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You know what? I’ve changed my thoughts on this. Souf convinced me. George is awesome. He’s uber talented, works his tail off, is a fabulous teammate, runs his routes hard and should get paid this summer 30 million dollars. He’s the bestest ever. When he gets paid, his production will follow and his attitude will be even better than it is right now, if that’s even possible. Steelers should be thrilled to have him wear the black and gold for the next 5-6 years.
There will be a huge bidding war from him after he breaks Steeler single season records next year he’ll probably be the highest paid wr in 2026. He’s just that good.
 
Let me repeat for the 8th time
What trade value does a WR have on his last year of rookie contract who will then be UFA after ?

Hint -
The Steelers essentially gave up a 6th round pick for a qb on an expiring rookie deal .

does a qb have more or less value grade wise than a WR ?!?
I thought you were done braying like a jackass.
 
You know what? I’ve changed my thoughts on this. Souf convinced me. George is awesome. He’s uber talented, works his tail off, is a fabulous teammate, runs his routes hard and should get paid this summer 30 million dollars. He’s the bestest ever. When he gets paid, his production will follow and his attitude will be even better than it is right now, if that’s even possible. Steelers should be thrilled to have him wear the black and gold for the next 5-6 years.
Souf said he’s the best receiver on the team the last two seasons because he is .
Souf also isn’t interested in extending him unless his consistency improves.

He’s the only real threat they have .
Both things can be simultaneously true .
 
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Mediocre Mike
You keep saying this doesn’t make it true. Let me paint it a little differently for you. My favorite coach in all sports, well aside from Jeff Capel, is a guy who is regarded as one of the best coaches of the last 25 years. Yet he’s been fired multiple times, including from my club a couple of times where he won multiple championships. Sometimes expiration dates are reached and no coach should have iron clad security and be the coach in perpetuity. It’s more than fair to question Tomlin’s tenure here because it has been mediocre here for a decade and even the greatest of coaches don’t have that kind of security.

Doesn’t this steeler Groundhog Day get old?
 
Souf said he’s the best receiver on the team the last two seasons because he is .
Souf also isn’t interested in extending him unless his consistency improves.

He’s the only real threat they have .
Both things can be simultaneously true .
Agreed. And that decision is going to have to come sooner than later. Which is why we are discussing here. And surely the Steelers are discussing internally as well.
 
We did improve it. I'd take Wilson and Fields over Pickett and Rudolph. Doesn't mean either tandem is good enough.

You're telling me Higgins and a 2nd round receiver isn't better than Pickens? Mr. Grab Bag himself. You never know what you'll get from week to week. Could make a few world-class catches. Could have three drops. Could not feel like running his routes that day, freeing up safeties to sit on other guys and make picks in the end zone.
Take them where to Arby’s?
 
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Agreed. And that decision is going to have to come sooner than later. Which is why we are discussing here. And surely the Steelers are discussing internally as well.
Let’s look at another example
Hollywood brown was traded his final rookie year Along with a 3rd rounder to get back into the end of the first round
So , that’s the more likely scenario Pickett gets traded - not straight up for a pick - but as part of a pick swap package at the draft .

I’m not opposed to that since we have plenty of needs - especially at CB , T, qb , etc .

Pickens- if he stays will be on his what 6th different starting qb next season?
But he’s the topic of conversation for some reason after a game the offense went sub 200 yards and the qb has looked washed for weeks
 
You keep saying this doesn’t make it true. Let me paint it a little differently for you. My favorite coach in all sports, well aside from Jeff Capel, is a guy who is regarded as one of the best coaches of the last 25 years. Yet he’s been fired multiple times, including from my club a couple of times where he won multiple championships. Sometimes expiration dates are reached and no coach should have iron clad security and be the coach in perpetuity. It’s more than fair to question Tomlin’s tenure here because it has been mediocre here for a decade and even the greatest of coaches don’t have that kind of security.

Doesn’t this steeler Groundhog Day get old?
I don’t get worried about pro sports teams much to be honest
The nfl is designed to keep everyone competitive.

I keep my anxiety for Pitt games Since i actually have skin in it
 
That was a waste of time. I doubt I will waste time next weekend watching them lose yet another playoff game:
  • The WIlson experiment should be over. Kenny ran a better two minute offense and I suspect Fields would have. I would not sign Wilson in the offseason nor would I want to pay anything more than $5 mil for Fields. Tomlin will demand a veteran qb so I am wagering if not Fields than Rogers or Cousins will be wearing Black & Yellow next year.
  • Pickens has #1 talent but he is too inconsistent beyond his attitude challenges to give another contract to. Honestly, I would trade him. He may prove to be a great WR but he won't under Tomlin.
  • Can we end Dan Moore at LT?
  • It's sad that Muth was our best weapon last night. He is the poster child in showing how this org over pays it's players.
  • In most organizations, Tomlin would be history. If Kraft can push out the GOAT, then I don't see why Art Jr cannot push out Tomlin. Kraft can be ruthless and objective. Art is none of those.
Solid stuff here. Well said.

To your Dan Moore point…4 weeks ago he was having a solid season. Speculation was that he was going to get paid elsewhere because he certainly wasn’t going to get paid here. Now he’s lost himself a lot of money because he’s reverted back to his norm.

Next year Broderick Jones is the LT.

Somewhere in South Jersey last night, Kenny was smoking a cigar, feeling vindicated and telling Cam, TJ and Minkah to go eff themselves for courting Wilson to the Steelers and stabbing him in the back because he wasn’t good enough in their eyes.

And speaking of Minkah, other than shitty coordinators, Tomlin’s undoing was going out and trading for Minkah to keep his winning season streak alive, when they could have used that pick they traded to get Herbert. And I can think of 15 different ways the steelers could have spent that 18 mil that Minkah got paid this year. He needs to go. They are deft in so many areas and need that money to go shopping.

What receiver or QB would want to come here? Never thought FA’s would view the Steelers like they do the Pirates.
 
What about the play last week where he gave up on his route and didn't occupy the safety, which allowed him to pick one off in the end zone? George is good for one of those every few games.

A 900-yard season isn't worth all the other stuff.
No reply to this question. Not surprised. That WR room has been a mess for 3 years at least. When Pickens is your anchor, you’ve got problems. Anyways…the Steelers have other problems and they are many. The era of futility is about to get even longer. Should have traded Minkah, Cam and TJ two years ago when we all said they should.
 
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Pickens is not a pressing problem for the Steelers. If he wants to sulk, then it hurts him more than the Steelers.
Kahn should not spend one minute on this problem until he has solved the problems at QB, LT/RT, CB, and drafting the next Casey Hampton type.
If you want to do addition by subtraction, then please make sure that Connor Heyward, Jefferson, Patterson, and even Muth are cut/traded before you do anything to Pickens.

"Cool" nickname aside, why should anyone assume Omar Khan is good at being a GM?

Going into year 3, he's has the stillers in worse shape (long-term) than what he took over.

Both drafts looks pedestrian at best. His signings and trades have been the same.

The stillers must have some serious media plants hyping very average to below average guys. Keeanu Benton, who everyone was hyping up coming into his 2nd season, 16 tackles and recorded his first sack last night. That's another 2nd round pick, performing at a 5th/6th/UFA level.

I'm not sure any of his picks have performed over or at their draft position other than Nick Herbig.
 
The stillers must have some serious media plants hyping very average to below average guys. Keeanu Benton, who everyone was hyping up coming into his 2nd season, 16 tackles and recorded his first sack last night. That's another 2nd round pick, performing at a 5th/6th/UFA level.

I'm not sure any of his picks have performed over or at their draft position other than Nick Herbig.

MUTH!!!! Pretty quiet about Muth dropping the potential game winner (Boswell would have nailed FG with ease)
 
MUTH!!!! Pretty quiet about Muth dropping the potential game winner (Boswell would have nailed FG with ease)
That’s the Muth we all know. Not a bad TE. But far from dependable. Can’t block and is good for a few drops.

And maybe this is nitpicking, but maybe he should have got to the sticks on that late series when Russ and Arthur Smith could get a yard and turned the ball over on downs? If he Carrie’s the ball in the other hand he gets the first down. But maybe the safe play was to keep it in his right hand and not get the first down?
 
"Cool" nickname aside, why should anyone assume Omar Khan is good at being a GM?

Going into year 3, he's has the stillers in worse shape (long-term) than what he took over.

Both drafts looks pedestrian at best. His signings and trades have been the same.

The stillers must have some serious media plants hyping very average to below average guys. Keeanu Benton, who everyone was hyping up coming into his 2nd season, 16 tackles and recorded his first sack last night. That's another 2nd round pick, performing at a 5th/6th/UFA level.

I'm not sure any of his picks have performed over or at their draft position other than Nick Herbig.
Yeah I don’t know. I’m not sure I agree. His drafting looks to be better the last two years than it has under Tomlin/Colbert. Not ready to crown him though.
 
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The owners make the ultimate decisions
Welcome to the nfl
Hint - want to know when the slide began ?
Check the timeline of majority ownership
A 17 year veteran HOF HC is making ALL the decisions on personnel. Don't for a second believe otherwise
 
That’s the Muth we all know. Not a bad TE. But far from dependable. Can’t block and is good for a few drops.

And maybe this is nitpicking, but maybe he should have got to the sticks on that late series when Russ and Arthur Smith could get a yard and turned the ball over on downs? If he Carrie’s the ball in the other hand he gets the first down. But maybe the safe play was to keep it in his right hand and not get the first down?

the other nitter TE outplayed him last night, who I always thought was pretty good.
 
That’s the Muth we all know. Not a bad TE. But far from dependable. Can’t block and is good for a few drops.

And maybe this is nitpicking, but maybe he should have got to the sticks on that late series when Russ and Arthur Smith could get a yard and turned the ball over on downs? If he Carrie’s the ball in the other hand he gets the first down. But maybe the safe play was to keep it in his right hand and not get the first down?
Yup muth is a good second team TE. He’s not even close to being a productive starter He has a history of dropping balls and or fumbling at the worst time. He’s now added tripping over the grass and failing to get a first down to his bag of tricks
 
There are times PFF is useful and there are times that it’s not because it doesn’t account for or know what a player’s responsibility is within the system they play. He also follows the other teams best receivers. His rating on that site is going to be skewed. Just like Myles Garrett won DPOY last year due to advanced stats that showed he almost got to the QB a bunch of times. Yet he had no sacks the entire second half of the season. While JP is not going to be a pro bowler any time soon, the hate he gets from some people is unwarranted. It would be a fun exercise to list the Steelers problems and see how many there are before you get to Peazy. My guess? 20.

If he hit FA, he’d be sucked up immediately and would start for just about every team in the league.
 
Yeah I don’t know. I’m not sure I agree. His drafting looks to be better the last two years than it has under Tomlin/Colbert. Not ready to crown him though.
He hasn’t made awful draft picks but it remains to be seen just how good or bad the picks he’s made turn out. Problem is the staff is mediocre and there are ton of holes. He or any GM would have their work cut out.

The cherry on top is Tomlins philosophy of playing close to the vest and relying on an overrated defense to bail him out The national media has acknowledged this approach so this isn’t just coming from me
 
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He hasn’t made awful draft picks but it remains to be seen just how good or bad the picks he’s made turn out. Problem is the staff is mediocre and there are ton of holes. He or any GM would have their work cut out.

The cherry on top is Tomlins philosophy of playing close to the vest and relying on an overrated defense to bail him out The national media has acknowledged this approach so this isn’t just coming from me
Depending on splash plays and T/O’s is such a flawed philosophy. As we have seen the last 4 games, every time the balls on the ground, it’s completely random who falls on it. For most of the season the Steelers we’re getting those bounces but then they start evening out, and you’re back to 9-8/10-7 with the highest paid defense in the league.
 
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I keep hearing people say Pickens is talented. But I’m struggling to see the incredible talent. For for the guy has one incredible skill set which is coming down with 50/50 balls along the sidelines


But what other skills does he have he’s a horrible route runner. He rarely gets much separation from DBs. And if you notice teams have such little respect for him that they rarely provide help over the top. Factor in the fact that he’s a head case and gives up on plays and he’s more hype than actual talent
 
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There are times PFF is useful and there are times that it’s not because it doesn’t account for or know what a player’s responsibility is within the system they play. He also follows the other teams best receivers. His rating on that site is going to be skewed. Just like Myles Garrett won DPOY last year due to advanced stats that showed he almost got to the QB a bunch of times. Yet he had no sacks the entire second half of the season. While JP is not going to be a pro bowler any time soon, the hate he gets from some people is unwarranted. It would be a fun exercise to list the Steelers problems and see how many there are before you get to Peazy. My guess? 20.

If he hit FA, he’d be sucked up immediately and would start for just about every team in the league.
Yeah I think Porter gets a bad rap He’s a solid corner and is the least of the Steelers problems
 
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Yeah I think Porter gets a bad rap He’s a solid corner and is the least of the Steelers problems
Made a great open field tackle to prevent a first down and got his defense off the field. Gave up a couple catches to Higgins in coverage…which every corner is going to do but people see that and say “see see Porter sucks”. Those are easy to see because that’s where the ball wentThey don’t see the 65 other snaps.

Now, after the previous Cincy game, criticism was warranted. But in most games he does his job and is dependable.
 
Solid stuff here. Well said.

To your Dan Moore point…4 weeks ago he was having a solid season. Speculation was that he was going to get paid elsewhere because he certainly wasn’t going to get paid here. Now he’s lost himself a lot of money because he’s reverted back to his norm.

Next year Broderick Jones is the LT.

Somewhere in South Jersey last night, Kenny was smoking a cigar, feeling vindicated and telling Cam, TJ and Minkah to go eff themselves for courting Wilson to the Steelers and stabbing him in the back because he wasn’t good enough in their eyes.

And speaking of Minkah, other than shitty coordinators, Tomlin’s undoing was going out and trading for Minkah to keep his winning season streak alive, when they could have used that pick they traded to get Herbert. And I can think of 15 different ways the steelers could have spent that 18 mil that Minkah got paid this year. He needs to go. They are deft in so many areas and need that money to go shopping.

What receiver or QB would want to come here? Never thought FA’s would view the Steelers like they do the Pirates.
I doubt Kenny had a cigar but I suspect his friends cracked a smile.

Jones at LT and the rookie on IR at RT might work. However, the investment in Jones is a sunk cost and you should never consider sunk costs when making future decisions. We need a quality LT, Jones or not Jones.

FAs go where the money is but I doubt the Steelers will be spending. Rooney family is not overly wealthy and will they be in the mood to spend with the results of the past two years? That more than anything gives me hope that Tomlin could "resign" (his pride will not tolerate him being fired) soon.
 
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I doubt Kenny had a cigar but I suspect his friends cracked a smile.

Jones at LT and the rookie on IR at RT might work. However, the investment in Jones is a sunk cost and you should never consider sunk costs when making future decisions. We need a quality LT, Jones or not Jones.

FAs go where the money is but I doubt the Steelers will be spending. Rooney family is not overly wealthy and will they be in the mood to spend with the results of the past two years? That more than anything gives me hope that Tomlin could "resign" (his pride will not tolerate him being fired) soon.
Oh yeah, he’s never going to get fired. Ever. If it ever gets to a point when Rooney wants change, they’ll present it as resignation and celebrate his greatness while doing so.
 
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Yeah I don’t know. I’m not sure I agree. His drafting looks to be better the last two years than it has under Tomlin/Colbert. Not ready to crown him though.

Just for fun using PFF.

Queen 120th out of 183
Muth 19th out of 32
Toast Porter 170th out of 218
Jones 89th out of 138
Wilson 21 out of 32
Fields 36 out of 71

Elliot was a solid FA add as was the punter.

The cap mismanagement hasn't been addressed. The over-paying for an average defense hasn't been addressed. The lack of offensive talent hasn't been addressed. He's overpaid for Muth, Cam and Queen. And then there's the coaching staff...🤔

Going into year 3 it's mostly the same, if not worse since the D is older now and still no long term answer at QB, as going into year 1.
 
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There are times PFF is useful and there are times that it’s not because it doesn’t account for or know what a player’s responsibility is within the system they play. He also follows the other teams best receivers. His rating on that site is going to be skewed. Just like Myles Garrett won DPOY last year due to advanced stats that showed he almost got to the QB a bunch of times. Yet he had no sacks the entire second half of the season. While JP is not going to be a pro bowler any time soon, the hate he gets from some people is unwarranted. It would be a fun exercise to list the Steelers problems and see how many there are before you get to Peazy. My guess? 20.

If he hit FA, he’d be sucked up immediately and would start for just about every team in the league.
There’s one massive problem with your post. He doesn’t always follow the other team’s best receiver. He rarely covered Chase yesterday.
 
Somewhere in South Jersey last night, Kenny was smoking a cigar, feeling vindicated and telling Cam, TJ and Minkah to go eff themselves for courting Wilson to the Steelers and stabbing him in the back because he wasn’t good enough in their eyes.
I'm sure Fn hope Kenny is smoking a big arse 80 gauge stick with a glass of high end bourbon wearing his division championship shirt with the defeated Steelers walking off the field on his TV in the background laughing his ass off.
 
  • "Cool" nickname aside, why should anyone assume Omar Khan is good at being a GM?

Going into year 3, he's has the stillers in worse shape (long-term) than what he took over.

Both drafts looks pedestrian at best. His signings and trades have been the same.

The stillers must have some serious media plants hyping very average to below average guys. Keeanu Benton, who everyone was hyping up coming into his 2nd season, 16 tackles and recorded his first sack last night. That's another 2nd round pick, performing at a 5th/6th/UFA level.

I'm not sure any of his picks have performed over or at their draft position other than Nick Herbig.

The Post Gazette slurps (I am sure everyone can get the idea) Kahn and everything Black & Gold unless they are instructed not to. See Kenny Picket for example. I don't think Kahn has proven to be a good GM. He has proven to take action but what has he solved yet?
  • The OL was poor before he got the job. In the 2024 regular season Steelers average 4.1 yards a rush (26th) and allowed 49 sacks (24th). Note we are 29th in passing attempts meaning the sack rate has to be one of the worst in the NFL.
  • QB play in 2023 was substandard. In 2024, our QBs had a higher QBR. An upgrade but now all qbs are UFA and we are faced with paying more for a position than we have since Ben with marginal improvement.
  • LB play last year was substandard. Wilson and Herbig are good finds in the draft. Queen has been okay but not worth this salary (as of yet).
The OL remains a disaster which for a team that wants to run the ball cripples our offense. You cannot be a power running team with this OL. That more than anything explains our bad offense.

Now you can argue we should NOT run a power offense with this level of talent, but then ask yourself this: What kind of offense can you run with a poor OL, medicore talent at WR/TE, and a qb who excels at either deep passes down the side or short passes less than 8 yards? Even the last Bill Walsh or Don Coryell would throw their hands up with this group.
 
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