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Final Thoughts and Impressions against UVA

Any comparison of Narduzzi to Stallings is idiotic

And that’s what you have to do by default if you discuss Lyke and the basketball program

That's true. Stallings was way below mediocre. Narduzzi and the Pitt football program are mired in mediocrity. Stallings was looking up at mediocrity and it was not within his reach.

But Pitt fans seem to be content with Pitt football mediocrity for this long. May as well keep going.
 
But Pitt fans seem to be content with Pitt football mediocrity for this long. May as well keep going.

I wouldn't let the guys that are trolls or the ones that seem to think winning seven games is cool because you can claim a meaningless division title every once in a while sway you. This board loses its mind every week during the season. Good, bad, and ugly.
 
He hit Mack between two defenders on the pass Mack dropped. There were no slants or clearing patterns with crossing underneath. In this game, he forced it to Mack too much. Mack was often doubled team. It would help to have other receivers, Tipton played well. I don't feel Ffrench is your typical receiver.

Pickett takes too load to unload the ball. I know posters said receivers were open all over the field. If they were, I didn't see it. Needs to be a 1-2-3 out kinda guy. When he does scramble he can make big plays with his legs and down the field. He is not a big drop, survey the field and throw guy. That is not going to work.

There was nothing easy for Pitt. The easy pitch and catch plays. Dump offs to the backs or defense playing off the short outs.

UVA came to realize that the only non fluke plays that could hurt them were Pickett scrambles. They adjusted and took that away. Kenny ran into sacks as a result of the adjustments.

Need to design some run plays for Pickett. Need to get Carter the ball in space. Need to get some true receivers on the field. Mathews and Butler did not get a catch. If Davis and Wayne are as advertised, they need to see the field. Van Lynn needs to be starting somewhere.

On defense, it would really help to generate some turnovers. Jones needs to pick it up. Ford needs to wrap up. Everyone needs to learn how to avoid interference penalties.
Pickett didn't face many second and twos (or 3s 4s 5s 6s) Nothing was easy.
 
Eh. The losses are actually more fun to dish on. Usually when we do win, its an unimpressive squeaker over a crappy team (I can't take credit for this observation, someone else noted it on the Night Game thread, but it's true). So even with most victories, there are still loads of flaws and mistakes and shortcomings to be frustrated by, that we all know will bite the team in the ass down the line (and invariably do). Yet it seems shallow to complain about after technically having won a game. At least aftera particularly ugly loss, we can let loose our intestines without feeling bad for the mess.

Last year actually provided a couple bonafide solid wins...VT and Wake. Some may say Cuse or UVA as well given how they finished (but I'm not one of them ... those teams stank). Nice to win and feel good about it .... but the boards were pretty boring afterward! However we also knew in our hearts it couldn't last. But what do you bitch about after a game that essentially ended Budd Fosters storied but way overhyped career, or the game that gives us the de facto division title? Even Souf isn't that petty. Or maybe he was, I've had him on ignore for years.
 
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1. Pickett is completely and totally unfairly scapegoated by everyone. This is not to say he is some elite QB, because he isn't. But for every overthrow there was a dropped ball by a receiver and for every drop there was a missed block by the OL. A lot of these I think can be corrected as the offense gets used to a completely new offensive scheme. They must use Ohio to work out those kinks for Penn State and UCF.

2. I'm not sure what Taysir Mack was doing last night, but he looked lost all night.

3. I did not notice Ulizio, but I saw people saying he struggled a lot. If that is the case I would not hesitate for a second to put Van Lynn in at RT.

4. I like what the Whipple is trying to do offensively, but I think they need to try and be a little more balanced run/pass. I would like to see Carter more involved in the pass game out of the backfield, like Killins for UCF. After watching the offense, I think Whipple will have success recruiting. He will find a nice QB and a nice WR as well.

5. The defense looked good. They are definitely fast and way more athletic than in the past few years. However, the "bend, don't break" last night also hurt them. They simply didn't force enough three and outs and give the offense a short field. All three TDs were on short fields, so I won't blame them for that.

6. Special teams is still not looking good. Kessman's missed field goal was a killer. That would've made it a 6 point game. The teams entire mindset would've been different. Christodoulou still hasn't lived up to the hype when he was recruited. The blocked punt was a killer.

7. The two plays that stick out as game changing to me was Pinnock's wiff of a sack on Perkins on third and 10 on UVAs opening drive of the second half and Mack's dropped pass.

I wanted to add in that no one last year thought that Pitt was going to win the Coastal and they did. And quite frankly, I think the Coastal is still up for grabs this year. UVA and Perkins didn't impress me one bit last night. Pitt was in the game they entire time and couldn't have played worse offensively.

Lastly, I keep seeing people wanting Narduzzi fired. All I am going to say about that is be careful what you wish for. Narduzzi is a good coach. He's not great. He hasn't been able to have an offense and defense that were good the same year. But firing him isn't going to change anything. Pitt is a program that cannot run through coaches. If they do then no one will want to come, or if they do they will use them and leave like Graham and Chryst. Narduzzi wants to coach and Pitt. He loves Pitt and wants to turn it around. I know it's year 5, but you have to be with him for the ride.

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Careful what you wish for? We have been wishing for 40 years for a competent HC but Pitt is too cheap to hire one.

There’s little evidence to support the assertion Narduzzi is a good HC. What’s his strength? He came in with the reputation as a defensive oriented hire. His defenses have been lousy. The strength of this year’s defense was supposed to be the secondary... they were average at best Saturday.... there were receivers open all evening. Is he a great recruiter- little evidence of that. In year 5, he has no QB, no TE and he’s still filling holes at positions in the OL and LB with grad transfers, some of whom are sub average. Where are the play makers on either side of the ball producing big plays? Is he a great game day tactician? I saw Va. blitz Pitt for 4 quarters without a single attempt to thwart that strategy with plays like screens/ slants etc. I have seen him stubbornly cling to an out dated pass defensive strategy which produced disastrous results over the course of at least 2 seasons. Is he attentive to details and is this reflected in his teams’ play? We played Penn St last year without a placeholder on kicks with disastrous results. We get a kick blocked Saturday night...all examples of sloppy play which is a symptom of poor coaching.

With little tangible evidence that he deserved it, Pitt extended his contract...Here’s the bottom line. Pitt is stuck with him! He’s offered little evidence that he’s not cut from the same bolt of cloth as the last several HCs who were fired. You can keep giving him all the passes you want but until he puts a team on the field that can win 9-10 games, he’s nothing more than a mediocre commodity .... another in a long line of coordinators who couldn’t make the leap to HC.
 
Careful what you wish for? We have been wishing for 40 years for a competent HC but Pitt is too cheap to hire one.

There’s little evidence to support the assertion Narduzzi is a good HC. What’s his strength? He came in with the reputation as a defensive oriented hire. His defenses have been lousy. The strength of this year’s defense was supposed to be the secondary... they were average at best Saturday.... there were receivers open all evening. Is he a great recruiter- little evidence of that. In year 5, he has no QB, no TE and he’s still filling holes at positions in the OL and LB with grad transfers, some of whom are sub average. Where are the play makers on either side of the ball producing big plays? Is he a great game day tactician? I saw Va. blitz Pitt for 4 quarters without a single attempt to thwart that strategy with plays like screens/ slants etc. I have seen him stubbornly cling to an out dated pass defensive strategy which produced disastrous results over the course of at least 2 seasons. Is he attentive to details and is this reflected in his teams’ play? We played Penn St last year without a placeholder on kicks with disastrous results. We get a kick blocked Saturday night...all examples of sloppy play which is a symptom of poor coaching.

With little tangible evidence that he deserved it, Pitt extended his contract...Here’s the bottom line. Pitt is stuck with him! He’s offered little evidence that he’s not cut from the same bolt of cloth as the last several HCs who were fired. You can keep giving him all the passes you want but until he puts a team on the field that can win 9-10 games, he’s nothing more than a mediocre commodity .... another in a long line of coordinators who couldn’t make the leap to HC.
We would win more with a sensible OC schedule. Everyone else plays 3 Patsies and 1 competitive game.
 
We would win more with a sensible OC schedule. Everyone else plays 3 Patsies and 1 competitive game.
Well I’m not one supportive for dumbing down the schedule long term but perhaps we should do so for a time. Look at some of the div 1 teams that have beat Pitt over the past 15 years....hardly powerhouses as a whole. Iowa, Mich St, Nebraska when they were crap, T A & M when they were lousy, UCF, a frickin directional school who started playing f div 1 FB a decade ago....let’s just play Duquesne, Bobby Morris, W&J, win and trumpet the achievement like we did with the coastal division championship .
 
Careful what you wish for? We have been wishing for 40 years for a competent HC but Pitt is too cheap to hire one.

There’s little evidence to support the assertion Narduzzi is a good HC. What’s his strength? He came in with the reputation as a defensive oriented hire. His defenses have been lousy. The strength of this year’s defense was supposed to be the secondary... they were average at best Saturday.... there were receivers open all evening. Is he a great recruiter- little evidence of that. In year 5, he has no QB, no TE and he’s still filling holes at positions in the OL and LB with grad transfers, some of whom are sub average. Where are the play makers on either side of the ball producing big plays? Is he a great game day tactician? I saw Va. blitz Pitt for 4 quarters without a single attempt to thwart that strategy with plays like screens/ slants etc. I have seen him stubbornly cling to an out dated pass defensive strategy which produced disastrous results over the course of at least 2 seasons. Is he attentive to details and is this reflected in his teams’ play? We played Penn St last year without a placeholder on kicks with disastrous results. We get a kick blocked Saturday night...all examples of sloppy play which is a symptom of poor coaching.

With little tangible evidence that he deserved it, Pitt extended his contract...Here’s the bottom line. Pitt is stuck with him! He’s offered little evidence that he’s not cut from the same bolt of cloth as the last several HCs who were fired. You can keep giving him all the passes you want but until he puts a team on the field that can win 9-10 games, he’s nothing more than a mediocre commodity .... another in a long line of coordinators who couldn’t make the leap to HC.
Look at it from their point of view. Kinda like the Pirates. On the surface they are paying a fair amount for Duz and the staff. More or less market value I'd say. And similar to the Pirates beating their chest over some camp in the Dominican, Pitt always has that reliable chestnut that "the scholarships come from the generall fund". That allows the sycophants here, planted by the admin (that or they're mentally challenged, so I hope it's the former) to post repeated gibberish that "Pitt spends'. Throwing in donation "stats" for good measure.

When we know, like the Pirates, where the REAL spending needs to be done: On the player acquisition.

The Pirates have less excuse there because there are legal on the books means to buy better players and they gleefully resist. In college, technically, those means are still kept "unlawful" on the books, to give the BS impression of amateurism. Meanwhile though, all the top teams rigorously engage, and the 'governing' body just as gleefully condones it. Championship teams exposed for cheating haven't been touched for decades. North Carolina anyone? Biggest academic fraud ever in athletics? During the midst of championship hoops run? Resulting discipline? None. Zero. Glory, revenue, donations that resulted? Untold. School still ranked much higher academically than Pitt? Hell yes.

The really sad thing is that Pitt wouldn't even have to spend university money to engage in it; boosters have and would be been happy to oblige (and Pitt hypocritically has turned to them when it's stupid admin have put them in pickles through mismanagement... such as to pay for the Haywood and Stallings debacles).

But the deep pocket guys understandably want the regular 'contributions' to go for great players and ruthless coaches. Of the FOOTBALL (basketball too) variety to be precise, not for soccer or lacrosse or for embossed wallpaper and granite countertops in the AD suites.

But that is anathema to the MeToo'ers running the show.

I know nothing will ever change this despite it being a trillion percent fact. But like with the claims of Penn State rapes never having happened or that the lack of punishment was somehow just, and the absurd claims that dumbing down the schedule is easy, immediate, and cheap, I can't resist pointing it out at times. Y'know what, the Holocaust happened; Hillary lost on her own for running a terrible campaign in 4 key states, nothing to do with "Russia" or "white supremacists"; and cheating is rampant (and highly effective!) in major college sports. All universal truths, friends.



 
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I have never been a PN fan I did not like the hire from the beginning, having said that you do realize he has averaged 7 wins a year since taking over don't you? He win 7 last year despite playing 3 very tough ooc games. Very few teams in the country even top 25 ones go better than 2-2 ooc last year. If Pitt schedules like everyone else last year is a 8 or 9 win season.

Yes, I realize they were mediocre last year under Narduzzi. Excuses and rationalizations about schedules are irrelevant. You play the teams in front of you.

Given the schedule this year and by your reasoning, we should win at least 8 games this year because the schedule is easier, right? But as I said, that is irrelevant. To me, anything less than 8 wins this year and we're regressing.
 
You do realize don't you that Narduzzi has more wins in his first 4 years than any Pitt coach until you get back to Jackie Sherrill

Consider the coaches in that time period: Fazio, Gottfried, Hackett, Majors, Harris, Wannstedt, Graham, and Chryst. How big an accomplish is getting more wins in a longer season than the above group? Don't forget Majors and Harris inherited teams with losing records as well.
 
Consider the coaches in that time period: Fazio, Gottfried, Hackett, Majors, Harris, Wannstedt, Graham, and Chryst. How big an accomplish is getting more wins in a longer season than the above group? Don't forget Majors and Harris inherited teams with losing records as well.

You are making my point for me. 8 coaches before Narduzzi who did not do as well in their first 4 years as Narduzzi has. Yet you want to toss Narduzzi aside while he continues to build the program and make progress to hire some jabroni that will fit in with those 8 prior coaches.

Urban Myer and his corp of bagmen isn't coming to coach the Panthers.
 
You are making my point for me. 8 coaches before Narduzzi who did not do as well in their first 4 years as Narduzzi has. Yet you want to toss Narduzzi aside while he continues to build the program and make progress to hire some jabroni that will fit in with those 8 prior coaches.

Urban Myer and his corp of bagmen isn't coming to coach the Panthers.

Narduzzi is at best a fractional improvement over most of the previous 8 coaches. Harris is the best of the bunch. All of them are replaceable. The fact that none of the big schools wants to poach our coach is a clear sign of how replaceable he is.

There is little risk to letting Narduzzi go.
 
I think giving him 5 years is reasonable. This is year 5. He has made no progress with this program in 4 years. I expect Narduzzi to get us to at least 8 wins this year. That's the bottom line. Pitt fans have been putting up with this mediocrity for 35+ years. Lyke made the move to get the basketball program back on track. She can do the same thing with football. If Narduzzi can't get us to 8 wins this year, find someone who can.

The reality is that Narduzzi's ceiling for wins is probably 6. This year, I doubt if we get to 5.
And he is over-compensated at that.
 
Narduzzi is at best a fractional improvement over most of the previous 8 coaches. Harris is the best of the bunch. All of them are replaceable. The fact that none of the big schools wants to poach our coach is a clear sign of how replaceable he is.

There is little risk to letting Narduzzi go.

Wrong, lots of risk in letting Narduzzi go

1. As noted, he has done better that the previous 8 coaches in his first 4 years. His successor is likely to do worse given the history

2. Blowing up a program time and time again is a recipe for failure. Coaches recruit players to their style. You lose recruiting classes in the transition, etc

But ok, since you think you know it all and there is little risk, who realistically would Pitt hire to replace Narduzzi that would be better?
 
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