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He’s back per Rothstein

And the fact that the Chancellor actually took this meeting was a big issue for Dixon. I don't think anything came of the meeting (meetings actually) but like I said, the fact that the Chancellor took the meeting was a problem. But it was 180 degrees from the relationship Dixon had with Nordenberg.

Nordenberg and Dixon were tight for sure. That was a big blow.

Relationships with coaches and their ADs are absolutely one of the biggest things that keeps people at a place. That's why you can't necessarily cheer the turnover of ADs. We have a good stable of coaches outside of hoops that seem to have good relationships with Heather. I don't know for sure, but for instance, that had to play a pretty sizable role in Fish's decision to stay this year.
 
Football won due to Covid (Pickett extra year)

Olympic sports are meaningless

If bball goes 0-20, she's gone. Period
You might be the most delusional person I have read post. She is 100% more likely to get an extension than she is to get run off. The same idiots who want to run her off wanted to run Dixon off as well.

Pitt has a great overall athletic department with a horrible set of basketball programs. But Pitt has been horrible at basketball outside of the Dixon/Howland era almost the whole time the sport has existed and other than a few years with beranato the womens basketball program has consistently been horrible.

I prefer Heather move on from the womens basketball coach this offseason and then Capel next season and hope we get lucky and hire another coach who like Howland/Dixon is better than we likely deserve.

Also the football program is poised for another 8-9 win season and that is our reality. Narduzzi builds great relationships and has started to build a true program with really strong depth.
 
That’s why he’ll get more time. It looks bad for HL to extend him then fire him. It’s not like Stallings. She has ownership of this failure.

She'll look worse after another wasted year. Like investing in stocks, don't hold onto the losers hoping for a miracle turnaround.

Very disappointing.
 
You might be the most delusional person I have read post. She is 100% more likely to get an extension than she is to get run off. The same idiots who want to run her off wanted to run Dixon off as well.

Pitt has a great overall athletic department with a horrible set of basketball programs. But Pitt has been horrible at basketball outside of the Dixon/Howland era almost the whole time the sport has existed and other than a few years with beranato the womens basketball program has consistently been horrible.

I prefer Heather move on from the womens basketball coach this offseason and then Capel next season and hope we get lucky and hire another coach who like Howland/Dixon is better than we likely deserve.

Also the football program is poised for another 8-9 win season and that is our reality. Narduzzi builds great relationships and has started to build a true program with really strong depth.
2 sports matter at Pitt. I am simply saying if we go 0-20, she is gone. However, Pitt will NOT go 0-20.

I hope you're right about football but Narduzzi has been average and got lucky with the Covid extra year. He may go back to 8-4/7-5

Heather is leaving anyway for another P6 job while she still can
 
She'll look worse after another wasted year. Like investing in stocks, don't hold onto the losers hoping for a miracle turnaround.

Very disappointing.
Like investing in stocks /
Ya gotta pay to play / and the boosters didn’t want to pay

it’s the simple truth
He gets another year because pitt couldn’t get the money together to buy him out
 
Like investing in stocks /
Ya gotta pay to play / and the boosters didn’t want to pay

it’s the simple truth
He gets another year because pitt couldn’t get the money together to buy him out

Its a pretty stupid investment to waste millions more on a guy instead of saving that money and just enduring one more bad season. Even if I was worth 8 or 9 figures, I don't know how I could justify that kind of buyout when it becomes so much cheaper in 12 months. I'd just hold my nose and deal with one more year.
 
And Gallagher has now signed off on two program killing contracts in Capel & Stallings. He is approaching (if not already there) J Dennis levels of organizational incompetence. I never thought I would see anyone as bad as O'Conner, but Gallagher is right up there. His handling of Covid at the university left a lot to be desired as well.

And Heather. I've said she deserves a second chance to get it right. Now, I don't think so. She has royally screwed both basketball programs. How does Creen, hired the same time as Capel, get let go with a reasonable buyout, but we are stuck with a huge albatross of a contract. God forbid Narduzzi ever leaves, I have zero confidence this crew of Lyke & Gallagher would do the right thing in that situation.

I remember at the time there were posters here saying she was just a compliance wonk when hired, and didn't have the chops to run a P5 programs. I thought maybe it was a little sexist, but now I'm leaning to that way of thinking. She is in way over her head and might be time to rethink putting her as the top AD since Cas. Scary that Steve P is probably the best of the sorrowful lot.
Amazes me how Gallagher and Lyke are measured by their hiring of a basketball coach. Remember there were several coaches considered and Capel wasn’t the first. It wasn’t the most desirable job and still isn’t, perhaps more so now. Who would they get if he is fired?

They both are still measured by the progress of the athletic program as a whole which is better. So they struck out with Capel. Maybe he still turns it around. If not the $$ they save on the buyout this year allows them to pursue someone next year.

I usually like your posts Slick, but this one came with a bit too much hyperbole.
 
What looks worse: firing him and eating the money after you gave him the extension, or bringing him back for no other reason than you don’t want to pay the buyout that you signed him to?
I’d say either way the optics are bad, but option two looks cheap and small time in addition to bad. The kind of move a resource-poor athletic department would make out of necessity.

I expected Pitt to keep him through next year for the obvious reasons. But I think a sizable majority of major conference schools would have jettisoned him for sure after this year.

There’s no way he turns this around in one season, unless the bar for what constitutes a turnaround is extremely low. There will not be some portal miracle rescue, and no HS players that Pitt would realistically have a shot at will be capable of contributing much as true freshmen. I’m expecting a couple more Oladapos and Santos at best. The better players in the portal haven’t given Capel a sniff the last 4 years, I don’t see how that would change now.
 
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Over the years, I have been told plenty of things about many subjects, and I realize that rumors are rumors.

But this meeting was told to me by someone who Trucks told about the meeting. And then it was completely, independently verified by someone else who is very close to another person who was in the meeting. THAT'S when I completely believed it.
I believe you and have no doubt the meeting took place.

But whether a meeting took place is not what is important. Dissatisfied whale donors always get listened to. And there was good reason for dissatisfaction. You think that only happens at Pitt? Dixon may have been unhappy learning of the meeting but that is what happens when you start losing more, tournament record and attendance erodes, and recruiting starts to fall off the cliff.

The question for me was what steps were taken to push literally Dixon out the door. Was he asked to put more teeth into a putrid OOC slate? Was his budget slashed? Doubt it.

Was Dixon unhappy? Probably. But there are no guarantees that the honeymoon you had with the
AD and chancellor last till you leave. And there were some things that definitely need fixing. Maybe he really didn't like the thoughts of playing in the ACC. Maybe a sweetheart deal with TCU was too hard to resist. Maybe reasons for his departure were more complex than "bad trucking donor".

Don't take this as absolving Gallagher, Barnes, Stallings and now Capel of any crimes committed. Rather the genesis of this cluster took shape well before Dixon signed his walking paper. His fingerprints are on it too.
 
She is the best AD overall Pitt has had. Basketball isn’t valued and you can tell by accepting punting on next season. She has nearly every other sport including the only one that truly matters to the boosters performing at nearly as high a level or higher than an educated fan could expect.

Pitt fans whined and whined about Coach Dixon and the golden age of Pitt basketball and we got exactly what we deserve. Pitt is not and likely never will be a basketball blue blood but Dixon had us real close. Pitt should have done what Purdue did when Painter had some down seasons and supported him and look for ways to assist a great coach.
Maybe Dixon was done at Pitt. But over a decade of success as an assistant and HC earned him a longer leash with fans and the admin to try to turn things around.
Football won due to Covid (Pickett extra year)

Olympic sports are meaningless

If bball goes 0-20, she's gone. Period
I don’t get why some Pitt fans are so insistent on diminishing a freaking ACC championship by talking about Pickett’s extra year. If they had changed the RS rule we’d have had Pickett. How is that any different. Was Pitt the only school allowed to grant an extra covid year?

What will your excuse be when Pitt wins 10 games again this year?
 
I believe you and have no doubt the meeting took place.

But whether a meeting took place is not what is important. Dissatisfied whale donors always get listened to. And there was good reason for dissatisfaction. You think that only happens at Pitt? Dixon may have been unhappy learning of the meeting but that is what happens when you start losing more, tournament record and attendance erodes, and recruiting starts to fall off the cliff.

The question for me was what steps were taken to push literally Dixon out the door. Was he asked to put more teeth into a putrid OOC slate? Was his budget slashed? Doubt it.

Was Dixon unhappy? Probably. But there are no guarantees that the honeymoon you had with the
AD and chancellor last till you leave. And there were some things that definitely need fixing. Maybe he really didn't like the thoughts of playing in the ACC. Maybe a sweetheart deal with TCU was too hard to resist. Maybe reasons for his departure were more complex than "bad trucking donor".

Don't take this as absolving Gallagher, Barnes, Stallings and now Capel of any crimes committed. Rather the genesis of this cluster took shape well before Dixon signed his walking paper. His fingerprints are on it too.
Dixon always seemed too sensitive. He would take subtle shots at people who criticized his schedule or style of play. I'm sure he felt that how dare any Pitt fan or booster be concerned about the direction of the program after all he accomplished. I can see that point of view but he had to realize from a fan/booster standpoint the program was slipping. It wasnt slipping enough to warrant him getting fired but I think he felt so betrayed by Pitt and Pittsburgh that he wanted out.
 
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Maybe Dixon was done at Pitt. But over a decade of success as an assistant and HC earned him a longer leash with fans and the admin to try to turn things around.

I don’t get why some Pitt fans are so insistent on diminishing a freaking ACC championship by talking about Pickett’s extra year. If they had changed the RS rule we’d have had Pickett. How is that any different. Was Pitt the only school allowed to grant an extra covid year?

What will your excuse be when Pitt wins 10 games again this year?
I'm just saying that there was a good bit of luck there. You could say Narduzzi is a very average coach who got lucky due to the Covid rule. If he wins 10 again, that changes.
 
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She is the best AD overall Pitt has had. Basketball isn’t valued and you can tell by accepting punting on next season. She has nearly every other sport including the only one that truly matters to the boosters performing at nearly as high a level or higher than an educated fan could expect.

Pitt fans whined and whined about Coach Dixon and the golden age of Pitt basketball and we got exactly what we deserve. Pitt is not and likely never will be a basketball blue blood but Dixon had us real close. Pitt should have done what Purdue did when Painter had some down seasons and supported him and look for ways to assist a great coach.

The revisionism on Dixon continues.

Dixon was a good coach that annually flirted with leaving Pitt and parlayed alleged interest from various West Coast schools into multi-million dollar raises and extensions. He ended the 2014 season practically in the top 5 of all college basketball coach salaries despite never making a Final Four and only having 1 Elite Eight appearance.

Pitt did a lot to support Dixon. Maybe it wasn't perfect but neither was Dixon, who was a very good coach that repeatedly flamed out when it mattered. Ultimately, Dixon had a huge role in why he is no longer the coach at Pitt, up to and including the day he walked out the door. To say that Pitt didn't support him is patently false.
 
You might be the most delusional person I have read post. She is 100% more likely to get an extension than she is to get run off. The same idiots who want to run her off wanted to run Dixon off as well.

Pitt has a great overall athletic department with a horrible set of basketball programs. But Pitt has been horrible at basketball outside of the Dixon/Howland era almost the whole time the sport has existed and other than a few years with beranato the womens basketball program has consistently been horrible.

I prefer Heather move on from the womens basketball coach this offseason and then Capel next season and hope we get lucky and hire another coach who like Howland/Dixon is better than we likely deserve.

Also the football program is poised for another 8-9 win season and that is our reality. Narduzzi builds great relationships and has started to build a true program with really strong depth.
 
I'm just saying that there was a good bit of luck there. You could say Narduzzi is a very average coach who got lucky due to the Covid rule. If he wins 10 again, that changes.
Everyone had the same rules. Every team that wins a championship has some kind of luck along the way.

Calling Narduzzi an average coach who got lucky is idiotic.
 
Everyone had the same rules. Every team that wins a championship has some kind of luck along the way.

Calling Narduzzi an average coach who got lucky is idiotic.
Right now, that's what he is. He has a chance to disprove that. Many, many average coaches won due to a generational player. Chizik at Auburn with Cam Newton is an example.
 
Everyone had the same rules. Every team that wins a championship has some kind of luck along the way.
Calling Narduzzi an average coach who got lucky is idiotic.
Likewise calling him an outstanding coach based on one season that exceeded expectations isn’t the smartest position. He doesn’t need to win an ACC championship and 11 games every year, but if he’s able to sustain a reasonable level of success and finish as a top 20-25 team most years, he will have earned that designation.
 
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Likewise calling him an outstanding coach based on one season that exceeded expectations isn’t the smartest position. He doesn’t need to win an ACC championship and 11 games every year, but if he’s able to sustain a reasonable level of success and finish as a top 20-25 team most years, he will have earned that designation.
My hope is that some day this idiotic fanbase will come to their senses and realize a good thing when they have it. I have little confidence in this though, and fully expect the pitch forks and torches if Narduzzi finishes 8-5. Then, we can go hire the football version of Jeff Capel.
 
My hope is that some day this idiotic fanbase will come to their senses and realize a good thing when they have it. I have little confidence in this though, and fully expect the pitch forks and torches if Narduzzi finishes 8-5. Then, we can go hire the football version of Jeff Capel.
You are absolutely correct! They give absurd extensions to coaches who haven’t proven themselves, but then aren’t satisfied when a coach is doing a good job. It should be the complete opposite. You should reward and reinvest in the coach and program when things are going well. Truly bizarre.
 
Maybe Dixon was done at Pitt. But over a decade of success as an assistant and HC earned him a longer leash with fans and the admin to try to turn things around.

I don’t get why some Pitt fans are so insistent on diminishing a freaking ACC championship by talking about Pickett’s extra year. If they had changed the RS rule we’d have had Pickett. How is that any different. Was Pitt the only school allowed to grant an extra covid year?

What will your excuse be when Pitt wins 10 games again this year?
There was also the fact that it was a year where the alpha dog in the league was way down, and mighty Wake Forest was the biggest obstacle to a league championship. It was a one off year for the league and pretending it wasn’t is delusional. Let’s see what happens in the next few years. If Dooz can sustain solid success, which does not necessarily mean league championships, but does mean 9 wins (not including a bowl win) and a year-end ranking, he will put an end to the debate as to his abilities as a coach. The opposite is also true. He has the momentum right now, he has his program on solid ground, let’s see if he can ride it.
 
That's more than half the battle for a coach. He's built a good culture, a deep roster, and made Pitt a place good players want to come.

It's also the area where Capel has failed miserably.
Narduzzi appears to be heading in the right direction but these next couple years are big. He needs to build off the momentum. If he starts going 8-4, 7-5, 6-6, he will be known as an average coach who got lucky due to the covid rule.
 
My hope is that some day this idiotic fanbase will come to their senses and realize a good thing when they have it. I have little confidence in this though, and fully expect the pitch forks and torches if Narduzzi finishes 8-5. Then, we can go hire the football version of Jeff Capel.
I wish I could see 6-8 wins, no ranking, some embarrassing losses, no bowls 3rd tier bowl games (and losses in them) and no national relevance in 6 out of a coaches 7 years as indicia of a good coaching job, but crazily enough, I can’t.

He took a big step forward with the program this past season. I’ll wait and see if he backslides or sustains some success before I commission his statue. Apparently you don’t see that as a reasonable take. For my part, I don’t see anointing him after one season out of 7 in which he exceeded expectations as a reasonable take. There were some highly favorable circumstances that enabled last season to be special as well. If you can’t acknowledge that, you’re not capable of reasonable discourse on this subject.
 
That's more than half the battle for a coach. He's built a good culture, a deep roster, and made Pitt a place good players want to come.

It's also the area where Capel has failed miserably.
Capel has been an unmitigated disaster by every measure, I thought we were talking about Narduzzi here.
 
I wish I could see 6-8 wins, no ranking, some embarrassing losses, no bowls 3rd tier bowl games (and losses in them) and no national relevance in 6 out of a coaches 7 years as indicia of a good coaching job, but crazily enough, I can’t.

He took a big step forward with the program this past season. I’ll wait and see if he backslides or sustains some success before I commission his statue. Apparently you don’t see that as a reasonable take. For my part, I don’t see anointing him after one season out of 7 in which he exceeded expectations as a reasonable take. There were some highly favorable circumstances that enabled last season to be special as well. If you can’t acknowledge that, you’re not capable of reasonable discourse on this subject.
You're awful dramatic. I said calling him average is idiotic. I never said he was outstanding.

He's 53-37 overall and 36-22 in conference. Won 2 Coastal titles and an ACC title. He's built a good culture and a good roster at Pitt. That's not average in anyway.
 
Amazes me how Gallagher and Lyke are measured by their hiring of a basketball coach. Remember there were several coaches considered and Capel wasn’t the first. It wasn’t the most desirable job and still isn’t, perhaps more so now. Who would they get if he is fired?

They both are still measured by the progress of the athletic program as a whole which is better. So they struck out with Capel. Maybe he still turns it around. If not the $$ they save on the buyout this year allows them to pursue someone next year.

I usually like your posts Slick, but this one came with a bit too much hyperbole.

yeah, maybe emotions caught the best of me last night
 
You're awful dramatic. I said calling him average is idiotic. I never said he was outstanding.

He's 53-37 overall and 36-22 in conference. Won 2 Coastal titles and an ACC title. He's built a good culture and a good roster at Pitt. That's not average in anyway.
His accomplishments prior to last season were decidedly average within the context of P5 football. The 2018 Coastal championship was a joke. That was a year where he went 7-7, lost to 2-9 UNC, did not beat a ranked team, got absolutely curb stomped at home by arch-enemy PSU, and was not even competitive in his last two conference games.

1-3 in 3rd tier bowl games. Not ranked in the postseason any year. 29-21 in the conference playing in the Coastal. Recruiting classes ranked primarily in the mid to high 30s-40s out of 65 P5 programs.

I’m going with average.
 
His accomplishments prior to last season were decidedly average within the context of P5 football. The 2018 Coastal championship was a joke. That was a year where he went 7-7, lost to 2-9 UNC, did not beat a ranked team, got absolutely curb stomped at home by arch-enemy PSU, and was not even competitive in his last two conference games.

I’m going with average.

This is the picture of average at Pitt, not Narduzzi

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