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His accomplishments prior to last season were decidedly average within the context of P5 football. The 2018 Coastal championship was a joke. That was a year where he went 7-7, lost to 2-9 UNC, did not beat a ranked team, got absolutely curb stomped at home by arch-enemy PSU, and was not even competitive in his last two conference games.

1-3 in 3rd tier bowl games. Not ranked in the postseason any year. 29-21 in the conference playing in the Coastal. Recruiting classes ranked primarily in the mid to high 30s-40s out of 65 P5 programs.

I’m going with average.
Needing to dismiss last year shows your point is wrong. His resume is his resume, its not just the years you feel like counting.

Last time I checked it was Narduzzi coaching his players. Players that he recruited and developed.
 
Needing to dismiss last year shows your point is wrong. His resume is his resume, its not just the years you feel like counting.

Last time I checked it was Narduzzi coaching his players. Players that he recruited and developed.
The context of the discussion is that one truly good year doesn’t mean that we finally made it. It’s one really good year. If he sustains the success, shows it isn’t just a one off, we’re starting to have a different conversation. He goes back to 7 wins or even 8 next year, the conversation will remain the same as it has been for about 40 years. I do agree with you that after this past season’s success it feels like the program is in a different place, more solid, better overall, than it has been in years. I think we all expect to see that translate to better results on the field, more wins than years 1-6, better wins, postseason rankings, relevance.
 
I don’t give a shit about context
This was the most enjoyable football season I can ever remember since I started watching in the mid 90s

won meaningful games at home
Travelled to Charlotte and celebrated like crazy
Had a blast in Atlanta

Anyone Pooh Poohing last football season is a damned fool
 
I don’t give a shit about context
This was the most enjoyable football season I can ever remember since I started watching in the mid 90s

won meaningful games at home
Travelled to Charlotte and celebrated like crazy
Had a blast in Atlanta

Anyone Pooh Poohing last football season is a damned fool
Nobody’s Pooh poohing last season. Everyone loved it, even the posters who are still bitching about the WMU loss. Simply pointing out to some who are ready to enshrine Narduzzi for that one season that there needs to be more evidence than just one strong season to anoint Narduzzi as the savior of Pitt football. It was a big step forward and has elevated the program. Let’s see where it goes from here.
 
Nobody’s Pooh poohing last season. Everyone loved it, even the posters who are still bitching about the WMU loss. Simply pointing out to some who are ready to enshrine Narduzzi for that one season that there needs to be more evidence than just one strong season to anoint Narduzzi as the savior of Pitt football. It was a big step forward and has elevated the program. Let’s see where it goes from here.
What rational poster is enshrining him or saying he’s a top tier coach? Most of us recognize he’s building a strong program and has Pitt positioned to compete for another ACC coastal title.
 
What rational poster is enshrining him or saying he’s a top tier coach? Most of us recognize he’s building a strong program and has Pitt positioned to compete for another ACC coastal title.
Some of us have been Pitt fans for long enough to be skeptical that the program has in fact reached a new level, when the current head coach has produced only one genuinely strong season out of 7. Last season was great, like everyone else I enjoyed the hell out of it, and, like you, I do believe that right now the program seems to be in the best shape it has been in in decades. there’s a different feel to it, and there is good reason to be optimistic. But I’ll wait and see how this plays out. We had an epic offensive year from an elite QB, and both he and the architect of that record setting offense have moved on. We have a new OC, new playbook, and new QB, who, while promising and with some good weapons around him, has a new offense to learn and some big shoes to fill. For me, the proof will be in the pudding.

I’ll ask you straight out-do you really think that’s an unreasonable or pessimistic perspective from a lifelong Pitt fan?
 
The context of the discussion is that one truly good year doesn’t mean that we finally made it. It’s one really good year. If he sustains the success, shows it isn’t just a one off, we’re starting to have a different conversation. He goes back to 7 wins or even 8 next year, the conversation will remain the same as it has been for about 40 years. I do agree with you that after this past season’s success it feels like the program is in a different place, more solid, better overall, than it has been in years. I think we all expect to see that translate to better results on the field, more wins than years 1-6, better wins, postseason rankings, relevance.

I think Duzz is the absolute right coach to maximize the potential of the football program. I don't know how much that will translate into sustained success.

If Clemson, Miami, & FSU can all right their ship, relevance will be hard to come by. To his credit, they got it done when Clemson was down and there was an opening for another program to step up. But since the day Pitt joined the league up until this past year, there has been a program that was a true title contender. I don't think Pitt has that potential.
 
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I think Duzz is the absolute right coach to maximize the potential of the football program. I don't know how much that will translate into sustained success.

If Clemson, Miami, & FSU can all right their ship, relevance will be hard to come by. To his credit, they got it done when Clemson was down and there was an opening for another program to step up. But since the day Pitt joined the league up until this past year, there has been a program that was a true title contender. I don't think Pitt has that potential.
When things are right, Miami and FSU have a edge, no doubt.

Clemson has been very good for a long time, but they have no inherent advantage.

Clemson was originally good because they cheated, big time. Now they are good because Dabo built success on success. There is no inherent guarantee that continues. A couple more wrong QBs and they are back to everyone else.
 
When things are right, Miami and FSU have a edge, no doubt.

Clemson has been very good for a long time, but they have no inherent advantage.

Clemson was originally good because they cheated, big time. Now they are good because Dabo built success on success. There is no inherent guarantee that continues. A couple more wrong QBs and they are back to everyone else.
They have a geographical advantage and alums that will invest big money to keep the talent coming to Clemson. They are in the middle of a talent hotbed.
 
They have a geographical advantage and alums that will invest big money to keep the talent coming to Clemson. They are in the middle of a talent hotbed.
Does South Carolina have the same geological advantage?

How was Clemson doing in the 10 year period before Dabo arrived?
 
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Does South Carolina have the same geological advantage.

How was Clemson doing in the 10 year period before Dabo arrived?
It’s a lot more difficult to win in the SEC and Dabo is a lot better than the Will Muschump’s of the world.
 
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When things are right, Miami and FSU have a edge, no doubt.

Clemson has been very good for a long time, but they have no inherent advantage.

Clemson was originally good because they cheated, big time. Now they are good because Dabo built success on success. There is no inherent guarantee that continues. A couple more wrong QBs and they are back to everyone else.
You might want to take a look at their 2 deep. Then look at everyone else’s in the ACC. They have been a top 5 in the country talent team for about the last 10 years. They are very well coached. That has not changed due to one off year.
 
Danny Ford won a national title at Clemson.

If you are asking whether or not Clemson is a better job than SC, then the answer is a resounding “yes”.
Danny Ford was as crooked as they come. I said Clemson had cheating in their past.


Clemson is what they currently are due to Dabo. Without Dabo, they are at the same level as every school not in Florida
 
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Does South Carolina have the same geological advantage?

How was Clemson doing in the 10 year period before Dabo arrived?

Clemson had several 8 & 9 win seasons during the Bowden decade. They were bowl elgible every year. They declined one year as a self imposed penalty for the huge fight/riot that broke out in the SC game.

SC has always been viewed as inferior to Clemson when it comes to program potential. As far as perception in the south, SC gets lumped in with the Mississippi schools and Kentucky as a place where you can’t win. (Fair or not)

Regardless, Clemson is going to outrecruit Pitt and trot out more talent even after Dabo is gone.
 
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