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More OT Pirates - Liriano to Toronto

The way Liriano has been pitching, surely no great loss. And since the owner and management are not interested in winning this year, why not just save some cash?
 
Still haven't seen anything official on that one, but what I did see is . . . that the Pirates sent Jon Niese back to the Mets for . . . Ol' Dirty Bastardo! So, essentially they gave the Mets Neil Walker for nothing. No matter what statistical metric you use to evaluate Walker, clearly the Pirates lost the "WAR" there.
 
I havent seen Hutchinson play, but the stats look pretty bleak. Nova's were too.. homerun crazy and probably not much better in PNC for him. Hope the league change does him well as it did Happ.

Honestly.. Nova turns out to be the on bright spot... dim spot... unless we gave up an top 20 prospect for him.

Seriously, can someone please let me know what they think Neil Huntingdon is doing? Yeah, yeah, salary stuff. But, this is really odd, not just normal salary stuff.
 
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I don't understand this trade, beyond it being a really big overpay for a salary dump. The Melancon trade made a lot of sense, but this one makes none.
 
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Hey, we threw in Reece McGuire as one more up yours to the Bucco fans. Rameriz, McGuire AND Liriano for a back end rotation soon to be 26 year old pitcher who is arbitration eligible and would most likely be DFA due to his 5.57 era in the majors.

I can only guess the PTBNL in the Nova trade must be Marte???
 
I defended the Melancon trade but this one ticks me off. We basically traded McGuire and Ramirez in exchange for Toronto agreeing to take Liriano's contract off our hands.

What a joke.
 
Still haven't seen anything official on that one, but what I did see is . . . that the Pirates sent Jon Niese back to the Mets for . . . Ol' Dirty Bastardo! So, essentially they gave the Mets Neil Walker for nothing. No matter what statistical metric you use to evaluate Walker, clearly the Pirates lost the "WAR" there.
Oh no Saber is never wrong.....
Walker is a lousy second baseman.
 
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The trade gets worse... Reese McGuire is the other prospect. Melancon was not a dump, but this is a dump. To get Toronto (another small market team) to take Liriano, they had to kick in two prospects...

Listen, stop ranting. Instead stop watching or following the Pirates. They owe us nothing. On the other hand we don't owe them dick either....
 
To get Toronto (another small market team)


Toronto a small market team? In what universe is that true? Surely not this one.

If Toronto were in the United States it would be the fifth biggest city in the country. It is almost the same size as Dallas/Fort Worth. It's larger than Philadelphia. And it is also the only team in it's whole country, so they actually get more television money than their actual market size would suggest.

The notion that Toronto is a small market is, well, bizarre.
 
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I don't think anyone's too upset about dealing Liriano. But including Ramirez and getting Hutchison as the return doesn't seem good.
agree Lriano isn't the problem he is a aging pitcher who has been bad all season. Chances are he won't get it back next year and he will be making 17 million. But this is basically a salary dump and they gave away a solid prospect to save some money, they couldn't get the blue jays to take the salary without a prospect.
 
Anybody else wanna join my protest of anything Pirates till new ownership is in place? Even if you love the sport, you can't continue to support this junk. Why should Nuttings wallet be the only one doing the talking?
 
agree Lriano isn't the problem he is a aging pitcher who has been bad all season. Chances are he won't get it back next year and he will be making 17 million. But this is basically a salary dump and they gave away a solid prospect to save some money, they couldn't get the blue jays to take the salary without a prospect.

I guess you haven't heard they included Reese McGuire as well. So that's their #s 5 & 6 prospects. And it's definitely a salary dump. Unless of course if they use that money on signing a free agent (not typed with a straight face).
 
agree Lriano isn't the problem he is a aging pitcher who has been bad all season. Chances are he won't get it back next year and he will be making 17 million. But this is basically a salary dump and they gave away a solid prospect to save some money, they couldn't get the blue jays to take the salary without a prospect.

Liriano is making $13.667m next year, not $17m.

$13.667m is market value for Liriano. He's having a down season but he's a decent bet to get back in track.

You don't deal two top ten prospects to get rid of that contract unless you are getting a legit player in return.
 
The hell with the Pirates.. We got the Pens and football season is around the corner...
 
Toronto a small market team? In what universe is that true? Surely not this one.

If Toronto were in the United States it would be the fifth biggest city in the country. It is almost the same size as Dallas/Fort Worth. It's larger than Philadelphia. And it is also the only team in it's whole country, so they actually get more television money than their actual market size would suggest.

The notion that Toronto is a small market is, well, bizarre.

I stand corrected... I was thinking Montreal....
 
I defended the Melancon trade but this one ticks me off. We basically traded McGuire and Ramirez in exchange for Toronto agreeing to take Liriano's contract off our hands.

What a joke.
You got it-a pure money dump. That's what cheap, pi$$ poor owners do!
 
Liriano is making $13.667m next year, not $17m.

$13.667m is market value for Liriano. He's having a down season but he's a decent bet to get back in track.

You don't deal two top ten prospects to get rid of that contract unless you are getting a legit player in return.
You do if you're Nutsack and the bottom line is all that counts.
 
So, we can't trade a prospect , for a good player, to make a run , but we can trade two prospects to make money for the owner. You can't make this up , and it will be defended!
 
So, we can't trade a prospect , for a good player, to make a run , but we can trade two prospects to make money for the owner. You can't make this up , and it will be defended!

They defend it because they are blind to a sport that they love. They want to think that deep down inside, these choices are being made for the better of the team. They know what they're seeing, they just choose to turn a blind eye to it so they can keep their relationship with the sport that they love. It's similar to dating a really hot chick who had a drug or alcohol problem. And like punch drunk idiots, they'll show up at the park thinking this could be the year!!!! We signed some re-tread pitchers after their 5th elbow reconstruction surgery and Searage has his magic potion to turn every project into Cy Young.

Nutting is a great business man and understands he'll be able to rape these guys for every last dollar in their pocket.
 
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