Keatts at NC State out
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Once again, no one has ever insisted that money isn't an issue in both football and basketball.
The fact that you find yourself continually having to set up strawmen to knock down because you don't know what you are talking about and can't make a coherent, on point argument is actually kind of funny.
I mean for the rest of us. I would imagine it's not nearly as funny to you.
So let me ask you this. Do you have no idea how much money Pitt has and is paying, or do you have an idea and think that it's not enough? When you get done arguing with yourself, get back to the rest of us and let us know.
Thiero got $1.2 million. Thomas will get around $2 million. So, absolutely, we don't have Top 3 NIL money. But neither do 350 other D1 teams. We probably had somewhere in the range of a Top 30 player payroll. Even if it was Top 50, it was good enough. If we are paying $2 million, it's not an automatic guarantee that a team spending $2.1 million will be better. WVU has one of the lowest payrolls and they are going to the NCAAT. You mention Arkansas. They have one of the 5 highest and are barely making the NCAAT.
No , and neither do you .
It’s oblivious with the roster composition that they didn’t have enough resources to field a complete team .
End of discussion.
AGAIN, you’re doing the SAME thing you’re accusing others of doing.
The roster composition means nothing. Athletes get overpaid all the time. And Pitt was in a somewhat desperate position where maybe the overpaid for Corhen for example.
And I truly don’t know. You continue to post as if you do even though you state you don’t. It’s pretty remarkable.
He thinks that payroll DIRECTLY correlates to record. It's maddening. Of course, the more money you have, the more likely it is that you will be good but it doesn't guarantee anything. Arkansas and Kansas State have Top 5-10 payrolls and KSt ain't close to the NCAAT and Arky may be in Dayton. WVU isn't paying anything of note to anyone but Small and are safely in. Of the at-large teams going to the NCAAT, my guess is that our player payroll ranks right around the midpoint. Certainly no worse than the 75th percentile. This roster was well paid. But he thinks that unless you are spending $4 million-$5 million per year, you have no shot and that's not just true because we are paying right around what all but maybe 15 or so schools are paying.
Peak said something to the effect of Pitt donors willing to pledge healthy amounts of money for those guys. Do I know the exact amounts? No. But you can't really wage a war with a program that has unlimited (not literally, but seemingly) pockets. It's like when we offered Matt Canada $1M, which was kind of insane at the time. Well, LSU offered $1.5M. What are you going to do?
There are certain programs you're simply not going to win a bidding war with. The Thiero thing was just bad luck. His coach happened to go to a program with a $5M payroll or whatever it is, and he wanted him.
With Maleek Thomas? I mean, we're not the kind of program that can be chasing 5-stars so that's pretty simple.
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It is just as likely that the resources were fine, and it was the talent evaluation that was lacking. For example, you asked before if people think that Capel didn't realize that he needed a good rebounder. Well the fact of the matter is, Capel spent a good deal of money bringing in Cam Corhen to play center. And Corhen is, and always has been, a poor rebounder. So either Capel did not, in fact, realize that he needed to bring in a good rebounder, OR he completely mis-evaluated the player that he brought in.
Pitt absolutely could have brought in a good rebounder for what Corhen got paid. The problem isn't that they COULDN'T, the problem is that they DIDN'T. The fact that you can't seem to understand the difference is pretty funny.
I've never seen someone so sure that a coach, be it Jeff Capel or Kevin Stallings, is completely infallible like you. You can't even imagine that either of those guys could ever do anything wrong.
I’m responding to those who insist they know something that none of us know .
My thesis is simple , the results and the obvious weaknesses to this team were certainly evident to the coaches long before the rest of us figured it out and they were unable to acquire the pieces they needed in the portal when assembling this roster . The only reason you don’t have the players you need in the NIL era is that you can’t afford them !
Ps …as much as some posters here believe they know everything ( Joe….) the three former and current HC have forgotten more Bb than any of us know .
You hit it on the nose with Capel and evaluating talent. That also goes for the entire staff. You can spend all the money in the world on players and you are not guaranteed to win. It good coaching, player development and meshing a team to play as a team and within a set system. And probably the most important aspect is the players buying into the program on and off the court.
Fiction. He left on his own accord…he had several years left on his contract. Your position on this has been refuted and is pure BS! He didn’t like the AD sticking his nose into the BB program…boo hoo! The AD may have been more congenial toward Dixon if he didn’t want to schedule cupcakes and knew how to put together a coaching staff.
Which is why it is so maddening to hear Capel at his last press conference say there is no time for the staff to rest since they have a new roster to build. They obviously DON"T know how to build a roster in the NIL world. There were obvious needs for this year's roster and Capel missed on ALL. Retaining a career 30% shooter as a key component is not something to brag about. And nothing is going to change.
By the time Pitt eats this idiots contract, the rules of college/professional/minor league sports will probably have changed again - dictated by some California federal court, I am sure.
He did well for 22-23 but I think some of that was luck:
- Nelly was local and cheap
- Elliott had the relationship with the previous Marquette coach on staff and cheap
- Hinson was not even known as a 3 pt shooter and hadnt played in 2 years
Some of it is luck but some of it is evaluation. Corhen and Dunn were misses because their styles weren't what the team needed. Instead of Dunn, we needed and Elliot. Instead of Corhen, we needed a rebounder/defender. I would have taken the ND Ukrainian backup over Corhen because he rebounds. Averaged 8 RPG in the CAA
There are things that happened and situations with Dixon that you know nothing about. Dixon was set to be with the team and committed to stay the night before he was pushed out. Nothing was ever refuted as you claim. The powers that forced Dixon out were behind the scenes and had the purse strings. Dixon had no say in the matter.
There was no forcing out. Dixon had a contract. Even if Barnes said "Jamie, I hate you and am praying that you take the TCU job but I can't lower the buyout," he would have had no choice but to stay.
Sorry, I can’t buy that story for several reasons: he had a contract with several remaining years; he disliked Barnes because Barnes would not give him free rein on all issues related to the BB program; the TCU AD was his buddy and TCU was his Alma mater; and lastly, even in the best of times, every time he didn’t get his way completely he tested the waters with other schools to pressure Pitt for concessions of some type. In the time leading up to his departure, his performance had been flagging and the AD wasn’t going to treat him with the type of kid gloves that the previous AD and chancellor did. Truth be told this all points to him being a diva who wanted his way and when Pitt waived the buyout putting the decision to leave or stay COMPLETELY on Dixon( as opposed to his staying at Pitt only because TCU couldn’t afford the buyout), he jumped ship of his own accord. Yea, I’m sure Dixon wanted to paint the picture that “ he was forced out” ( better for his rep and wanting to be seen as the good guy), but his contractual position, coupled with his history and connections to TCU, don’t support that story AT ALL.
