More OT Pirates - Liriano to Toronto
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He's not an outlier at all. The smart people, and there are many, realize Nutting's a cheap fraud and a bum! The booblehead crowd have been scammed and have fallen for Nutsack's cheap marketing ploys.
Cutch finally seeing the organization for what it is. Stay healthy and get the agent on the phone. Get out of this mess.
Bobblehead boy, prospects for cash..you understand that or are you so entralled with your plastic eye patch and plastic sword that the real issues are meaningless to you?
Well throw in some fireworks and a boatload of kielbasa and you have my kind of party
Chapman and Miller and Smith brought hauls, you think you know everything about baseball, get a clue as to why they brought hauls and not Melancon...do you need a hint?
Rivero will be closing in a few years after Watson leaves...........and if you weren't so f#$king dense you would see I agree with the Liriano trade, not so much the dumping his salary cause I agree with dumping his salary, but what they gave up
Cutch needs to look in the mirror to be honest....He has been lousy this year
Nutsack can make that happen jn a heartbeat now that he has freed up $13 M by unloading Liriano. Nutsack aims to please....as long as it doesn't entail an investment in personnel to win a championship. He's a super guy, a fan friendly owner....he'll tell you that until the cows come home.
I'm not a big bobblehead fan so if he can throw in an extra finale for fireworks that will work for me
1) The Melancon trade made sense and I had no problem with it. I didn't mind moving Liriano if the price was right, but that was clearly not the case. It was a salary dump, period.
2) if guys like McCutchen, Kang, Liriano and up until recently Cole were playing better none of this would have happened. When the Pirates got swept by Milwaukee this past weekend, that was the final nail in the coffin for the season. Playoffs looked bleak and Nutting was not going to get his playoff cash.
2) if guys like McCutchen, Kang, Liriano and up until recently Cole were playing better none of this would have happened. When the Pirates got swept by Milwaukee this past weekend, that was the final nail in the coffin for the season. Playoffs looked bleak and Nutting was not going to get his playoff cash.
You gave away 2 prospects, ones we might need to buy good players for a run next year, for cash for the Nutting family to enjoy. Not just that, now we will be told we can't trade any prospects, since we have less good ones now, and we will need to restock for years. And you all will accept that crap, as he just sold 2 this week for 10 million
The only reason Melancon didn't bring a haul is because the incompetent GM insisted on getting a RP back in the deal. Felipe Rivero's ceiling is Tony Watson. Had the acquired Reynaldo Lopez or Erik Fedde, those guys' floor is likely Tony Watson.
Finding RP is relatively easy... trade Nyjer for Hanrahan, claim Grilli off waivers, convert Minor League SP like Watson, sign Feliz for cheap.... There is absolutely no reason to use a valuable trade chip to acquire one.
Watson is going to be gone after this season with Rivero and Bastardo in the pen. They'll re-sign Feliz or someone similar and still have a decent bullpen. But there is no upside to having a decent bullpen. These guys are going to throw 50-60 innings, that's what relief pitchers do. Again, trading a valuable trade chip for one makes no sense.
I don't really care much at all about there Pirates, so that really doesn't fly. I was just making a general observation the rest of the board would likely co sign.
I don't think you're even remotely correct given the number of people who regularly express concurrence with my views and your own limited brain matter.
Uh? I don't remember that at all... You might be talking about a different board...
First off, getting Liriano out of here is a good thing. It of course will be glossed over by guys like MVK and TD that Liriano blowing up is EXACTLY why you don't sign larger dollar amount FA's. Liriano is the absolute limit of what the Pirates should do as far as FA's, and it still blew up for them.
What makes the trade stink is giving up Ramirez and McGuire. I don't like trading prospects, and especially don't like trading them to offload a salary (though I do find it funny so many people all of a sudden care about prospects). Hopefully Huntington knows something we don't, and those guys don't amount to anything. McGuire for awhile has looked fringy at best, but Ramirez has shown some good bat to ball skills but no power. Hopefully Hutchinson can be something worthwhile too.
In any case, I think the team overall is better today than it was before, but still don't like the way it was done.
What makes the trade stink is giving up Ramirez and McGuire. I don't like trading prospects, and especially don't like trading them to offload a salary (though I do find it funny so many people all of a sudden care about prospects). Hopefully Huntington knows something we don't, and those guys don't amount to anything. McGuire for awhile has looked fringy at best, but Ramirez has shown some good bat to ball skills but no power. Hopefully Hutchinson can be something worthwhile too.
In any case, I think the team overall is better today than it was before, but still don't like the way it was done.
Anyone who calls nordy a clown deserves to be banned immediately, IMO.
If by still crying you mean, said he should have been fired immediately after the haywood debacle...then I concede your point.
Nordy retired, and will be judged as one of the most effective chancellor's in our history. If Gallagher can even approach his level, we'll be in good hands.
Barnes, well...he didn't take long to alienate large chunks of the fanbase. So, his tenure will be judged by his fundraising. Hopefully he learned to stop having his mouth write checks he wasn't able to cash.
Given the flack many of us took for criticizing Pederson, i assume those critics did cry when the bum was fired.
When it came to anything related to athletics Nordy was completely incompetent. The entire Heywood fiasco is only part of his tawdry athletics legacy. Did you live in a cocoon during the 14 years of miserable FB that was in large part due to him and the bum he hired as AD not once but twice. As usual, you're whistling in the wind.
They traded a guy who has the talent to be a top of rotation SP (and was for 3 years here) and 2 top 10 prospects to save $13m. That's a disgrace. Hutchinson is horrible. Like Jon Niese-Jeff Locke-Ryan Vogelsong-Juan Nicasio level horrible.
Liriano has a much better chance to get back to being a top of the rotation type SP than anyone they can acquire this winter. And again, it's $13m, not a whole lot of money in MLB.
This is Pitt Football board, right ? Nordy was a clown as it relates to Pitt football. PEDEY part 2 proves my point without discussing his other failures, SPORTS RELATED.
We can agree to disagree, I have facts and history on my side
Actually, Glasnow and Taillon have a much better chance than Liriano of being TOR type guys.
Lol. Just look at sports for a second. Was the football program better or worse when SP left than when he started the first time? Was the Bball program better or worse?
Pretty sure the facts don't agree with you.
They were crap when he came and crap when he left. In his wake, he destroyed relationships with scores of alumni and athletics donors, did a lousy job of marketing Pitt as a brand, bumbled every coaching search which he and Nordy together orchestrated and made Pitt FB , together with his bumbling accomplice, Nordy, a national laughing stock in the Haywood, Graham, Chryst coaching carousel. He was recognized at Nebraska as divisive and incompetent and was unceremoniously given the boot only to be thrown a life preserver by Pitt's sports admin. challenged and FB indifferent chancellor, Nordy boy.
I'm not sure how, as you and the facts have never been particularly well acquainted.
Pitt's cumulative record in the five seasons before Pederson was hired the first time: 15-41 (conference record: 7-21)
Pitt's cumulative record in the five season prior to Pederson leaving for good: 33-32 (conference record: 19-18)
Now I don't have a calculator handy, but just eyeballing those numbers, one set of them looks juuuuuuuust a little bit better than the other.
Pitt's cumulative record in the five seasons before Pederson was hired the first time: 68-75 (conference record: 36-54)
Pitt's cumulative record in the five season prior to Pederson leaving for good: 119-51 (conference record: 51-39)
Again, just eyeballing it, but one set of those numbers also looks just a little better than the other.
Maybe, but they will have those guys regardless, they won't have to acquire them. But there's still two other spots in the rotation that need filled. I'm sure we'll see it filled by something similar to Locke/Nicasio/Vogelsong. And they'll likely pay somewhere close to $13m for that crap.
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