Copa America Draw

[Sean Miller Fan]

On Thursday

Pot 1
USA
Mexico
Argentina
Brazil

Pot 2
Uruguay
Colombia
Ecuador
Peru

Pot 3
Chile
Panama
Venezuela
Paraguay

Pot 4
Jamaica
Bolivia
Canada/TT
CR/Honduras

Best possible group for USMNT in my opinion

Peru
Venezuela
Bolivia

 

[121rum]

Might be good to get a tough group for this tho, would be a good test and if they flame out, it could force them moving on from GGG

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Might be good to get a tough group for this tho, would be a good test and if they flame out, it could force them moving on from GGG

I cant imagine that they dont get out of the group considering we were placed in Pot 1 but if they dont, then Berhalter would have to go. So maybe we should root for that?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I cant imagine that they dont get out of the group considering we were placed in Pot 1 but if they dont, then Berhalter would have to go. So maybe we should root for that?

Holy cow. When I first read your post, I thought it was groups and not pots. My heart sunk initially.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Holy cow. When I first read your post, I thought it was groups and not pots. My heart sunk initially.

Ha. Being new and still somewhat clueless my immediate reaction was how in the hell did we end up with those 3. Then I realized what it was.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Holy cow. When I first read your post, I thought it was groups and not pots. My heart sunk initially.

That would be one heck of a group!

 

[Fk_Pitt]

That would be one heck of a group!

I mean, it took me until I saw Argentina and Brazil in the same group to realize it wasn’t a group. Lol.

That would be like Real Madrid, Man City, Dortmund and Bayern Munich being in the same UCL group.

 

[brdst11]

On Thursday

Pot 1
USA
Mexico
Argentina
Brazil

Pot 2
Uruguay
Colombia
Ecuador
Peru

Pot 3
Chile
Panama
Venezuela
Paraguay

Pot 4
Jamaica
Bolivia
Canada/TT
CR/Honduras

Best possible group for USMNT in my opinion

Peru
Venezuela
Bolivia

Agreed with you on Peru and Bolivia. Based on early CONMEBOL qualifying, Venezuela may be better than Chile or Paraguay.

They've already released the locations of the US, Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico games as well

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They've already released the locations of the US, Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico games as well

I was hoping that the US would get a game at Norwin High School, just to piss SMF off!

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

 

[brdst11]

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Not a bad draw. Uruguay is playing well under Bielsa but should be able to finish ahead of the other two

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not a bad draw. Uruguay is playing well under Bielsa but should be able to finish ahead of the other two

I would have rather had Peru or Ecuador but I would take Uruguay over Colombia because I think Colombia's speed is a bad matchup. The Quarterfinal is almost a worst-case scenario though because we will play Brazil or Colombia and then one of them in the semis. So it looks like we wont be going past the 1st knockout game, in which case, you have to fire Berhalter.

Also, really disappointed to get 2 CONCACAF teams in our group. They should have made a restriction that you couldn't have more than 2. Uruguay is the only CONMEBOL team. I wanted to go the Atlanta game but I'm not driving down there for a glorified Gold Cup game. What a wasted opportunity for American fans. If they reach the semis, it would be in Charlotte so that's good I guess. I'd go to that but they would basically have to beat Uruguay to finish first and then beat Colombia. I dont see that happening

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Also, really disappointed to get 2 CONCACAF teams in our group.

Just out of curiosity, which two of Uruguay, Panama and Bolivia are in CONCACAF?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Just out of curiosity, which two of Uruguay, Panama and Bolivia are in CONCACAF?

The live draw messed it up then because they drew CONCACAF 6 in USA's group. They probably fixed it. Good. Though its not exactly exciting to play Bolivia.

 

[Allan McMurray]

This is gonna be a struggle to get out of this group. Uruguay is a loss. Bolivia is 50/50. Panama 60/40. The U.S. has a tradition of struggling with South American teams because they are extremely physical and the U.S. has trouble matching that.

Add that we have Derp-a-Derp and well I can see an exit. I'm not saying it will happen, but I won't be shocked to see them lose 2 and win 1.

 

[eastender2]

If it meant GGG got fired, would that beOK?

 

[brdst11]

This is gonna be a struggle to get out of this group. Uruguay is a loss. Bolivia is 50/50. Panama 60/40. The U.S. has a tradition of struggling with South American teams because they are extremely physical and the U.S. has trouble matching that.

Add that we have Derp-a-Derp and well I can see an exit. I'm not saying it will happen, but I won't be shocked to see them lose 2 and win 1.

Bolivia is only good at home at elevation. US usually handles Panama at home. Nothing's guaranteed but the US finished first in their group in 2016, including beating Columbia, and this US team is better than that one.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

It is disappointing not to have all new teams to play. Even Uruguay we’ve played recently.

 

[Allan McMurray]

Bolivia is only good at home at elevation. US usually handles Panama at home. Nothing's guaranteed but the US finished first in their group in 2016, including beating Columbia, and this US team is better than that one.

But those teams didn't have Derp-a-Derp. He is so poor in just about everything, he equalizes most advantages the U.S. has. Point in case, this last game against T&T.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is gonna be a struggle to get out of this group. Uruguay is a loss. Bolivia is 50/50. Panama 60/40. The U.S. has a tradition of struggling with South American teams because they are extremely physical and the U.S. has trouble matching that.

Add that we have Derp-a-Derp and well I can see an exit. I'm not saying it will happen, but I won't be shocked to see them lose 2 and win 1.

The USA B team took Panama to PKs. I was there. They will beat Panama and Bolivia

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If it meant GGG got fired, would that beOK?

I would sign up for an early exit if it meant Berhalter was fired but then who would they replace him with? Probably another MLS coach. So what's the point?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

US usually handles Panama at home.

The US is 18-4-4 all time against Panama. In the US it's 14-1-1 in games decided in regulation, plus two Panama wins in games that went to penalties in the Gold Cup.

 

[Allan McMurray]

The USA B team took Panama to PKs. I was there. They will beat Panama and Bolivia

The great equalizer for opponents is still present. Panama sure that's a win. Bolivia, is 50/50. Uruguay is a hard no.

I would absolutely LOVE to be proved wrong and hope I am. I just have zero faith in the gaffer.

 

[Allan McMurray]

I would sign up for an early exit if it meant Berhalter was fired but then who would they replace him with? Probably another MLS coach. So what's the point?

Yeah, that is the fear. You have a purely incompetent Federation that is incapable of doing logical things. Again, I sure wish Hope Solo or Wynalda woulda been able to win the Presidency.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It is disappointing not to have all new teams to play. Even Uruguay we’ve played recently.

We've only played Boliva twice since 1999, both US wins in 2016 and 2018. So they are kinda new.

The US has only lost to Uruguay one time, in 1993. Draws in 2019 and 2022 the only games since 2002.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

We've only played Boliva twice since 1999, both US wins in 2016 and 2018. So they are kinda new.

The US has only lost to Uruguay one time, in 1993. Draws in 2019 and 2022 the only games since 2002.

My point is that we are playing in a tourney outside of concacaf, and we have no guaranteed matches vs new teams that we never see. The 3 group play matches are all against teams that we’ve played in recent memory.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The great equalizer for opponents is still present. Panama sure that's a win. Bolivia, is 50/50. Uruguay is a hard no.

I would absolutely LOVE to be proved wrong and hope I am. I just have zero faith in the gaffer.

I don't really follow soccer betting but I would guess US/Bolivia would be like USA win 60%, Draw 20%, Bolivia win 10%. Away from home, Bolivia is El Salvador.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Yeah, that is the fear. You have a purely incompetent Federation that is incapable of doing logical things. Again, I sure wish Hope Solo or Wynalda woulda been able to win the Presidency.

Excuse my ignorance but being new I don’t know. If they do fire him would it be the same people who hired Hayes for the women’s team?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Excuse my ignorance but being new I don’t know. If they do fire him would it be the same people who hired Hayes for the women’s team?

That’s a good question. I would think yes same decision makers and same people who control the purse strings. But maybe different people who put together the short list to present to leadership.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Excuse my ignorance but being new I don’t know. If they do fire him would it be the same people who hired Hayes for the women’s team?

Stupidly, yes. Each team should have their own "GM." They are 2 entirely different sports. Its almost like asking an NFL GM to also manage its e-sports franchise.

 

[Allan McMurray]

Excuse my ignorance but being new I don’t know. If they do fire him would it be the same people who hired Hayes for the women’s team?

Like FK said, would think yes. Oddly the federation has a better track record hiring women's gaffers.

I thought Jurgen was goo but you have Bruce Arena, twice, Derp-a-Derp, twice! i mean come on. I actually do think highly of Bob Bradley and my opinion is that he's the best gaffer the men have had since they came back on the stage in 90.

 

[brdst11]

My point is that we are playing in a tourney outside of concacaf, and we have no guaranteed matches vs new teams that we never see. The 3 group play matches are all against teams that we’ve played in recent memory.

By my count we'll have played all but 4 of the CONMEBOL countries just in the two Copas. If we play Brazil it'll only be three.