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I know it probably not a popular thing here in Pittsburgh, but...

There are casual Penguin fans under 25 who think Sidney Crosby is the better player. Nothing against Sid, he is top 5 all time in most polls. But Mario was at least the most talented player and definitely one of the 3 best.
Ive said this before on this board but it bears repeating. When Mario played, you were on the edge of your seat on every shift. You knew greatness could happen at any time. You expected something on every shift.

With Crosby it’s just different. He’s a solid player and an all time great. But he doesn’t approach the same stratosphere as Mario. You don’t expect brilliance on every shift. You just kick back and watch him work his ass off and occasionally he will do something great.
 
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Mario’s best year was when he had 199 points. If he played every game, it was a pace of 209 points.

As I recall Mario had some minor things nagging that year. Not sure if Gretzky had anything nagging in his record setting year of 215 points. That was an era where we had no real idea what was going on in Edmonton, Alberta. But Lemieux missing 4 games due to injury was a good year for him and if he played every game he had an outside shot at the record.

In Gretzky’s prime of 8 years, he missed 8 games total. One year he missed 6 games, two others he missed one game, and the other 5 years of his prime he played every game. It’s been a long time since I thought about these stats, so I might be misremembering, but I don’t think so.

Gretzky was blessed with great talent. And also blessed with great health.
Gretzky was able to play all those games since anyone breathing on him equaled a power play.
 
Gretzky was able to play all those games since anyone breathing on him equaled a power play.
Ain’t that the truth. And then Marty McSorley took care of business and made sure Gretzky had room to operate the whole game.
 
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Gretzky was able to play all those games since anyone breathing on him equaled a power play.
That definitely helped. As did this guy occasionally riding shot gun with him:

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There are casual Penguin fans under 25 who think Sidney Crosby is the better player. Nothing against Sid, he is top 5 all time in most polls. But Mario was at least the most talented player and definitely one of the 3 best.
Just my opinion:

1. Bobby Orr created a paradigm shift in the NHL. Prior to Bobby, defenseman didn't attack in the offensive zone, let alone lead the league in scoring. Many hockey analysts and historians consider Bobby as the game's greatest because of his impact.

2. Mario Lemeiux was the most gifted NHL player ever. His ability to see the entire ice and anticipate was uncanny. Mario also had the softest hands. Any hard pass that he received literally stuck to his blade. That, combined with his anticipation, constantly caught his opponents unprepared to defend his next move (shoot to score or assist an open teammate).

3. Wayne Gretzky's greatness and notoriety gave the NHL a famous and popular superstar. Wayne made it chic to attend a hockey game in the star-studded Los Angeles entertainment market. That growing popularity of the sport resulted to expansion in other markets in the USA.
 
Mario’s best year was when he had 199 points. If he played every game, it was a pace of 209 points.

As I recall Mario had some minor things nagging that year. Not sure if Gretzky had anything nagging in his record setting year of 215 points. That was an era where we had no real idea what was going on in Edmonton, Alberta. But Lemieux missing 4 games due to injury was a good year for him and if he played every game he had an outside shot at the record.

In Gretzky’s prime of 8 years, he missed 8 games total. One year he missed 6 games, two others he missed one game, and the other 5 years of his prime he played every game. It’s been a long time since I thought about these stats, so I might be misremembering, but I don’t think so.

Gretzky was blessed with great talent. And also blessed with great health.
Yes, but no one was allowed to even look twice at Gretzky let alone touch him or Marty McSorley would come over and pummel you. If only Mario had that kind of protection during his prime.
 
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I think provincial people will say Crosby all the way and minimize Ovey’s greatness. For me I’m comfortable enough saying they they are two different players who came into the league together and were both great. That said, there’s a limitation in Ovey’s game that made him a career winger.
Neither one could carry Lemieux’s jock strap.
 
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Sid isnt in Mario's universe i agree but with that said, Sid is such a better two way player. Not that this is saying much since Mario didnt play defense for 90% of his career. but back then, you really didnt need too.
 
Neither one could carry Lemieux’s jock strap.
A lot of people, not just Pittsburgh people, have Crosby as a top 5 all time. Maybe that’s a bit of recency bias, but it goes to show you how much separation lemieux has to another top 5 player. We’ve never seen anything like him. I remember a thread here, man it had to be over ten years ago, where people discussed greatest athlete in Pittsburgh history. Some Steelers were mentioned, and Pirates like Clemente and Stargell were mentioned. But there is no player we’ve intimately seen in this city as great as Mario. No steeler or Pirate is in the same universe. Not even a guy like Arnold Palmer.
 
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A lot of people, not just Pittsburgh people, have Crosby as a top 5 all time. Maybe that’s a bit of regency bias, but it goes to show you how much separation lemieux has to another top 5 player. We’ve never seen anything like him. I remember a thread here, man it had to be over ten years ago, where people discussed greatest athlete in Pittsburgh history. Some Steelers were mentioned, and Pirates like Clemente and Stargell were mentioned. But there is no player we’ve intimately seen in this city as great as Mario. No steeler or Pirate is in the same universe. Not even a guy like Arnold Palmer.
Its Mario at 1 and Armon Gilliam at 1A and everyone else is a distant second. no argument here.
 
...Congratulations to the Washington Capitals Alex Ovechkin on scoring the 798th, 799th and 800th goal of his NHL career. That puts him one behind Gordie Howe for second place and 94 behind Wayne Gretzky for the Number 1 spot.
A tremendous accomplishment by one of the best players to every play the game.
Congratulations to "The Great 8"!!!
He's one of the best goal scorers in NHL history....but even with 800 goals he still trails Sid in all time total points. He's one dimensional, even if that dimension is other worldly.
 
well, we're talking about goals though. and he is within striking distance of passing gretzy as the top goal-scorer of all time. I hope he does. not sure what assists has to do with that.
It speaks to the all around nature of a player, being as adept at making plays for others as scoring goals for yourself
 
Good for him. Sure we're supposed to hate the Caps, but Ovi's been a worthy rival to Sid, Geno and LeTang, the rivalry will go down in the history of the sport as great, Ovi will have the goals record, and the Pens more Cups.
 
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Putin's good friend is a good goal scorer but Sid plays both ends of the ice. I never understood why teams don't shadow him on the PP. He just hangs at the top of the circle and blasts away.
 
Putin's good friend is a good goal scorer but Sid plays both ends of the ice. I never understood why teams don't shadow him on the PP. He just hangs at the top of the circle and blasts away.
Because then it essentially becomes a 4 on 3 power play which has a higher likelihood of giving up a PP goal than 5 on 4 with Ovid.
 
Putin's good friend is a good goal scorer but Sid plays both ends of the ice. I never understood why teams don't shadow him on the PP. He just hangs at the top of the circle and blasts away.
That’s just what I was going to say. He was much more active in previous years. Now he just hangs around waiting for the one timer
 
Crosby edges Ovechkin due to cup wins and the fact that he’s elevated almost every winger he’s ever played with.

That said, Ovechkin is unbelievable in his own right and I refuse to minimize that just because he plays for the caps. While he’s a jagoff on the ice at times he and Crosby have both lived up to their hype. They’ve done if for a decade and a half. We’re fortunate to watch both guys.
 
A lot of people, not just Pittsburgh people, have Crosby as a top 5 all time. Maybe that’s a bit of regency bias, but it goes to show you how much separation lemieux has to another top 5 player. We’ve never seen anything like him. I remember a thread here, man it had to be over ten years ago, where people discussed greatest athlete in Pittsburgh history. Some Steelers were mentioned, and Pirates like Clemente and Stargell were mentioned. But there is no player we’ve intimately seen in this city as great as Mario. No steeler or Pirate is in the same universe. Not even a guy like Arnold Palmer.
Because Crosby is a winner who makes everyone better -
Including the canada national teams
There is a reason he wears the C everywhere he plays
 
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Does this have to be posted on a Pitt football board? No correlation.
You are right, there is no correlation to Pitt football. Kind of like posting stuff about the World Cup, the PIAA State Championships, the Penguins, the Naval Academy firing their Head Coach, Christmas Songs that we missed, Jaromir Jagr, A 12 year old Texas RB, the Army-Navy game, etc...
Need I go on?
 
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Casual observers don't have a voice.

Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, in any order.

Howe and Crosby after them.
I heard Madden say yesterday that if he breaks the goal scoring record, how can you not put him in your top 5. And he has a point. And now that Ovey has trademarked the phrase the “GR8 Chase”, he will be getting all the free marketing and pub that comes with it.

Time to move Mr Hockey out of the top 5.
 
1. Gretzky
2. Lindross
3. Howe
4. Ovi
T5. Lemieux/Jagr/Crosby

Yeah, three guys who happened to make their bones with the same franchise just so happen to be exactly equally as good at hockey. That list isn't lazy or anything. That's dumber than the weekly top 25 pools that remember they forgot about the ACC so they'll put them at 23, 24, and 25.
 
I heard Madden say yesterday that if he breaks the goal scoring record, how can you not put him in your top 5. And he has a point. And now that Ovey has trademarked the phrase the “GR8 Chase”, he will be getting all the free marketing and pub that comes with it.

Time to move Mr Hockey out of the top 5.
I believe Ovi will be the all time goal scorer when he is done. That is an incredible achievement. But I can't put him in the same sentence with Crosby. Maybe it's bias. Not only is Crosby a great scorer, playmaker, and 200 ft player, he has accomplished more while dealing with injuries and physical play. Crosby fights through interference and illegal tactics like nobody else has had to. You could argue Mario and Jagr did too, but they were bigger bodies.

Roberto Clemente never hit more than 29 HRs in a season, yet Barry Bonds couldn't sniff his jockstrap. Other than the occasional injury seeking cheap shot, Ovi is mostly one dimensional. Score goals. Bunches of them. I am not downplaying that aspect of his greatness there. In perspective, Had Mario played 20 full seasons, we wouldn't be talking about Ovi breaking the record, but he will. He is a great goal scorer. On record he will be the greatest to do so. There may be a good argument he belongs top 5. Watching hockey since the early 70's, I am reluctant to do so.
 
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Casual observers don't have a voice.

Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, in any order.

Howe and Crosby after them.
Yeah can't argue this.

I go...... 66, 99, Orr on one tier. I cannot argue in any order you put them.

Then Gordie, Richard and Sid.

Then Bossy, Lafleur, Messier, Lidstrom, Beliveau, Ovy, Jagr, Bourque

Again, order is not so important.
 
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Yeah can't argue this.

I go...... 66, 99, Orr on one tier. I cannot argue in any order you put them.

Then Gordie, Richard and Sid.

Then Bossy, Lafleur, Messier, Lidstrom, Beliveau, Ovy, Jagr, Bourque

Again, order is not so important.
That's a real solid top 14. As you said, after the top 6, order really doesn't matter.

All deserving to be there. If I could throw a few keepers in there too, I would go with Dryden, Brodeur, and Grant Fuhr as well.
 
A lot of people, not just Pittsburgh people, have Crosby as a top 5 all time. Maybe that’s a bit of recency bias, but it goes to show you how much separation lemieux has to another top 5 player. We’ve never seen anything like him. I remember a thread here, man it had to be over ten years ago, where people discussed greatest athlete in Pittsburgh history. Some Steelers were mentioned, and Pirates like Clemente and Stargell were mentioned. But there is no player we’ve intimately seen in this city as great as Mario. No steeler or Pirate is in the same universe. Not even a guy like Arnold Palmer.
Barry Bonds.
 
Barry Bonds.
You know what? I’m going to concede and say that Bonds might be one worthy of at least a discussion.

Yes he won an MVP and probably should have had 2 MVP’s while here, a majority of what he did was in another city. Plus he’s not a HOFer and never will be. So I will still say no.
 
You know what? I’m going to concede and say that Bonds might be one worthy of at least a discussion.

Yes he won an MVP and probably should have had 2 MVP’s while here, a majority of what he did was in another city. Plus he’s not a HOFer and never will be. So I will still say no.
That’s only because the baseball HOF is idiotic
 
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