How do we match up against PSU?

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

He had 1 carry against Temple. But whatever makes you happy.

I saw the abilities of Barkley as soon as he signed with PSU and you can go back on my Posts History to see them when i used to discuss Pitt-Psu Recruits and Players with TD way back in early 2015.

This is not a put down of you because I respect your Post and Defense, Debates, and Support for PSU on the Lair, as you know.

Nonetheless, If I could see Barkley's abilities just watching him on 247 Tapes and predicted he would be the #1 RB Surprise in 2015, how in heck did Franklin & Staff Coaches not see it in Camp, and start in him Temple Game?

This goes to my point Franklin knows how to recruit Talent but lacks some insight on how to Coach it? I know Franklin says this is his First Year and PSU will be way better in 2016, 2017, and 2018, and We Shall see?

Appreciate your views too, even if we agree to disagree.

 

[Hotshoe]

So after a week you finally concede the various links we showed indicating he played in more than 6.5 games? Go away clownface

What are you talking about. That wasn't me. I put a link that showed 10 from a reputable site. I further stated he started 6 games. And once again, name calling. I would expect nothing less.

 

[ratking17]

What are you talking about. That wasn't me. I put a link that showed 10 from a reputable site. I further stated he started 6 games. And once again, name calling. I would expect nothing less.

Greatly apologize. Hardpass and Hotshoe are different posters. I apologize for lumping you in with a dumb nitter

 

[HailToPitt1985]

For PSU to win this game, they'll need great line play on both sides of the ball that is better than Pitt's. That isn't going to happen. Their lines suck really bad. If the score is close, which would be a very big surprise, Pitt will just keep pounding the ball into the line and will keep rushing and blitzing whatever no name QB PSU has this year and sacking him. Getting the ball to whoever their RB is will be an almost impossible task.

Pitt has some weaknesses also. But PSU's are a lot more and are in critical areas. And Pitt's skill position players at QB and RB are at least equal to PSU's and probably better, especially at QB.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

He had 1 carry against Temple. But whatever makes you happy.

Well, that's quite a bit different than the DNP you claimed. Plus, no doubt a young man of his talents would have gotten more touches in that game if they hadn't been faced with so many Sackenberg down-and-distance scenarios (which again, is on your offensive line). I mean, Temple didn't put together ten sacks in any TWO games the rest of the season.

 

[Pantherman43]

So you admit Barkley is the far better back?

Like the confidence

When Barkley has a season like Conner did in 2014 then you can say Barkley is the better back. Until that happens, he is not.

As far as this year, Pitt will run 4-5 backs and behind this offensive line they will be more productive.

We'll see what Barkley does this year without a deep passing threat at quarterback. Teams will stack the line and make Barkley beat them unlike last year when many keyed on Hackenburg.

 

[Pantherman43]

Well, that's quite a bit different than the DNP you claimed. Plus, no doubt a young man of his talents would have gotten more touches in that game if they hadn't been faced with so many Sackenberg down-and-distance scenarios (which again, is on your offensive line). I mean, Temple didn't put together ten sacks in any TWO games the rest of the season.

Once Temple figured out Hackenburg was a deer caught in headlights they would have stacked the line taking Barkley out of the game plan had Barkley been the featured back.

This year defenses will make stopping Barkley priority #1 unlike last year when many keyed on Hackenburg. With their offensive line I suspect Barkley will take more of a beating than last year and may be less effective.

 

[H2Pittisit]

PSU is the 5th toughest opponent Pitt has on their schedule, maybe lower. If we can't beat you to a pulp, we'll have some questions to answer and it will be a fluke of massive proportions.

If you're obsessing over the RB's, there are 5 RB's in the ACC better than Barkley. 2 are at Pitt. Just throwing those facts in your face, loser.

But in my mind, we've already won this game. You child rape loving cultists shouldn't even be playing football for a long, long time. You're a very sick, perverted bunch of losers. I count this game as a big W for Pitt, regardless of the score.

I think you are using a very uninformed opinion and calling it a fact. I'm as big of a Pitt fan as anyone and Ollison is nowhere near Barkley. That is why Barkley has been lauded as a top 10 RB in the country and Ollison is 3rd string. Ollison will get yards if the line opens enormous holes. Nothing if not.

 

[hardpass]

When Barkley has a season like Conner did in 2014 then you can say Barkley is the better back. Until that happens, he is not.

As far as this year, Pitt will run 4-5 backs and behind this offensive line they will be more productive.

We'll see what Barkley does this year without a deep passing threat at quarterback. Teams will stack the line and make Barkley beat them unlike last year when many keyed on Hackenburg.

So 100 on Sa gaining more yards than Conner is good with you?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Hotshoes & all the Lair's PSU thoughtful Posters. Below some Links to think for the upcoming Game. From what I read, PSu bringing back 5 to 6 Experienced OL and will have them moving fast as Pitt Defenders fly to the Ball in just as fast pace and haste. Any thoughts all welcomed. Let the discussions continue.

I see it has a smart move on Moorhead having Franklin hiring Limegrover that know each other. i also sense some Johnny Majors to Franklin on Staffing, just a guess, may know more later. Franklin has a personality that reaches out to many people. No question in my Mind, the PSU OL will be better than the last 2 years. Just a Hunch! Pitt better be ready!
PSU OL CURRENT CHALLENGE:
......We meshed so well right away,” Limegrover said. “The biggest thing is even though there's an element of tempo and being fast and what-have-you, it isn't at the expense of fundamentals.” Moorhead expects the line to be “physical” and “mashing,” said Limegrover, adding that Moorhead told him, “We'll spread it out more, but tackle-to-tackle you still need to be physical in the run game. You still need to be at a high level, protection-wise.” Limegrover has sought to unify his linemen and show “love and appreciation” for each other through group efforts like tailgating with his new RV, a home run derby and community outreach that included landscaping projects.
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/10935799-74/limegrover-coach-moorhead


I mention this earlier in another Post, about how Sophomore RB often have a tougher time since Teams prepare for them unlike as Freshmen not knowing them and their abilities.This will go for Pitt's Ollison too. PSU loaded at RB and this article shows it. Besides, Moorhead Offense needs more than 2 Backs and can use as many as 5 to 6 in any game from what i read to keep fresh legs? All thoughts welcomed and appreciated!
PSU RBs More Than Just Barkley, Robinson & Sanders;
Even so, a sophomore slump after a stellar freshman season can happen, and injuries to running backs always are a possibility. That leaves Lions coach James Franklin with a decision to make: Who will be Barkley's backup?
Shifty 5-foot-6 redshirt sophomore Mark Allen is the one second-string candidate with in-game experience. He made the lone start of his collegiate career against Army-West Point last season, when Barkley and former Lions back Akeel Lynch were sidelined with injuries. “(Allen) kind of complements Saquon and some of the other guys that we have,” offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead said at media day. “Mark is a different style of running back, but certainly not one because of his stature that can't run everything we have in our package
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/10937568-74/barkley-allen-running

Once again, few understand how important it is for a CFB Program to have many 5th Year Role Players as Walk-Ons and also those that suffered injuries but got NCAA Approval to extend Eligibility. Penn State has such a Play at LB and Pitt has DL Price given a 6th year. Even the Walk-Ons require Insurance and Expenses as they practice. However, CFB Programs that make more money can afford many more Players as Walk-Ons on the Roster over others less profitable. This is one advantage Paterno had over Pitt for years and PSU still does. Nebraska used to have 200 Players every year having 4 Offenses Unit practicing against 4 Defenses, and the Second Teams both had has many snaps as the First Team. This is one big advantage many fans do not know about. Pitt used to compensate that by playing more freshmen that learned the game but the bigger Programs still have that advantages because they can afford more Players to be on the Roster. In any event. 2 Players will impact this PITT-PSU game, below is PSU 5th Year LB.

Fifth-year senior Wartman-White back:
Admittedly crushed, Wartman-White refused to outwardly “grieve,” as he put it. He said he wanted surgery as soon as possible to begin his recovery. Almost a year later, he is back on the field, a fifth-year graduate senior with one degree in hand, working toward another. He has other goals.
“This year's all about winning,” he said. “If I have one tackle a game and we get a Big Ten championship, and I can put that ring on my finger and keep it for the rest of my life, that matters more than getting 140 tackles.”
Brent Pry, who replaced Bob Shoop as defensive coordinator, augmenting his duties as linebackers coach, was noncommittal when asked whether there is “actual competition” at middle linebacker. Pry noted the “versatility” of his group, which includes Bell, who started 21 games during the last two seasons, and reserves Jake Cooper and Manny Bowen.
Pry acknowledged the “experience and maturity” of the group and called Cabinda “an outstanding leader” who has “great command of the defense.”
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/10935807-74/wartman-season-linebacker

 

[724crew]

You guys are great. When I need a laugh, I come here. PSU 40 Pitt 17

That's a lot of swag for a team that couldn't block anyone last year, had horrible game day decisions from the head coach, and had centers running in touchdowns on them after they rolled over and said uncle. No need to come here for a laugh. Just listen to the things coming out of your own mouth and you will laugh till you're in tears

 

[pittguy81]

He had 1 carry against Temple. But whatever makes you happy.

Accuracy and truth make me happy. How did he have a carry if he didn't play?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

To answer the OP's question: Well

Our OL and DL will prove too much for UPS

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I think you are using a very uninformed opinion and calling it a fact. I'm as big of a Pitt fan as anyone and Ollison is nowhere near Barkley. That is why Barkley has been lauded as a top 10 RB in the country and Ollison is 3rd string. Ollison will get yards if the line opens enormous holes. Nothing if not.

Ollison had 1121 yds rushing as a freshman and was named the ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year. Most of those yards were not through huge holes. And he is the second best RB that Pitt has. Ollison is at least on par with Barkley and, given another year, may be better. Ollison 3rd string???? You're kidding, right?

As a group, Pitt's RB's are quite a bit better than UPS's. But you are right...Pitt's OL will open holes against that weak UPS DL. Hell, any team can do that against UPS. And Barkley will have rough sledding against Pitt's DL, especially since UPS has no OL. No other way to see it. Then add in there that Pitt has an experienced, very good QB and UPS has....well, nothing at QB, and you have another ingredient for a Pitt win.

Line play will determine who wins this game. And Pitt's line play on both sides of the ball is far superior to UPS's. Granted, that doesn't take much as UPS sucks in that area.

And if Barkley is a top 10 RB, Conner is the Heisman winner. Which could happen, I suppose. Let's wait and see if Barkley can even show up against real competition, starting with Pitt, before declaring him a top 10 RB.

I also suspect that you're not a Pitt fan at all but a troll UPS fan.

 

[psugisher]

You guys certainly have a much better handle on what Pitt has back and will be bringing to September 10th's game. I do think the assumption that PSU's o-line and d-line will be bad might be a little off. PSU's o-line has been terrible the last two years playing guys that weren't ready and were converts from the d-line. They are returning 91 career starts this year just behind Pitt who has 99. They might again be bad.. but there should be some measure of improvement as this group has been through just about everything. A more mobile qb should help and the new offense is supposed to hide some of these deficiencies. We'll see..

D-line lacks experience, but they were sitting behind 3 guys that were drafted. It doesn't mean you're not any good if you haven't played because you were sitting behind an NFL player. Most were in the rotation last year. Teams often had success when this group was giving the starters a break last year but they did get plenty of quality game experience. I'm concerned about the inexperience and depth at D-line but the group isn't lacking talent and could again be a strength. If the offense is going 3 and out, you'll certainly be able to pound us. Of course.. if our offense is able to get rolling and your offense goes 3 and out, your d will be gassed and unable to sub opening your d up for big plays.

As for the Conner vs Barkley debate.. I haven't watched enough of Conner to say Barkley is better or vice versa. Barkley did put up 190 at Ohio State.. he's performed well against good defenses. I think he's the kind of back that'll make an offensive coordinator look like a genius. I think it'll be tough for Pitt to prepare defensively. I don't think Penn State shows much vs Kent and there will be virtually no game tape available other than Fordham games. Narduzzi has been a blitz guy with one on one coverage as a Michigan State coordinator. It'll be interesting to see game adjustments throughout.

I'm also concerned about the kicking game and game day coaching. Our punting has been horrible. I don't have confidence in our fg kicker if it comes down to a big kick. That could be the factor that turns the game. Franklin has faked a couple punts that haven't worked. Clock management and managing the end of the game has been a head scratcher. Hoping he's learned from some of his mistakes.

I have no clue how it's going to play out. How does PItt replace Boyd? Is Conner going to be 100%? Have a feeling this could turn into a shootout.. 38-31 type game. Hoping for 48-14..

 

[H2Pittisit]

Ollison had 1121 yds rushing as a freshman and was named the ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year. Most of those yards were not through huge holes. And he is the second best RB that Pitt has. Ollison is at least on par with Barkley and, given another year, may be better. Ollison 3rd string???? You're kidding, right?

As a group, Pitt's RB's are quite a bit better than UPS's. But you are right...Pitt's OL will open holes against that weak UPS DL. Hell, any team can do that against UPS. And Barkley will have rough sledding against Pitt's DL, especially since UPS has no OL. No other way to see it. Then add in there that Pitt has an experienced, very good QB and UPS has....well, nothing at QB, and you have another ingredient for a Pitt win.

Line play will determine who wins this game. And Pitt's line play on both sides of the ball is far superior to UPS's. Granted, that doesn't take much as UPS sucks in that area.

And if Barkley is a top 10 RB, Conner is the Heisman winner. Which could happen, I suppose. Let's wait and see if Barkley can even show up against real competition, starting with Pitt, before declaring him a top 10 RB.

I also suspect that you're not a Pitt fan at all but a troll UPS fan.

I hope you're kidding or maybe you do not watch much college football, but Barkley ran for 194 yds against an Ohio state defense that had first round draft picks all over the field with no oline. You're just making yourself look silly with dumb comments you are making

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Fighting paturdo who fails to comprehend a situation....chocking. Barkley is a good back but go back and watch the OSU game. Most of his yards were when OSU was kicking you asses.

PITT Wins!

I hope you're kidding or maybe you do not watch much college football, but Barkley ran for 194 yds against an Ohio state defense that had first round draft picks all over the field with no oline. You're just making yourself look silly with dumb comments you are making

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Ollison had 1121 yds rushing as a freshman and was named the ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year. Most of those yards were not through huge holes. And he is the second best RB that Pitt has. Ollison is at least on par with Barkley and, given another year, may be better. Ollison 3rd string???? You're kidding, right?

As a group, Pitt's RB's are quite a bit better than UPS's. But you are right...Pitt's OL will open holes against that weak UPS DL. Hell, any team can do that against UPS. And Barkley will have rough sledding against Pitt's DL, especially since UPS has no OL. No other way to see it. Then add in there that Pitt has an experienced, very good QB and UPS has....well, nothing at QB, and you have another ingredient for a Pitt win.

Line play will determine who wins this game. And Pitt's line play on both sides of the ball is far superior to UPS's. Granted, that doesn't take much as UPS sucks in that area.

And if Barkley is a top 10 RB, Conner is the Heisman winner. Which could happen, I suppose. Let's wait and see if Barkley can even show up against real competition, starting with Pitt, before declaring him a top 10 RB.

I also suspect that you're not a Pitt fan at all but a troll UPS fan.

Very good post, thank you!

I see it a tad different but that is why we are discussing it and hope some Fine PITT-PSU Posters weigh in too, because I know less everyday, just like Einstein was quoted, and not near him in the least????

I see Linebackers on both PSU and PITT important for this PITT-PSU Game. They have to cover the Short Passes and still tackle the Running Backs at the Line of Scrimmage and cover with pressure on the QBs without getting tired, reading the plays, and reacting with sure secure tackling???

Any miss moves and it the Defenses can become unglued fast with PITT-PSU RBs & WRs & QBs missing cues? The DBs will have to play up and confront and that could end being burned an d Pitt Wideouts have to be ready to replace Boyd and I predict they can do it, but I know PSU's Wideouts can do it, and Pitt has to cover and stop them?

 

[H2Pittisit]

Fighting paturdo who fails to comprehend a situation....chocking. Barkley is a good back but go back and watch the OSU game. Most of his yards were when OSU was kicking you asses.

PITT Wins!

Incorrect. I suggest you go back and watch again.

Watch this and tell me This was against second teamers. I watched that game. He was good all night long and had a 50 yard run called back. Barkley is a major concern on sept 10th

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"psugisher, post: 1484897, member: 38709"]You guys certainly have a much better handle on what Pitt has back and will be bringing to September 10th's game. I do think the assumption that PSU's o-line and d-line will be bad might be a little off.
I agree and it is clear Pitt Fans think so too. However, what is important is how the Pitt Coaches Teach & Pitt Players think and perform, I don't think Pitt will underestimate them at all and that favors Pitt! But won't know until Game day?

PSU's o-line has been terrible the last two years playing guys that weren't ready and were converts from the d-line. They are returning 91 career starts this year just behind Pitt who has 99. They might again be bad.. but there should be some measure of improvement as this group has been through just about everything. A more mobile qb should help and the new offense is supposed to hide some of these deficiencies. We'll see..
Agree again, and very fair assessment of both Squads!

D-line lacks experience, but they were sitting behind 3 guys that were drafted. It doesn't mean you're not any good if you haven't played because you were sitting behind an NFL player. Most were in the rotation last year. Teams often had success when this group was giving the starters a break last year but they did get plenty of quality game experience. I'm concerned about the inexperience and depth at D-line but the group isn't lacking talent and could again be a strength.
Agree, experience counts and that favors Pitt OLs & DLs. But PSU has RBs and WRs experience too? Pitt has just RBs and WRs are still an unknown? I favor Pitt's TE though! New OC's for both too!

If the offense is going 3 and out, you'll certainly be able to pound us. Of course.. if our offense is able to get rolling and your offense goes 3 and out, your d will be gassed and unable to sub opening your d up for big plays.
Exactly, and could be a blow out early if mistakes happen either way and playing Ketchup at Heinz will be tougher for either? The Coaches that have their Players ready to bring up the Mustard will win it, not Ketchup!

As for the Conner vs Barkley debate.. I haven't watched enough of Conner to say Barkley is better or vice versa. Barkley did put up 190 at Ohio State.. he's performed well against good defenses. I think he's the kind of back that'll make an offensive coordinator look like a genius. I think it'll be tough for Pitt to prepare defensively.
Yep, one miss outside and he is gone, one miss inside and he gone, one bad tackle and he is gone. Pitt Flying DB's have to warp Barkley up too when tackling him? Conner will run over and that is more Ball Control to keep PSU off the Field but does does that matter if PSU makes Big Plays? We shall see?

I don't think Penn State shows much vs Kent and there will be virtually no game tape available other than Fordham games. Narduzzi has been a blitz guy with one on one coverage as a Michigan State coordinator. It'll be interesting to see game adjustments throughout.
Unknowns until Half time, but Pitt Coaches made better Half-Time Adjustments than PSU last year as I saw and recall? Pitt did not quit either and played in the 4th Quarter, did not see that all the time from Franklin's Teams last year?

I'm also concerned about the kicking game and game day coaching.
Excellent Point also Sideline Coaching is not a Franklin Strentgh so far? But 4 New Coaching Positions can change it?

Our punting has been horrible. I don't have confidence in our fg kicker if it comes down to a big kick. That could be the factor that turns the game. Franklin has faked a couple punts that haven't worked. Clock management and managing the end of the game has been a head scratcher. Hoping he's learned from some of his mistakes.
Usually, if a Head Coach has not shown it by Year Two, he might not be able to prove it in Year Three? Coach Pat & Staff showed it last year, but now the other Teams will be ready for this year? We shall see? I see a 17-19 game or 37-34 game either way decided by a kick?

I have no clue how it's going to play out. How does PItt replace Boyd? Is Conner going to be 100%? Have a feeling this could turn into a shootout.. 38-31 type game. Hoping for 48-14.
I'll take 12-0 too again in this century and Paterno losing his last game against Pitt for ending the series?

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Fighting paturdo who fails to comprehend a situation....chocking. Barkley is a good back but go back and watch the OSU game. Most of his yards were when OSU was kicking you asses.

PITT Wins!

Child rape lovers can't comprehend reality. That's the main problem with them. Look at what they're doing with the child rape scandal and their coaches who are guilty of those crimes.

Saying that Barkley ran all over a great O$U defense is obviously an incorrect statement since the O$U defense that was on the field when Barkley was running was not the 1st team defense. Look at YPC for both Barkley and Ollison for the whole year. Somewhat similar, although Barkley is a bit higher because he did get more carries in clean-up time. Ollison and Barkley are similar statistically, except Ollison will not be our featured back and 1st string. Barkley is UPS's only option at RB.

But this bozo has difficulty with facts and reality, so what do you expect.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Fighting paturdo who fails to comprehend a situation....chocking. Barkley is a good back but go back and watch the OSU game. Most of his yards were when OSU was kicking you asses.

PITT Wins!

Hmmmnnnn....it comes down to as Barkley is strong and faster under Moorhead New Offense or Pitt and and other Big Ten Teams are ready for Barkley and does Barkley experience the Sophomore Curse most RBs get after a great First Year? Happen to Dorsett!

 

[H2Pittisit]

Child rape lovers can't comprehend reality. That's the main problem with them. Look at what they're doing with the child rape scandal and their coaches who are guilty of those crimes.

Saying that Barkley ran all over a great O$U defense is obviously an incorrect statement since the O$U defense that was on the field when Barkley was running was not the 1st team defense. Look at YPC for both Barkley and Ollison for the whole year. Somewhat similar, although Barkley is a bit higher because he did get more carries in clean-up time. Ollison and Barkley are similar statistically, except Ollison will not be our featured back and 1st string. Barkley is UPS's only option at RB.

But this bozo has difficulty with facts and reality, so what do you expect.

You obviously didn't watch the tape where Barkley ran for the yards against the first string (unless you think Joey Bosa is second string and the time on the bottom window is photoshopped)and Michigan States defensive lineman called him the best back he faced all year. I'm not saying Ollison is not a good back, but I'm also not a Pom Pom waving fanboy that distorts facts. By the way, which back was running behind the better oline?

 

[HailToPitt1985]

You obviously didn't watch the tape where Barkley ran for the yards against the first string (unless you think Joey Bosa is second string and the time on the bottom window is photoshopped)and Michigan States defensive lineman called him the best back he faced all year. I'm not saying Ollison is not a good back, but I'm also not a Pom Pom waving fanboy that distorts facts. By the way, which back was running behind the better oline?

And what did he have against Illinois, Maryland, Michigan and Georgia????

Pitt's OLine last years was not the best, but certainly better than UPS's. So what? If your precious Barkley is so great, he should be able to run behind a bad OLine and still produce consistent results. He can't. And no, I don't watch your irrelevant, cult-loving program play one game because it's not worth my time. I like to watch real football teams play the game.

I'm not pretending that Barkley isn't a good back, but that's all he is....good. He's on the same level as Ollison as a good back. Different styles, both good.

Now as far as you coming here to a Pitt board, why are you here? Pitt fans aren't permitted on the child rape board because when we state facts, especially about your pervert coaches, we are banned. Your opinions may be worth considering if it weren't that you are a fan of that garbage program and cult. So your opinions in my mind are dismissed as irrelevant, especially since your garbage program shouldn't even be playing football for the foreseeable future.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"HailToPitt1985, post: 1485104, member: 2626"]Child rape lovers can't comprehend reality. That's the main problem with them. Look at what they're doing with the child rape scandal and their coaches who are guilty of those crimes.
I see it a tad different, Sandusky was a Pedophile Sex Scandal of Crimes using the PSu Football Program to attract and abuse children and deserved Conviction by a Penn State Jury!

However, the investigations into Sandusky led to revelations about the violations of the Penn State Football Program and dating back to 1970s not 1990s.

The Penn State Football Program Paterno Era was hurt by NCAA Sanctions and required NCAA Monitor Reforms to correct the Penn State Football Programs Paterno's Errors!

Paterno Great Coach Era with Programs Errors!?

Now back and onto FB Talk:

Saying that Barkley ran all over a great O$U defense is obviously an incorrect statement since the O$U defense that was on the field when Barkley was running was not the 1st team defense.
I see it both ways, without contradiction. Barkley was great against many teams and won the Post Season Awards is proof Barkley was Great, and it is not one Game that makes anyone Great, it is the entire Season?

Others can agree to disagree, but I know Pitt defense is preparing for Barkley and so will OSU in 2016 much more harder and determined too. Barkley is no longer a Secret Weapon but a weapon all Defenses will now know to contend with this season? We Shall See?

Look at YPC for both Barkley and Ollison for the whole year. Somewhat similar, although Barkley is a bit higher because he did get more carries in clean-up time. Ollison and Barkley are similar statistically, except Ollison will not be our featured back and 1st string. Barkley is UPS's only option at RB.
Good point and tend to agree, but Sanders, Robinson, and Allen are not Chump Change either and Moorhead uses multiple backs not just one.

Additionally, if I am Pitt's New OC, I would be looking beyond Conner, Ollison & hall, and Whitehead might be the Best game in this Game on a Secret Pitt September Surprise? Now that Boyd is gone, Whitehead is actually Pitt Best Offensive Weapon with unique big runs and hard to stop on just 10 to 15 Offensive Playes? JUST A HUNCH!

But this bozo has difficulty with facts and reality, so what do you expect.
Banter is expected..................both love our Teams, Players, Programs and Universities. One has Doubts on Barkley and one has No Doubts at all about Barley! I just love CFB, good Post by both!

Only goes to show the PITT-PSU should never had ended, and that was another Paterno Era's Error, and in Hindsight Joe Knew It, but Penn State could not change it since Joe was bigger than them too? Why Reforms weer needed to correct Paterno's Errors during his Era?

 

[ratking17]

Didn't Barkley only have something like 7tds last year? Yards are meaningless if you can't punch it in for 6

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Did I mention 2nd teamers? Post your diploma from the World Campus in order to post again!

 

[H2Pittisit]

And what did he have against Illinois, Maryland, Michigan and Georgia????

Pitt's OLine last years was not the best, but certainly better than UPS's. So what? If your precious Barkley is so great, he should be able to run behind a bad OLine and still produce consistent results. He can't. And no, I don't watch your irrelevant, cult-loving program play one game because it's not worth my time. I like to watch real football teams play the game.

I'm not pretending that Barkley isn't a good back, but that's all he is....good. He's on the same level as Ollison as a good back. Different styles, both good.

Now as far as you coming here to a Pitt board, why are you here? Pitt fans aren't permitted on the child rape board because when we state facts, especially about your pervert coaches, we are banned. Your opinions may be worth considering if it weren't that you are a fan of that garbage program and cult. So your opinions in my mind are dismissed as irrelevant, especially since your garbage program shouldn't even be playing football for the foreseeable future.

Have your mom give you 9.99 and come to the pay board, so we can have an adult discussion. There is not a college football analyst around that will agree with a word you have said. You're entire argument was Ohio state. I just proved you completely wrong. Now, you're saying he should be able to run behind a bad oline(newsflash he has...against Ohio state). I'm not a PennState fan but when I see someone make asinine comments that are based on purely being a homer, I call them out.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

"HailToPitt1985, post: 1485104, member: 2626"]Child rape lovers can't comprehend reality. That's the main problem with them. Look at what they're doing with the child rape scandal and their coaches who are guilty of those crimes.
I see it a tad different, Sandusky was a Pedophile Sex Scandal of Crimes using the PSu Football Program to attract and abuse children and deserved Conviction by a Penn State Jury!

However, the investigations into Sandusky led to revelations about the violations of the Penn State Football Program and dating back to 1970s not 1990s.

The Penn State Football Program Paterno Era was hurt by NCAA Sanctions and required NCAA Monitor Reforms to correct the Penn State Football Programs Paterno's Errors!

Paterno Great Coach Era with Programs Errors!?

Now back and onto FB Talk:

Saying that Barkley ran all over a great O$U defense is obviously an incorrect statement since the O$U defense that was on the field when Barkley was running was not the 1st team defense.
I see it both ways, without contradiction. Barkley was great against many teams and won the Post Season Awards is proof Barkley was Great, and it is not one Game that makes anyone Great, it is the entire Season?

Others can agree to disagree, but I know Pitt defense is preparing for Barkley and so will OSU in 2016 much more harder and determined too. Barkley is no longer a Secret Weapon but a weapon all Defenses will now know to contend with this season? We Shall See?

Look at YPC for both Barkley and Ollison for the whole year. Somewhat similar, although Barkley is a bit higher because he did get more carries in clean-up time. Ollison and Barkley are similar statistically, except Ollison will not be our featured back and 1st string. Barkley is UPS's only option at RB.
Good point and tend to agree, but Sanders, Robinson, and Allen are not Chump Change either and Moorhead uses multiple backs not just one.

Additionally, if I am Pitt's New OC, I would be looking beyond Conner, Ollison & hall, and Whitehead might be the Best game in this Game on a Secret Pitt September Surprise? Now that Boyd is gone, Whitehead is actually Pitt Best Offensive Weapon with unique big runs and hard to stop on just 10 to 15 Offensive Playes? JUST A HUNCH!

But this bozo has difficulty with facts and reality, so what do you expect.
Banter is expected..................both love our Teams, Players, Programs and Universities. One has Doubts on Barkley and one has No Doubts at all about Barley! I just love CFB, good Post by both!

Only goes to show the PITT-PSU should never had ended, and that was another Paterno Era's Error, and in Hindsight Joe Knew It, but Penn State could not change it since Joe was bigger than them too? Why Reforms weer needed to correct Paterno's Errors during his Era?

All very good and valid points, Captain. I think we'll agree to disagree on some points, which is fine. My primary contention with UPS is that I have no respect for what the program did and for their fans who constantly refuse to admit that their cult is guilty also. As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be playing the game.

Ollison also won in season and post-season awards. That's why I'm saying the 2 backs are somewhat on par. But you are right... Pitt will be keying on Barkley because that's the only real dangerous weapon they have, if he can be called dangerous. It won't be nearly as easy for Barkley to get those yards this year.

Also, you're right....Whitehead could be the key dangerous weapon for us this year. Conner will get his yards, as will Ollison. But Whitehead will be explosive.

 

[steel_curtain]

Didn't Barkley only have something like 7tds last year? Yards are meaningless if you can't punch it in for 6

-Yes, he had 7 TD's. 5 of those TD's came against Buffalo, Rutgers, Maryland, and Illinois.

-He also had 68 yards against Michigan. He had 1 run of 56 yards. And 14 carries for 12 yards.

-He also averaged less than 5 yards per carry in 6 different games.

-Put 8 to 9 in the box and constantly blitz and make their QB prove he can throw the deep ball while under constant pressure. Their offense will be a 3 and out machine.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Have your mom give you 9.99 and come to the pay board, so we can have an adult discussion. There is not a college football analyst around that will agree with a word you have said. You're entire argument was Ohio state. I just proved you completely wrong. Now, you're saying he should be able to run behind a bad oline(newsflash he has...against Ohio state). I'm not a PennState fan but when I see someone make asinine comments that are based on purely being a homer, I call them out.

My mother died 2 years ago. I suggest you try and stop with your ignorant statements. I also don't pay to post on a message board, nor do I have the time or inclination to waste my times on childishness. Football isn't important. It's just entertainment and passes the time. That's all it is.

You cite one game. I cite 4 others where he didn't do shit. What's your excuse?

You're not a UPS fan? Who are you kidding? You're not a Pitt fan, that's for sure. What are you anyhow?

 

[H2Pittisit]

My mother died 2 years ago. I suggest you try and stop with your ignorant statements. I also don't pay to post on a message board, nor do I have the time or inclination to waste my times on childishness. Football isn't important. It's just entertainment and passes the time. That's all it is.

You cite one game. I cite 4 others where he didn't do shit. What's your excuse?

You're not a UPS fan? Who are you kidding? You're not a Pitt fan, that's for sure. What are you anyhow?

You seem pretty irrational and fired up to declare football as not important to you

 

[HailToPitt725]

Good news for Penn State: the whole O-line is coming back.

Bad news for Penn State: the whole O-line is coming back

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Take a hike kid

You seem pretty irrational and fired up to declare football as not important to you

 

[Piranha]

Click your ruby slippers together and repeat after me "I wish I went to State, I wish I went to State, I wish.."

I thank God every night that I did not become a brainwashed Cult member. Get lost.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

You seem pretty irrational and fired up to declare football as not important to you

Not irrational or fired up at all. I just can't stand liars, fakes, and trolls.

Football is supposed to be fun to watch. That's how I treat it. It's nitters like you who take the fun away just by being here.

 

[steel_curtain]

All very good and valid points, Captain. I think we'll agree to disagree on some points, which is fine. My primary contention with UPS is that I have no respect for what the program did and for their fans who constantly refuse to admit that their cult is guilty also. As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be playing the game.

Ollison also won in season and post-season awards. That's why I'm saying the 2 backs are somewhat on par. But you are right... Pitt will be keying on Barkley because that's the only real dangerous weapon they have, if he can be called dangerous. It won't be nearly as easy for Barkley to get those yards this year.

Also, you're right....Whitehead could be the key dangerous weapon for us this year. Conner will get his yards, as will Ollison. But Whitehead will be explosive.

-You know what Im excited about? All those 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2, or 4th and 1 plays Pitt blew last year with guys like Darrin Hall, Chris James, and even Ollison last year. Its 3rd and 1 and Pitt has not 1 but 2 tries to get the first down, with James Conner back? Get ready for power football like 2014. Not that joke offense we watched last year where we tried throwing the ball or getting cute instead of smash mouth James Conner. What a difference this year is going to be.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"HailToPitt1985, post: 1485194, member: 2626"]All very good and valid points, Captain. I think we'll agree to disagree on some points, which is fine. My primary contention with UPS is that I have no respect for what the program did and for their fans who constantly refuse to admit that their cult is guilty also. As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be playing the game.
I understand and do not disagree with anyone about what happen there, that is a personal view and all opinions and values welcomed.

I do separate Coaching from the Program. The Penn State Reforms corrected the Program Lack of Institutional control and moved on since Sanctions are gone. New University Policies, New Program following Rules, Laws and Compliances and New Coaches, Renewed series with Pitt, Time for Football. Just my view not gospel?

Ollison also won in season and post-season awards. That's why I'm saying the 2 backs are somewhat on par.
I quite concur, so did Whitehead on Defense! Conner a year before too.

But you are right... Pitt will be keying on Barkley because that's the only real dangerous weapon they have, if he can be called dangerous. It won't be nearly as easy for Barkley to get those yards this year.
We will see, and concur again. I still see a Great Game due to many Great Players on both Squads!

Also, you're right....Whitehead could be the key dangerous weapon for us this year. Conner will get his yards, as will Ollison. But Whitehead will be explosive.
I think Whitehead is another Dorsett, Fitzgerald, Revis, and Boyd can play many positions and looks a tad better than anyone on the field.

Jordan is a very very Special Player and that chose Pitt Is It, and never wavered under Franklin's Dominate State Pleases and Pleads to dump Pitt!

Why the Best Recruits that become the Best Players in CFB and the NFL choose Pitt Is It!

Penn State Fans hate Pitt Recruits when they reject State? Penn State never produced Players like at State or in the NFL and that is seen in NCAA, NFL Record Books and Hall of Fames they like to claim but below Pitt?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

↑Click your ruby slippers together and repeat after me "I wish I went to State, I wish I went to State, I wish.."[/URL]"Piranha, post: 1485401, member: 468"]I thank God every night that I did not become a brainwashed Cult member. Get lost.

Ruby Slippers are for those that believe in Fantasy Stories but if Moose121 wear them good for him!

I know many Penn Stare Alumni that wished that one Cowardly Lion did not choose State, but Sandusky loved State!

The Sanctions Shames State Name, so be careful what you wish for Moose121 it has been an Expensive Experiment Nightmare Reality for State that exposed a Football Program hiding behind some Curtains?

 

[aged_wolverine]

-Yes, he had 7 TD's. 5 of those TD's came against Buffalo, Rutgers, Maryland, and Illinois.

-He also had 68 yards against Michigan. He had 1 run of 56 yards. And 14 carries for 12 yards.

-He also averaged less than 5 yards per carry in 6 different games.

-Put 8 to 9 in the box and constantly blitz and make their QB prove he can throw the deep ball while under constant pressure. Their offense will be a 3 and out machine.

Yeah he looked like he had a bottle rocket up his ass, cause he shot past that line of scrimmage at escape velocity. That kid was gone. IIRC it was Peppers that run him down.


I suspect he wont break 100 once again when they travel to the Big House. We were down 3 D line men by the time we faced PSU. The Buckeyes were able to eat us up on the ground due to it, but PSU couldn't. We get 2 of those guys back this yr(the 3rd graduated). Glasgow a senior at 6 ft 4 in and 300 lbs, and Mone at same height, but 320 lbs. Both play DT.


I just don't see the Nitt O line being that much better when they face Pitt and Michigan in September. Perhaps heading into Nov it will all be rolling for them, but switching styles takes a while, and with their new line coach, they are going zone blocking. I fully expect growing pains.