Maybe It's Time Reform University Basketball & Football

[BuffetParrothead]

Start by investigating Top 20 football and basketball programs, "blow things up", and put them back together the right way, with rules, with ways to investigate programs including processes and methods to enforce compliance.

The corruption,possible criminal issues, and other problems that the NCAA is investigating has been the result of incidents falling into their laps ( LU, MSU, Baylor & PSU are prime examples of this) rather than the NCAA being proactive and finding violations.

If the NCAA had an effective investigative compliance process it would be a deterent for programs comtemplating violating rules, tolerating or participating in possible criminal acitivies.

This would also help deter teams from adding players or hiring coaches who are compliance risks.

Players who live this life of money, gifts, cars and in some cases women ( coed hostesses / hookers in college end up not understanding whats right and whats wrong as they move on to the next level.

Today if you're playing D1/P5 football or basketball and you're not willing to get "dirty" with both players and coaches you won't get the top players on a consistent year after year basis.
This has to change or this problem will become unmanageable!

IMO most Top 20 University programs are violating NCAA recruiting, other rules, turning their heads when criminal activity takes place unless a player or coach is caught.
The only way the NCAA finds out about these violations is due to the occassional "whistle blower " who usually ends up losing his or her job and becomes unemployable in the University sports profession.

So in addition to an improved compliance process, encourage "whistle blowers", or others who have information to come forward without fear of reprisal or loss of employment.

Have University leadership including AD's, coaching staffs, sign documents like Corporate Executives do that would lead to prison time if criminal wrongdoing are Allowed to take place by players or coaches while they're in Leadership positions

This would make it a good idea for University Leadership to be more engaged and to be sure they know whats going on in the world of University athletics.

The phases " I didn't know that", "how did that happen", or "noone told me " can still be spoken but you can still go to jail because it happened on your watch.

In my position as a Global Business Director I sign documents that attest to the fact that I know what's going on in the areas that I manage and to summarize if criminal activity or fraud takes place I go to jail along with the criminals. The "I didn't know that" defense doesn't get me off the hook.

Its Time To Creat University Sports Processes That Include Accountability !!!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

 

[ncyajleel]

I'm not sure if this will help but also limit the amount of donations they are allowed to have or money you are allowed to pour into your teams and programs. Create a more level playing field and maybe the win at all cost mentality will be kept in check.

 

[wbrpanther]

Start by investigating Top 20 football and basketball programs, "blow things up", and put them back together the right way, with rules, with ways to investigate programs including processes and methods to enforce compliance.

The corruption,possible criminal issues, and other problems that the NCAA is investigating has been the result of incidents falling into their laps ( LU, MSU, Baylor & PSU are prime examples of this) rather than the NCAA being proactive and finding violations.

If the NCAA had an effective investigative compliance process it would be a deterent for programs comtemplating violating rules, tolerating or participating in possible criminal acitivies.

This would also help deter teams from adding players or hiring coaches who are compliance risks.

Players who live this life of money, gifts, cars and in some cases women ( coed hostesses / hookers in college end up not understanding whats right and whats wrong as they move on to the next level.

Today if you're playing D1/P5 football or basketball and you're not willing to get "dirty" with both players and coaches you won't get the top players on a consistent year after year basis.
This has to change or this problem will become unmanageable!

IMO most Top 20 University programs are violating NCAA recruiting, other rules, turning their heads when criminal activity takes place unless a player or coach is caught.
The only way the NCAA finds out about these violations is due to the occassional "whistle blower " who usually ends up losing his or her job and becomes unemployable in the University sports profession.

So in addition to an improved compliance process, encourage "whistle blowers", or others who have information to come forward without fear of reprisal or loss of employment.

Have University leadership including AD's, coaching staffs, sign documents like Corporate Executives do that would lead to prison time if criminal wrongdoing are Allowed to take place by players or coaches while they're in Leadership positions

This would make it a good idea for University Leadership to be more engaged and to be sure they know whats going on in the world of University athletics.

The phases " I didn't know that", "how did that happen", or "noone told me " can still be spoken but you can still go to jail because it happened on your watch.

In my position as a Global Business Director I sign documents that attest to the fact that I know what's going on in the areas that I manage and to summarize if criminal activity or fraud takes place I go to jail along with the criminals. The "I didn't know that" defense doesn't get me off the hook.

Its Time To Creat University Sports Processes That Include Accountability !!!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

It’s not time to do that. That time was 40 years ago.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Start by investigating Top 20 football and basketball programs, "blow things up", and put them back together the right way, with rules, with ways to investigate programs including processes and methods to enforce compliance.

The corruption,possible criminal issues, and other problems that the NCAA is investigating has been the result of incidents falling into their laps ( LU, MSU, Baylor & PSU are prime examples of this) rather than the NCAA being proactive and finding violations.

If the NCAA had an effective investigative compliance process it would be a deterent for programs comtemplating violating rules, tolerating or participating in possible criminal acitivies.

This would also help deter teams from adding players or hiring coaches who are compliance risks.

Players who live this life of money, gifts, cars and in some cases women ( coed hostesses / hookers in college end up not understanding whats right and whats wrong as they move on to the next level.

Today if you're playing D1/P5 football or basketball and you're not willing to get "dirty" with both players and coaches you won't get the top players on a consistent year after year basis.
This has to change or this problem will become unmanageable!

IMO most Top 20 University programs are violating NCAA recruiting, other rules, turning their heads when criminal activity takes place unless a player or coach is caught.
The only way the NCAA finds out about these violations is due to the occassional "whistle blower " who usually ends up losing his or her job and becomes unemployable in the University sports profession.

So in addition to an improved compliance process, encourage "whistle blowers", or others who have information to come forward without fear of reprisal or loss of employment.

Have University leadership including AD's, coaching staffs, sign documents like Corporate Executives do that would lead to prison time if criminal wrongdoing are Allowed to take place by players or coaches while they're in Leadership positions

This would make it a good idea for University Leadership to be more engaged and to be sure they know whats going on in the world of University athletics.

The phases " I didn't know that", "how did that happen", or "noone told me " can still be spoken but you can still go to jail because it happened on your watch.

In my position as a Global Business Director I sign documents that attest to the fact that I know what's going on in the areas that I manage and to summarize if criminal activity or fraud takes place I go to jail along with the criminals. The "I didn't know that" defense doesn't get me off the hook.

Its Time To Creat University Sports Processes That Include Accountability !!!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

Separate them out from the University. Remove their tax exempt status. Tax their revenues. Or just the threat of doing that will cause alot of this stuff to end.

 

[elvis63]

It’s not time to do that. That time was 40 years ago.

Yep, and why top 20? Does anyone think 21-120 or whatever are clean ?

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Yep, and why top 20? Does anyone think 21-120 or whatever are clean ?

No!
But you have to start somewhere and the Top 20 will most likely yield the most violations and by "blowing up those programs" the others will probably voluntarily comply.

If you're a "dirty" program, cheating and you're not in the Top 20, you should consider a new line of work because you can't even win at cheating!

Hey I just heard:
"Elvis has left the building"

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

 

[Jpripper88]

Why would the programs do this to themselves? They authorize the NCAA as a governing body. They could just take their ball and leave and the NCAA (along with any schools that didn't want or wasn't invited to join them) would just die on the vine.

The only way this sort of crackdown even comes close to working and happening is if the other 110 FBS schools decide they want the crackdown and they are more valuable than the top 20. Can that happen? I doubt it. 21-130 probably aren't as valuable as 1-20 and 21-50 have very little incentive to team with the little guys, rather than the big fish.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Why would the programs do this to themselves? They authorize the NCAA as a governing body. They could just take their ball and leave and the NCAA (along with any schools that didn't want or wasn't invited to join them) would just die on the vine.

The only way this sort of crackdown even comes close to working and happening is if the other 110 FBS schools decide they want the crackdown and they are more valuable than the top 20. Can that happen? I doubt it. 21-130 probably aren't as valuable as 1-20 and 21-50 have very little incentive to team with the little guys, rather than the big fish.

But you're always a "the glass is half empty guy" which is fine but your point of view.

This isn't private enterprise or the free market they have no where to go! This is college football or basketball not a private business.
The NCAA is the governing body take it or leave it!

 

[kma0043]

How about the idea of no matter who it is, could be UNC hoops or Rice football, drop the hammer hard and equally on violators.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

How about the idea of no matter who it is, could be UNC hoops or Rice football, drop the hammer hard and equally on violators.

Yes but it's difficult to focus on 120 something programs so key in on the group of 20 most likely to yield results and hoping the rest fall in line.

But if something from the larger group surfaces hammer away!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

 

[Harve74]

Start by investigating Top 20 football and basketball programs, "blow things up", and put them back together the right way, with rules, with ways to investigate programs including processes and methods to enforce compliance.

The corruption,possible criminal issues, and other problems that the NCAA is investigating has been the result of incidents falling into their laps ( LU, MSU, Baylor & PSU are prime examples of this) rather than the NCAA being proactive and finding violations.

If the NCAA had an effective investigative compliance process it would be a deterent for programs comtemplating violating rules, tolerating or participating in possible criminal acitivies.

This would also help deter teams from adding players or hiring coaches who are compliance risks.

Players who live this life of money, gifts, cars and in some cases women ( coed hostesses / hookers in college end up not understanding whats right and whats wrong as they move on to the next level.

Today if you're playing D1/P5 football or basketball and you're not willing to get "dirty" with both players and coaches you won't get the top players on a consistent year after year basis.
This has to change or this problem will become unmanageable!

IMO most Top 20 University programs are violating NCAA recruiting, other rules, turning their heads when criminal activity takes place unless a player or coach is caught.
The only way the NCAA finds out about these violations is due to the occassional "whistle blower " who usually ends up losing his or her job and becomes unemployable in the University sports profession.

So in addition to an improved compliance process, encourage "whistle blowers", or others who have information to come forward without fear of reprisal or loss of employment.

Have University leadership including AD's, coaching staffs, sign documents like Corporate Executives do that would lead to prison time if criminal wrongdoing are Allowed to take place by players or coaches while they're in Leadership positions

This would make it a good idea for University Leadership to be more engaged and to be sure they know whats going on in the world of University athletics.

The phases " I didn't know that", "how did that happen", or "noone told me " can still be spoken but you can still go to jail because it happened on your watch.

In my position as a Global Business Director I sign documents that attest to the fact that I know what's going on in the areas that I manage and to summarize if criminal activity or fraud takes place I go to jail along with the criminals. The "I didn't know that" defense doesn't get me off the hook.

Its Time To Creat University Sports Processes That Include Accountability !!!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

I don't disagree with any of your points. College athletics, at the D-1 level is quite corrupt.

But, I think you miss the major point. The NCAA is not an independent agency with oversight of athletics.

It is the association OF college athletics, of the programs themselves. They would have to actively police, investigate and sanction themselves.

They don't really want to do that. While there are reformers on every campus, mostly, the powers that be on campus are basically satisfied with things as they are.

Unless that basic situation changes, nothing else will change.

 

[Jpripper88]

But you're always a "the glass is half empty guy" which is fine but your point of view.

This isn't private enterprise or the free market they have no where to go! This is college football or basketball not a private business.
The NCAA is the governing body take it or leave it!

I am not, but this is a facts issue anyway. Glass half full or half empty doesn't matter.

The NCAA is the governing body because the schools agree to let them be there governing body. If the schools want to leave or replace the governing body, the NCAA can't do anything about it.

 

[elvis63]

No!
But you have to start somewhere and the Top 20 will most likely yield the most violations and by "blowing up those programs" the others will probably voluntarily comply.

If you're a "dirty" program, cheating and you're not in the Top 20, you should consider a new line of work because you can't even win at cheating!

Hey I just heard:
"Elvis has left the building"

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

Again , I doubt it’s possible now. You take the top twenty ? Currently, or an average over x amount of years ? Why not 25? Why not 40? You think certain bottom feeders don’t pull shady stuff?

Sorry those cows are long out the barn. I don’t know how to fix it but I’ve had a few ideas. Athletes apply and must be admitted on solely academic requirements. Think Michigan or Northwestern would like that ? Or Stanf

No!
But you have to start somewhere and the Top 20 will most likely yield the most violations and by "blowing up those programs" the others will probably voluntarily comply.

If you're a "dirty" program, cheating and you're not in the Top 20, you should consider a new line of work because you can't even win at cheating!

Hey I just heard:
"Elvis has left the building"

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

That ship has sailed . I doubt we can fix it.

 

[elvis63]

One suggestion I’d make is a blind admission by regular academic standards. Though I doubt certain schools would like that. Doubt Stanford has a viable football team under those rules.

 

[elvis63]

Sorry thought I lost the partial post prior to my last post.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

One suggestion I’d make is a blind admission by regular academic standards. Though I doubt certain schools would like that. Doubt Stanford has a viable football team under those rules.

Actually that would be a start in the clean-up process. Although the "bidding" and pay-offs for top eligible players might still exist.

This would force more players to enter the NBA directly from HS and a basketball minor league or some basketball feeder program start-up by an enterprising business person.


"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

 

[elvis63]

Actually that would be a start in the clean-up process. Although the "bidding" and pay-offs for top eligible players might still exist.

This would force more players to enter the NBA directly from HS and a basketball minor league or some basketball feeder program start-up by an enterprising business person.


"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

Imo the nfl and nba are getting off cheap with their not real but actually they are minor leagues.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

One suggestion I’d make is a blind admission by regular academic standards. Though I doubt certain schools would like that. Doubt Stanford has a viable football team under those rules.

That's impossible, because let's face it, schools with non athletic scholarships don't do it purely on the basis of academic merit. And on top of that, even Alabama, many of the kids playing couldn't get in those schools.

Academic "fraud" is not the biggest issue. College football has always been a place where lunkheads go get fake degrees (yes this includes Penn State) and somehow stay eligible.

It is the culture of entitlement and the money spent. Again, you want to scare the NCAA and the institutions straight? Just have congress threaten to remove the not for profit status of their football teams, and threaten to tax their revenues.

 

[pittdan77]

Only way the NCAA is "reformed" and cleans things up is under government pressure.

Michigan State is a good example, at least locally. The state is looking to remove state appointed directors and place controls on the school and how it settles these cases. It's way more likely other states will look at the amount of money schools like PSU and Michigan State will shell out and consider how to manage the risk. Then again, if the cash cows keep giving milk, who cares.

Like everything else, money is the only factor that really matters to anyone in a position to take action.

 

[rmf05]

Take away athletic scholarships. Force pro leagues to create functioning farm leagues. If a student athlete gets a needs-based or other scholarship and leaves early for any reason whatsoever penalize the program.

 

[Pitt79]

Start by investigating Top 20 football and basketball programs, "blow things up", and put them back together the right way, with rules, with ways to investigate programs including processes and methods to enforce compliance.

The TV Networks would get upset if you hurt the NAME BRAND teams! While I'd LOVE to have Bama and ND and tOSU football, and Kentucky, Duke and UNC basketball TOTALLY DESTROYED AND BURIED, most people wouldn't. I'd love for those teams to be brutally disarmed and then make the NCAA have NFL type parity where it's hard to be consistently good. So that every years championship doesn't look like a rerun of the year before.

 

[Pitt79]

Why would the programs do this to themselves? They authorize the NCAA as a governing body. They could just take their ball and leave and the NCAA (along with any schools that didn't want or wasn't invited to join them) would just die on the vine.

The only way this sort of crackdown even comes close to working and happening is if the other 110 FBS schools decide they want the crackdown and they are more valuable than the top 20. Can that happen? I doubt it. 21-130 probably aren't as valuable as 1-20 and 21-50 have very little incentive to team with the little guys, rather than the big fish.

GOOD! Let them go! I'd enthusiastically just watch whatever conference Pitt is in, I don't need the blue bloods, I don't watch them anyways, let them leave and create a Super League of 20-30 schools that want to spend way more and make it semi pro or whatever. I'll watch NFL and whatever football league Pitt is in. Take your ball and leave.

 

[Pitt79]

Athletes apply and must be admitted on solely academic requirements.

Ban sports scholarships and make the sports teams just regular students that try out, like in high school! I'd gladly watch that. And Pitt vs. Bama would be more in line with Pittsburgh people vs. Tuscaloosa people. I don't care if the quality of play would be less. I'd bet that would fill Heinz Field more than some NFLK feeder league that pays super skilled players that don't want to go to college.

 

[Pitt79]

Academic "fraud" is not the biggest issue. College football has always been a place where lunkheads go get fake degrees (yes this includes Penn State) and somehow stay eligible.

Not Pitt? Pitt's players are SMART??? LMFAO

 

[Pitt79]

Just have congress threaten to remove the not for profit status of their football teams, and threaten to tax their revenues.

This is a great idea. It's a joke to think it's a non profit extracurricular activity for students.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Ban sports scholarships and make the sports teams just regular students that try out, like in high school! I'd gladly watch that. And Pitt vs. Bama would be more in line with Pittsburgh people vs. Tuscaloosa people. I don't care if the quality of play would be less. I'd bet that would fill Heinz Field more than some NFLK feeder league that pays super skilled players that don't want to go to college.

I'd bet not. Look, I understand the bluebloods comments. But what would you rather see, a UCF/Boise State college football playoff game, or Ohio State/Alabama?? Or a Final 4 game of St. Mary's/Vanderbilt or Duke/Kentucky?

And you might say the former to both. That would make you 1 out of 30, or worse.

 

[Parkview57]

The$e are great post$, they really are, but I ju$t wa$ted 10 minute$ of my life reading them.

 

[elvis63]

That's impossible, because let's face it, schools with non athletic scholarships don't do it purely on the basis of academic merit. And on top of that, even Alabama, many of the kids playing couldn't get in those schools.

Academic "fraud" is not the biggest issue. College football has always been a place where lunkheads go get fake degrees (yes this includes Penn State) and somehow stay eligible.

It is the culture of entitlement and the money spent. Again, you want to scare the NCAA and the institutions straight? Just have congress threaten to remove the not for profit status of their football teams, and threaten to tax their revenues.

Oh I agree, it’s basically a silly hypothetical. Kind of shows how “ academics” is so important but more important for a non athlete student .
Of course my kids paid money, they didn’t make extra for their schools .

 

[Harve74]

As we all saw during the uproar over the Ped scandal, there is just too much money involved. Money talks, at every level.

Nobody wants to kill the Golden Goose.

Besides, TV sports is bread and circuses for the masses. Congress isn't going to shut them down.

 

[Pitt79]

I'd bet not. Look, I understand the bluebloods comments. But what would you rather see, a UCF/Boise State college football playoff game, or Ohio State/Alabama?? Or a Final 4 game of St. Mary's/Vanderbilt or Duke/Kentucky?

And you might say the former to both. That would make you 1 out of 30, or worse.

I'm absolutely sick of seeing Ohio State, Alabama, Duke and Kentucky! If I see they are on, I look for something else to watch, the truth is, a great game is a great game, no matter the quality of play, I already do watch games like UCF/Boise State over Ohio State/Alabama in the regular season. I'm about ready to drop the NFL for the XFL if they change the game so that referees have little or no influence and they get rid of replay.

So if all the great, off the hook athletes quit going to college and there was an NFL minor league affiliate playing in Pittsburgh, let's call them The Yinzers , you'd go watch that over a Pitt Panthers game made up of lesser quality players who are just Pitt students? No way in hell, H2P.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think they should eliminate all off-campus recruiting. It would eliminate a lot of the handlers.

Have NCAA-run summer camps for football and basketball that all coaches could be invited too. No AAU team, coaches, entourages, etc. All recruiting is done at these events or on campus visits

 

[Pitt79]

I'd bet not.

NBA G League games have less fans than High School games. Those teams are better quality players than college basketball. Why aren't they selling out? Because people are more interested in rooting for their schools than seeing the best quality of play.

 

[Jpripper88]

GOOD! Let them go! I'd enthusiastically just watch whatever conference Pitt is in, I don't need the blue bloods, I don't watch them anyways, let them leave and create a Super League of 20-30 schools that want to spend way more and make it semi pro or whatever. I'll watch NFL and whatever football league Pitt is in. Take your ball and leave.

You probably won't watch NFL, but the point is that those programs would make all the money and Pitt and anyone else left behind would revert to D-1AA status. You say that would be great and you would watch, but most people wouldn't.

 

[Pitt79]

You probably won't watch NFL, but the point is that those programs would make all the money and Pitt and anyone else left behind would revert to D-1AA status. You say that would be great and you would watch, but most people wouldn't.

I don't care about "most people", I go to minor league soccer games because I HAVE FUN there, it would bore the shht out of me to wake up and watch the English Premier League at 7 am because they are "best quality like some people do. If Pitt was D1AA and winning and in playoff games, I'd be more excited than being big time and 5-7.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I'm absolutely sick of seeing Ohio State, Alabama, Duke and Kentucky! If I see they are on, I look for something else to watch, the truth is, a great game is a great game, no matter the quality of play, I already do watch games like UCF/Boise State over Ohio State/Alabama in the regular season. I'm about ready to drop the NFL for the XFL if they change the game so that referees have little or no influence and they get rid of replay.

So if all the great, off the hook athletes quit going to college and there was an NFL minor league affiliate playing in Pittsburgh, let's call them The Yinzers , you'd go watch that over a Pitt Panthers game made up of lesser quality players who are just Pitt students? No way in hell, H2P.

This is a pro city. If Pitt is playing on a level, like DII, they are pretty much completely anonymous and irrelevant. Would I root and want them to be successful? Sure. Would I care as much if they weren't? Nope.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I don't care about "most people", I go to minor league soccer games because I HAVE FUN there, it would bore the shht out of me to wake up and watch the English Premier League at 7 am because they are "best quality like some people do. If Pitt was D1AA and winning and in playoff games, I'd be more excited than being big time and 5-7.

But again, you are in the minority. Very much the minority. It is if I like Rutabagas, and can't figure out why McDonald's and Ruth's Chris Steakhouse don't prominently feature rutabagas on their menus. Of why wherever I go, I can't get rutabagas to eat. Why other people don't want to eat rutabagas over steak, or lobster or pizza or wings.

It is your personal choice that you like lower level, anonymous, no name sporting events which is fine. That's okay, it is your right. But I want to watch the best. I don't like Duke, but I love watching a talent like Marvin Bagley. Much moreso than I do watching Peace Ilegomah. I much rather watch the Pittsburgh Penguins play hockey than Robert Morris. I loved watching Larry Fitzgerald here or Darrelle Revis over say Joe DelSardo or Dennis Briggs.

That is the way 90% of the people are. You are one of the 10 percenters who feel otherwise.

 

[Jpripper88]

But again, you are in the minority. Very much the minority. It is if I like Rutabagas, and can't figure out why McDonald's and Ruth's Chris Steakhouse don't prominently feature rutabagas on their menus. Of why wherever I go, I can't get rutabagas to eat. Why other people don't want to eat rutabagas over steak, or lobster or pizza or wings.

It is your personal choice that you like lower level, anonymous, no name sporting events which is fine. That's okay, it is your right. But I want to watch the best. I don't like Duke, but I love watching a talent like Marvin Bagley. Much moreso than I do watching Peace Ilegomah. I much rather watch the Pittsburgh Penguins play hockey than Robert Morris. I loved watching Larry Fitzgerald here or Darrelle Revis over say Joe DelSardo or Dennis Briggs.

That is the way 90% of the people are. You are one of the 10 percenters who feel otherwise.

Very, very nice of you to say 10%.

The funny thing is, in Pitt79's scenario you wouldn't even be able to watch Pitt on TV. That could mean attendance would skyrocket!!! Oh. Wait. He doesn't go to the games, either.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

They could always enforce honest admission standards.

 

[ncyajleel]

I agree. If Pitt were 1AA, I would probably never go to another game. In fact, I don't like going when they play 1AA teams because it doesn't seem real to me for some reason. I don't go to minor league baseball or hockey games and I don't root for Division II or III teams and I work at a Division III school.

When I went to college, I went to Edinboro because they had DI wrestling and I thought I could start there better than I could at a big school, I wanted to wrestle the best. I never started a match and got my ass handed to me every day at practice, but at least I was with the best. Its just difference in opinion. I would rather say I was with the best and was average than say I was a champion at a lower level. Not that I would have been, turns out I wasn't very good at wrestling.

But again, you are in the minority. Very much the minority. It is if I like Rutabagas, and can't figure out why McDonald's and Ruth's Chris Steakhouse don't prominently feature rutabagas on their menus. Of why wherever I go, I can't get rutabagas to eat. Why other people don't want to eat rutabagas over steak, or lobster or pizza or wings.

It is your personal choice that you like lower level, anonymous, no name sporting events which is fine. That's okay, it is your right. But I want to watch the best. I don't like Duke, but I love watching a talent like Marvin Bagley. Much moreso than I do watching Peace Ilegomah. I much rather watch the Pittsburgh Penguins play hockey than Robert Morris. I loved watching Larry Fitzgerald here or Darrelle Revis over say Joe DelSardo or Dennis Briggs.

That is the way 90% of the people are. You are one of the 10 percenters who feel otherwise.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

They could always enforce honest admission standards.

But again, what is that? There are always "special dispensation" met in admitting students for diversity and other reasons. I am not saying that is a bad thing, and not dare wanting to get into the politics of it, just merely stating that colleges don't always take the most qualified of applicants. So why would you want to extend this to football? And more to the point, how would this help the seedy undercurrent of cheating, because the big time programs will still get the best players.