition to his talent drove them to win 6 Super Bowls.... while constantly cheating."
Bill observed Jim Harbaugh getting away with cheating in every imaginable way to win and probably couldn't help himself.
His name is Vince Lombardi. Maybe you should do some research before you listen to those idiot talking heads.
Some of you people have short memories. He had the greatest QB of all time and he still had to cheat to win. He’s a fraud and instead of accepting the evidence posters keep singing his false praises:
The Bill Belichick I DO know? The greatest cheater of all time
As part of our Sports Uncovered series of in-depth narrative podcasts produced by NBC Sports, my distinguished colleagues at NBC Sports Boston put together a podcast called, “The Bill Belichick you Don’t Know.” Turns out ol’ Bill has a sense of humor. Haha. LOL. It’s actually a fascinating...
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As for Vince Lombardi, he is without a doubt the greatest coach of all time. He turned two losing franchises into winners over night.
When he took over the Packers in 1958 their record was 1-10-1. The first year under Lombardi, they finished 7-5. The next season the Packers won the Western Conference and made it to the Championship Game, losing his only post season game. He then went on to win 5 NFL Championships in 7 seasons including 3 in a row. He then retired.
He came out of retirement and took over the Washington Redskins. The year before Lombardi got there, The Redskins finished 5-9. In his first season, the Skins finished 7-5-2. Unfortunately he passed away after the 1969 season.
He didn’t needed surveillance equipment, deflated balls and the greatest QB of all time playing for him to win.
LOMBARDI > Belicheat
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I don't think you get it. The role players were interchangeable. Do you think Julian Edelman would have been the receiver he was without Tom Brady? Brady's ability made average players better. Bill Belichick deserves some credit for discipline and culture but, he doesn't win without Brady. The stats factually back this.
Belichick is a good coach. But this silliness of saying he’s the greatest doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
It’s such a flawed proposition that literally every single person in the professional football business believes him to be the GOAT. Because most of them know that you need at least 53 players to field an NFL football team, 11 on the field all doing their jobs well to play successful offense, and if winning the most Super Bowls in league history isn’t the measure of a coach’s greatness, what exactly is?
But they’re all idiots. The PittBurgermeister-MeisterPitter is the guy that has it all figured out.
Don’t pout…Belichick is a good coach. But this silliness of saying he’s the greatest doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
It’s such a flawed proposition that literally every single person in the professional football business believes him to be the GOAT. Because most of them know that you need at least 53 players to field an NFL football team, 11 on the field all doing their jobs well to play successful offense, and if winning the most Super Bowls in league history isn’t the measure of a coach’s greatness, what exactly is?
But they’re all idiots. The PittBurgermeister-MeisterPitter is the guy that has it all figured out.
Just stating ALL the FACTS and evidence, bro. You can believe what you want….
In my opinion he is a good coach (especially on defense), but not great. Will he have success at UNC? Probably, but not any more success than Mack Brown…
The Brady Belichick synergy was a lot like the Duncan Poppovich one. Strong x's and o's coach lucks into a player so talented and fundamentally solid who also agrees to allow themselves to be coached hard, which sets a standard for the rest of the culture of the team. This encourages free agents chasing a ring to want to join this culture as well as players they drafted deciding they'd be willing to stay through free agency offers.
I don’t like the guy and what he does or doesn’t do at UNC doesn’t matter at all to this discussion. He’s the best NFL coach in history, period, based on merit-that being winning championships.
Like Belichick, Brady was the GOAT based on merit-winning championships. His greatest attributes were making quick decisions and getting the ball out quickly. He couldn’t run, had lead feet, had average NFL arm strength and was physically and athletically unimpressive. He virtually never got pressured or sacked because his O line kept him clean and he got the ball out. His receivers were open a lot. He never had a high quality running back yet the NE run game was always effective enough to make the defense defend against it. The defense was consistently excellent without superstar personnel. You don’t believe the coach and the scheme were responsible for all of that? And as of that isn’t enough, Belichick was also the GM for that entire 20 year run.
Do you think Brady would have any Super Bowl wins if he had played for, say, the Lions for those same 20 years? Without Belichick, he probably never even would have been drafted.
Lucked into Brady?
Brady was in line to be a UDFA. He started 2 years at Michigan, put up meh numbers, split time with Drew Henson his senior year, and had a weak combine. Belichick had identified him before the draft as a player with the intangibles necessary to win in the NFL. Nobody else did. Brady is the lucky one. He likely wouldn’t have been drafted at all, and if he’d have gone to any other coach or team, he probably never would have seen the field.
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