Until it isn't and they decide that winning games doesn't matter because you didn't pass the eye test or your best player is injured. There is no real criteria just a bunch of shadowy figures in a smokey room picking the best teams. The absurdity of it all for a multi billion dollar industry is comical.
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No, that would make Kansas' or Oklahoma State's win over Oklahoma the best win of the year. Of course, South Alabama did beat Oklahoma State back in September when Texas beat Alabama. So what is most clear is that South Alabama would have killed Alabama if they played in September....... and so it goes.
Right, so sometimes when you lose matters and sometimes it doesn't.
Which is just another way of saying that when you lose doesn't really matter, only if you lose.
There has never been an undefeated P5 left out in favor of a 1 or 2 loss team. There has never been a 1 loss P5 left out in favor of a two loss team. In the rankings this week, of the ranked P5 teams here is their number of losses, in order:
0-0-0-0-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-2-3-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4
It's almost as if that number in the loss column is really important.
Look, its clear that you're arguing just because you don't like me. It's common knowledge that early losses are less significant. The only reason it is in the discussion this year is because 2 contenders played in that early game. If Alabama had lost to Oregon State, there would be little discussion of them being left out vs Texas.
I've not debated the loss column number so I don't know who this straw man is you're with is.
Actually that isn't common knowledge at all. As you yourself just admitted. Sometimes late losses made absolutely no difference at all. You can't agree that sometimes late losses don't matter, and then at the same time argue that early losses are less significant.
It has ALWAYS been true that the total number of losses has been THE most important thing. Not when they happened, THAT they happened.
That is a simple fact, whether you want to admit it or not.
I've not argued against total losses. Of course total losses matter. There's that straw man again.
1 Michigan vs 4 Alabama
2 Washington vs 3 Texas
Played out like I thought it would. It would not surprise me at all though if FSU gets in because they had them at #4 coming in. If you ranked FSU #4 coming in, how could you justify jumping Texas over them since they were ranked #7 and FSU had the better on-paper win today over #14 Louisville. So the committee backed themselves into a corner. Not sure why they even rank these teams so early. I never liked that.
FSU has a major major problem though. Alabama has the best win. Texas has the 2nd best win. Both teams have good losses. FSU doesnt have a loss but doesnt have a QB and the predictive metrices that they do use would show that FSU would be a pretty massive underdog against any of the 4 other teams and also would probably be a 2 TD dog in the Orange vs Georgia.
2 Washington vs 3 Texas
Played out like I thought it would. It would not surprise me at all though if FSU gets in because they had them at #4 coming in. If you ranked FSU #4 coming in, how could you justify jumping Texas over them since they were ranked #7 and FSU had the better on-paper win today over #14 Louisville. So the committee backed themselves into a corner. Not sure why they even rank these teams so early. I never liked that.
FSU has a major major problem though. Alabama has the best win. Texas has the 2nd best win. Both teams have good losses. FSU doesnt have a loss but doesnt have a QB and the predictive metrices that they do use would show that FSU would be a pretty massive underdog against any of the 4 other teams and also would probably be a 2 TD dog in the Orange vs Georgia.
Worst offense in NCAA history. Also 10-3 and great bowl game. Such is life in the Big Ten
You seem to not know what a straw man is.
Total losses matters much more than when a team lost. The fact that teams have lost their last game and still made it, and that teams have lost early and still made it, shows you that you can't make a blanket statement like "it's common knowledge that early losses are less significant". As you yourself have admitted, sometimes early losses don't matter much at all. And as you have agreed with, sometimes late losses don't matter at all.
If sometimes early losses don't matter as much and sometimes they do, and sometimes late losses matter a whole lot and other times they don't matter at all, then by definition WHEN you lose isn't really all that important. It's THAT you lost, and WHO you lost to, that matter.
No competition that year and they won @ #5 11-1 ND. You couldn't make any case to leave them out
Washington played a legit schedule. Michigan needed to beat 2 teams all year.
It's true. If Oregon x 2 cancels out Ohio State and Penn State, the rest of Washington's schedule is more impressive than Michigan's.
Exactly, Florida State just beat the #14 team by 10 with their third string QB on a neutral site and they were #4 last week. How can anyone justify dropping them if you look at it objectively? I don't think Florida State is one of the four best teams without Travis but winning all your games has to matter.
You keep making the same straw man argument. I see no sense in continuing this clown world circle.
1 Michigan vs 4 Alabama
2 Washington vs 3 FSU
Washington vs Alabama
Alabama wins.
I agree, there is no sense continuing to discuss something with someone who won't even acknowledge what they have already said and isn't smart enough to understand the clear implications of what they said.
Here is what I said. An early loss matters less than a late loss. That was all I said until you stated that I was arguing against total losses mattering. Then I agreed that total losses matter than when losses occur.
So I have no idea what you thought I said. I don't think you do either.
Unless they've changed it, Texas and Okla play each other in Dallas every year. Ironically, Oklahoma University Is actually closer to the field than Univ of Texas.
If FSU gets in, you have to make them 4 since you are giving their opponent a virtual bye. FSU isnt going to score in their playoff game
There is an enormous gap in talent between the No. 14 and even the No. 6 or 7 let alone top 4. Travis isn’t coming back so it’s how much you trust the backup to get the job done.
GOAT
Wasnt too hard guys. Norvell was a moron for playing Travis vs girls. This isnt an indictment of the ACC. With Travis, they are 100% in.
Calling GOAT on that a little much, Pinnacle Sportsbook had Alabama -300 to make it over FSU this morning.
It happens way too frequently, easiest to just ignore him when he makes those stupid claims.
I think a heavy majority figured this was going to be the result, most if not all the debate was whether one agreed with it.
IMO, this was a disgusting decision by the committee.
FL ST played 2 OOC games against P5 teams and won them both. They were SEC teams LSU and FL.
ALA played 1 OOC game against a P5 team and lost. It was Texas.
Common opponents: FL ST beat LSU by 3 TDs as opposed to ALA beating them by 2 TDs.
Conference strength: The ACC had a winning record against the SEC this year. The SEC had a losing OOC record against the other P5 conferences.
FL ST played 10 P5 tams and went 10-0. Regular season
ALA played 9 P5 teams and went 8-1. Regular season.
When we start deciding game outcomes based on injury reports, we have gone down a dangerous rabbit hole.
Travesty.
FL ST played 2 OOC games against P5 teams and won them both. They were SEC teams LSU and FL.
ALA played 1 OOC game against a P5 team and lost. It was Texas.
Common opponents: FL ST beat LSU by 3 TDs as opposed to ALA beating them by 2 TDs.
Conference strength: The ACC had a winning record against the SEC this year. The SEC had a losing OOC record against the other P5 conferences.
FL ST played 10 P5 tams and went 10-0. Regular season
ALA played 9 P5 teams and went 8-1. Regular season.
When we start deciding game outcomes based on injury reports, we have gone down a dangerous rabbit hole.
Travesty.
Yeah, I pretty much made all those comparisons myself yesterday and agree with you on all of them.
Throw in the gift Auburn gave Bama and …..???
Actually what you said was that early losses matter less than late losses, and then you agreed that sometimes teams have actually lost their last game (meaning as late as absolutely possible) and still made it, which meant that their late loss didn't matter at all.
It isn't actually possible for a loss to matter less than not at all.
So the problem here isn't what I thought you said, it's that YOU apparently don't know what you said. Well, either that or you don't understand that not mattering at all is as little as something can possibly matter.
I'm obviously occupying so much of your brain that it can't function properly.
Well if anyone would know about a brain not functioning properly it would be you.
You apparently can't even remember what you posted.
I know exactly what I posted. I also know that you can't comprehend simple English based on your interpretation of it.
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