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Who cares. Why is that even relevant? Does it make everybody feel better that if they did and he turned it down we are better loved? Good or bad, PN in his mind has finally got Pitt to where he is seeing the fruits of his labor and has put Pitt in a good position going forward. My guess is that is why he turned it down to begin with.The original offer wasn't enough and tucker turned them down.
They sweetened the deal and he signed. The question I have, is did they circle back to Narduzzi with a second, sweeter offer?
Who cares. Why is that even relevant? Does it make everybody feel better that if they did and he turned it down we are better loved? Good or bad, PN in his mind has finally got Pitt to where he is seeing the fruits of his labor and has put Pitt in a good position going forward. My guess is that is why he turned it down to begin with.
Who cares. Why is that even relevant? Does it make everybody feel better that if they did and he turned it down we are better loved? Good or bad, PN in his mind has finally got Pitt to where he is seeing the fruits of his labor and has put Pitt in a good position going forward. My guess is that is why he turned it down to begin with.
Could also discuss also the recent recruits Pitt offered in football. Or, maybe discuss whether or not the incoming FR will have an impact on this incoming class.You're right of course.
Let's go back to talking about the Penguins, the pirates, the XFL and mark madden.
One year as a head coach at 5-7. Only in college football.
Once you become a member of the mile high club, they can't take it away.I can't imagine wanting to leave Boulder Colorado for East Lansing. But I guess an additional $2.4MM might do it.
True.Once you become a member of the mile high club, they can't take it away.
This is the reason college sports should include non compete clauses/agreements in coach contracts.
We hired you for x years.
If we fire you you get xxxx $.
If you leave you get either $0 or xxxx $ ( depends what you negciated) and you cant work in the same or related industry ( football coach)
until your contract expires.
You can work as a TV analyst or something like that but you cant coach until your contract expires.
The private sector does this with top people all the time.
I had to sign a non compete clause the last 20 yrs of my working career.
College football needs staff stability!
He was committed right up until the moment that he wasn't.
While non-competes are common in in the real world, they are generally disfavored by courts and are governed by state law. As a general rule, you cannot lock someone out of participating in their profession/job without significant geographic and time restrictions [and it still may not be enforceable]. To the extent this is a problem from a University athletic perspective, you just write a contract that has heavy financial penalties for breaching the contract [leaving early]. Generally speaking, most coaches would refuse to sign such an offer. I understand your point, but unfortunately the remedy you suggest would not solve the problem in most cases. Hail to Pitt!
Non-competes, shwan-competes. I’m still trying to process this little gem:He's so funny because he's simulatenously "da free market is gawd hurr durr!" but also "employees should all sign non-competes so they can't leave their companies!"
Just baffling levels of inconsistency and ignorance.
Thank you excellent info.While non-competes are common in in the real world, they are generally disfavored by courts and are governed by state law. As a general rule, you cannot lock someone out of participating in their profession/job without significant geographic and time restrictions [and it still may not be enforceable]. To the extent this is a problem from a University athletic perspective, you just write a contract that has heavy financial penalties for breaching the contract [leaving early]. Generally speaking, most coaches would refuse to sign such an offer. I understand your point, but unfortunately the remedy you suggest would not solve the problem in most cases. Hail to Pitt!
He's so funny because he's simulatenously "da free market is gawd hurr durr!" but also "employees should all sign non-competes so they can't leave their companies!"
Just baffling levels of inconsistency and ignorance.
In Pharma and other companies like Tech non compete agreements are common for key employees especially researchers.
Last time I looked
In CFB, there are contract buyouts that effectively work as a barrier against losing someone. The theory is that if another school wants to poach the HC, he (but really the predatory school) will have to pony up. It's a risk for the school because, in turn, they usually have to offer a buyout in the event they want to end the contract early and fire the guy. That can go horribly wrong (see Charlie Weiss). Remember the time Pitt had to pay a settlement to the guy that was HC for a couple of days?
Everything has a price. Even your pharma or tech non-compete clause. I'd never sign one unless I was certain it was the right move and the compensation was right.
Dear Mr Flea,
I'm not sure how you make your living but I reported to C suite people in a Fotune 500 Pharma Co.
I appreciate PittLaw's very informative response.
One point that PittLaw may have misunderstood was when a person signs a non compete agreement they get significant compensation to not work for a specified period usually the length of their contract if they get fired or decide to leave.
I had to sign one.
In Pharma and other companies like Hi Tech non compete agreements are common for key employees especially researchers.
Last time I looked Pharma and Tech participate in the free market.
College HC 's are key employees.
I didn't say every employee.Only key employees and executives which I'm sure would have excluded you Flea.
This would encourage hc's to stay in their jobs for the length of their contracts which equals stability.
The theory is an individual will accept the non compete payout and not challenge the agreement in court with their money.
It works for large companies so it should work for colleges.
I hope Mr Flea brain understands.
Thanks!I am aware of the law and the situation [and how a non-compete works]. We are talking multi-million dollar a year contracts for college football coaches. The non-compete value would never match the new offer, or the employee would not contemplate leaving. I'd venture to say that a non-compete for a football coach may be enforceable in some states...if it is very carefully tailored, has some limited geographic scope and is short in time. I'd also venture to say that it would be tough to find a court that would enforce a 4 or 5 year ban on coaching college football for a particular coach. As for the pharma industry, trust me, non-competes are litigated and nullified on a regular basis. I respect your concept, just telling you, a non-compete will not solve the problem for college football or basketball. Hail to Pitt!
I get that but here's the difference.
Your posts are good posts.
The objective of non compete agreements is to discourage key employees from leaving.
leaving.
With a non compete the HC could leave but can't work until his or her contract expires or for the term in the non compete contract.
They get paid to sit if they're smart enough to include that in their non compete contract.
I had one like that. If I left I got paid but couldn't work for a competitor for 5 years. That's a long time and I might have trouble getting a top exec job after being out of the market for that time period.
Coach buyouts are negotiated down and the HC leaves and starts work the next day leaving one college program scrambling to keep recruits, players and coaches.
Who gets hurt?
The student athlete.
Pitt is the poster program for this remember 5 or so coaches in six years.
Dear Mr Flea,
I'm not sure how you make your living but I reported to C suite people in a Fotune 500 Pharma Co.
I appreciate PittLaw's very informative response.
One point that PittLaw may have misunderstood was when a person signs a non compete agreement they get significant compensation to not work for a specified period usually the length of their contract if they get fired or decide to leave.
I had to sign one.
In Pharma and other companies like Hi Tech non compete agreements are common for key employees especially researchers.
Last time I looked Pharma and Tech participate in the free market.
College HC 's are key employees.
I didn't say every employee.Only key employees and executives which I'm sure would have excluded you Flea.
This would encourage hc's to stay in their jobs for the length of their contracts which equals stability.
The theory is an individual will accept the non compete payout and not challenge the agreement in court with their money.
It works for large companies so it should work for colleges.
I hope Mr Flea brain understands.
Let’s see how fast #Coloduzzi takes to start!..Narduzzi to Colorado!!!
I'm an employment attorney. I practiced privately for a number of years at a large, international, law firm, and now I work on similar issues (among many others) at a global company. I am very familiar with the state of the law on non-competes.
First, I've seen few, if any, non-competes that came with garden leave (i.e., your former employer pays you to not work during the restricted period). That is generally just not a provision that is found in US law. Some states (i.e., Washington) now require it but only if the non-compete is enforced as a result of a layoff. So if you leave of your own accord, you still don't get paid.
Second, you're incorrect on non-competes being limited to "key" employees or that employees receive significant compensation to sign a non-compete. Non-competes can be used this way, but in recent decades they have proliferated and become a way for bad companies to capture employees and depress wages. In fact, non-competes have become so ubiquitous and burdensome that many fast food restaurants have gotten busted trying to enforce non-competes against hourly workers who earn in the single digit dollars per hour, and managers who make less than $50,000 per year. These are hardly "key" employees. Other hugely profitable companies like Apple and Google have gotten caught using illegal "no-poach" agreements whereby they agreed not to hire each other's workers. This again resulted in the capture of employees and depressing of wages. It's not a conspiracy, it's a documented fact that companies engage in this behavior as a means to tie their employees down and/or depress their labor costs. My company believes that the best way to keep employees is to treat its people well and pay well. We don't use them whatsoever.
Beyond your typical ignorance with respect to these issues or the state of the law, I think your view of encouraging or requiring coaches to work to the end of their contract is misguided at best. Sure, you can force someone to work but you can't force them to work well. Do you really want the coach of your football team being forced to work somewhere he no longer wants to be for years on end? You claim to be a smart guy, for a boomer anyway, so I feel no need to explain to you why that isn't a very good idea.
I'm not an attorney. Is a non-compete agreement the part of the contracts of Ed Bozik, J. Dennis O'Connor, Scott Barnes, etc. that incented them to make Pitt non-competitive and run our programs into the ground?
So you like the chaos that ensues when a coach who signs a 5 yr contract leaves after one year.
Student athletes who were recruited by that coach thinking he'd be there for their tenure are now scrambling to find a new home along with assistant coaches.
Many of these coaches are State employess not private section workers and are paid with tax $ with PITT being one of those Universities.
This isnt the dog eat dog private sector which I love and worked in all my life.
Coaches leaving prior to the expiration of their contract has a lot of Negative Unintended Consequences for student athletes and the Universities that they attend.
Just use PITT football as an example!
The PITT football coaching carosel did have a negative impact on the football program and the University