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** Players gotta play. Coaches gotta coach.

** And when the players aren’t playing, sometimes coaches gotta coach more.

** The reality of this game is that it shouldn’t have taken two critical coaching moves by HCJC to spring the Panthers to victory this evening. The reality is that instead of being seven points down midway through the second half, we should have been at least seven points up. But so it was.

** The first coaching move was a simple one … a switch to our extended matchup zone, played obviously to get the ball out for the hands of NIU leading scorer Eugene German. The ¾ court press added to that cause.

** German’s last point came with 13:00 minutes to go. The rest of the team scored just seven more the rest of the way. That's some pretty special defense.

** The second move was more surprising, and maybe more impactful. That is … sitting Xavier Johnson on the bench for the final eight minutes of the game.

** It wasn’t that Xavier was playing particularly bad up until that point in the game. But it was also clear that he was starting to force himself into the lane in an attempt to bring some offense … at times, even any offense … to the Panthers.

** What this move did allow was for Trey to find his inner Allen Iverson, and use his speed to create offense and open looks for others.

** It also didn’t hurt that Trey also found his inner Steph Curry hitting some ridiculous deep threes when his team so desperately needed someone to hit something from beyond the arc.

** Maybe Capel’s best move of all was bringing Trey off the bench to start the game. I’m not sure if Capel was sending a message or just mixing things up. But Trey came off the bench with focus, scoring early with in-control drives into the paint.

** Players gotta play.

** My inner coach doesn’t always believe this though. And if I would have been coaching the Panthers, I would have been screaming for Ryan Murphy to pull the ball up with 36 second left in the game up seven, instead of throwing a ridiculously difficult ally oop pass to Justin Champaigne. But had Ryan pulled up instead, we would have missed out on one of the most difficult, if not the most impressive finishes in the history of the Pete.

** It gave the fans a satisfying end to a game that was far from satisfying for the first three quarters of the night.

** Of course I don’t know how many more ACC games the Panthers will win this year. But regardless of the final number, I do know that rarely are will going to look good in the process.

** We just aren’t good enough shooters, and I don’t think we are ever going to run fluid offense -- even when we keep turnovers to a minimum like we did today.

** But maybe we can play enough defense to make up the difference.

** Capel’s move to zone helped mask the one serious defensive deficiency the Panthers have demonstrated far too many times this year … that is, some uninspired close outs on shooters. Along the same lines, our guards, and Terrell Brown too, often offer poor hand discipline, and they just can’t get hands up on shooters quick enough.

** That being said, we were otherwise disruptive to create turnovers, drew three more charges, and simply shut down NIU, eventually making room for the 15-0 run to close the night.

** Maybe Coach Capel will find a new guy to bring off the bench in our next contest. Maybe Ryan is ripe for the pine. I don’t wish to single out Ryan for particularly bad basketball. But after hitting nine threes in the Panthers first three contests, Ryan is 8-40 from deep in his last eight.

** We shouldn’t have expected Ryan to shoot 40% from beyond the arc his year. But at least 30% would go a long way to help the Panthers.

** We don’t know just when Gerald Drumgoole might return this year. But there’s no doubt we need any player who has any kind of a chance to hit threes to join this team.

** Fortunately, Trey hit enough to make a difference this night. Unfortunately, history tells us we can’t count on it.

** Still, hopefully our strong finish will inspire a little confidence in our Panthers. Because if we expect a clear step forward this year, our players are going to need to play. Or should I say … play better -- because our coaches can’t shoot that ball for our players.
 
All good points, their coach was non stop talking to his players, it's almost capel is trying to see if his team can figure it out and play the way he wants without having to make the changes.
 
* We shouldn’t have expected Ryan to shoot 40% from beyond the arc his year. But at least 30% would go a long way to help the Panthers.

** We don’t know just when Gerald Drumgoole might return this year. But there’s no doubt we need any player who has any kind of a chance to hit threes to join this team.

** Fortunately, Tray hit enough to make a difference this night. Unfortunately, history tells us we can’t count on it.

I agree.
We have to improve the three point shooting if we're gonna do anything in the
ACC. Trey looked good tonight and he does seem to have improved his
outside shooting. Right now it's Murph who is really killing us from outside.
He's our best shooter, but after the first few games he's gone ice cold. Of
course he's being guarded more closely, but he's still missing wide open
shots. One thing I like, he doesn't force shots from the outside when he's
not open. He had two assists late in the game tonight that helped fuel
our late run.
As for Drumgoole, we need him, I agree. However early before he was hurt,
he also was a liability from the outside.... 0-6 on threes. I realize he's a
freshman, so for now I'll cut him a break. BTW, Champagnie is 5-34 on
his threes. Again, he too is a freshman, but we need him to turn it
around.
 
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I agree.
We have to improve the three point shooting if we're gonna do anything in the
ACC. Trey looked good tonight and he does seem to have improved his
outside shooting. Right now it's Murph who is really killing us from outside.
He's our best shooter, but after the first few games he's gone ice cold. Of
course he's being guarded more closely, but he's still missing wide open
shots. One thing I like, he doesn't force shots from the outside when he's
not open. He had two assists late in the game tonight that helped fuel
our late run.
As for Drumgoole, we need him, I agree. However early before he was hurt,
he also was a liability from the outside.... 0-6 on threes. I realize he's a
freshman, so for now I'll cut him a break. BTW, Champagnie is 5-34 on
his threes. Again, he too is a freshman, but we need him to turn it
around,
If Pitt equals last years ACC win total we be lucky. Simply ugly basketball when watching Pitt attempting to play this sport without any decent outside shooters.
 
** Players gotta play. Coaches gotta coach.

** And when the players aren’t playing, sometimes coaches gotta coach more.

** The reality of this game is that it shouldn’t have taken two critical coaching moves by HCJC to spring the Panthers to victory this evening. The reality is that instead of being seven points down midway through the second half, we should have been at least seven points up. But so it was.

** The first coaching move was a simple one … a switch to our extended matchup zone, played obviously to get the ball out for the hands of NIU leading scorer Eugene German. The ¾ court press added to that cause.

** German’s last point came with 13:00 minutes to go. The rest of the team scored just seven more the rest of the way. That's some pretty special defense.

** The second move was more surprising, and maybe more impactful. That is … sitting Xavier Johnson on the bench for the final eight minutes of the game.

** It wasn’t that Xavier was playing particularly bad up until that point in the game. But it was also clear that he was starting to force himself into the lane in an attempt to bring some offense … at times, even any offense … to the Panthers.

** What this move did allow was for Trey to find his inner Allen Iverson, and use his speed to create offense and open looks for others.

** It also didn’t hurt that Trey also found his inner Steph Curry hitting some ridiculous deep threes when his team so desperately needed someone to hit something from beyond the arc.

** Maybe Capel’s best move of all was bringing Trey off the bench to start the game. I’m not sure if Capel was sending a message or just mixing things up. But Trey came off the bench with focus, scoring early with in-control drives into the paint.

** Players gotta play.

** My inner coach doesn’t always believe this though. And if I would have been coaching the Panthers, I would have been screaming for Ryan Murphy to pull the ball up with 36 second left in the game up seven, instead of throwing a ridiculously difficult ally oop pass to Justin Champaigne. But had Ryan pulled up instead, we would have missed out on one of the most difficult, if not the most impressive finishes in the history of the Pete.

** It gave the fans a satisfying end to a game that was far from satisfying for the first three quarters of the night.

** Of course I don’t know how many more ACC games the Panthers will win this year. But regardless of the final number, I do know that rarely are will going to look good in the process.

** We just aren’t good enough shooters, and I don’t think we are ever going to run fluid offense -- even when we keep turnovers to a minimum like we did today.

** But maybe we can play enough defense to make up the difference.

** Capel’s move to zone helped mask the one serious defensive deficiency the Panthers have demonstrated far too many times this year … that is, some uninspired close outs on shooters. Along the same lines, our guards, and Terrell Brown too, often offer poor hand discipline, and they just can’t get hands up on shooters quick enough.

** That being said, we were otherwise disruptive to create turnovers, drew three more charges, and simply shut down NIU, eventually making room for the 15-0 run to close the night.

** Maybe Coach Capel will find a new guy to bring off the bench in our next contest. Maybe Ryan is ripe for the pine. I don’t wish to single out Ryan for particularly bad basketball. But after hitting nine threes in the Panthers first three contests, Ryan is 8-40 from deep in his last eight.

** We shouldn’t have expected Ryan to shoot 40% from beyond the arc his year. But at least 30% would go a long way to help the Panthers.

** We don’t know just when Gerald Drumgoole might return this year. But there’s no doubt we need any player who has any kind of a chance to hit threes to join this team.

** Fortunately, Tray hit enough to make a difference this night. Unfortunately, history tells us we can’t count on it.

** Still, hopefully our strong finish will inspire a little confiecne in our Panthers. Because if we expect a clear step forward this year, our players are going to need to play. Or should I say … play better -- because our coaches can’t shoot that ball for our players.

** Brown and Hamilton were atrocious on boards. Coulibaly's extended minutes in the 2nd half seemed to lead to a more focused Hamilton to close out the game on the offensive end.
 
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I'll take that bet.
I would too. Even if you want to say Pitt isn’t any better this year, most of the rest of the ACC isn’t as good as they were last year.

Edit: just saw this tweet from Rothstein. Like how he cherry picked the ACC good ol’ boys/blue blood Louisville and VT for some reason but neglected to include 8-3 Pitt and 8-3 ND. Would be 59-16 and 38-33 if you added them in.
 
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I thought the NIU coach did a very poor job of reacting to the Zone. I actually didn't like the move to the zone because I thought German would go crazy but they didnt move the ball or move without the ball well enough and he got very few shots in the 2nd part of the 2nd Half.

I didn't think Johnson was playing bad so I dont know why he got benched. At 1 point, Capel had him go to the scorer's table then quickly calles him back.

Curtis Aiken mentioned something on the pregame about Capel holding guys accountable so I took that as McGowens was late for practice or some other minor team violation.

Until Pitt gets a high-level rebounder, this team wont get back to the NCAAT. Even if we had the Johnson kid from Rutgers, who was a 300ish "lottery ticket" Big, I think we make the NCAAT because is an elite rebounder (and can score a little). You have to get lucky with guys like that. We used to but not in geez, what, like 10 years?
 
I am still rather confused/concerned on what the hell X, Trey and Audiese did over the summer, because there has been little development in their games and in many cases what seems to be regression.

I think our optimism was the natural development Fr have to Sophs, and apply it to those three and it hasn't happened.

I think our fears/concerns were the probable/possible defections to the NBA for X and even Trey after this year. I don't think that is obviously going to happen.
 
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I am still rather confused/concerned on what the hell X, Trey and Audiese did over the summer, because there has been little development in their games and in many cases what seems to be regression.

I think our optimism was the natural development Fr have to Sophs, and apply it to those three and it hasn't happened.

I think our fears/concerns were the probable/possible defections to the NBA for X and even Trey after this year. I don't think that is obviously going to happen.

I don't understand it either. Maybe they just hit their peak early? Toney and Johnson look worse, maybe even considerably worse. McGowens looks about the same.
 
I would too. Even if you want to say Pitt isn’t any better this year, most of the rest of the ACC isn’t as good as they were last year.

The FWIW department--

Last year we finished at Sagarin #98 (77.23) (Sagarin #12 ACC). As of this morning's update we are at Sagarin #67 (80.67) (Sagarin #9 ACC) and our Sagarin recent games rating is #55 (81.78) (Sagarin #5 ACC).

These numbers appear to my eyes like both an improvement of 3-4 points per game and like a weaker ACC overall rolled into one.

No doubt we are a high % 3-ball shooter or two away from being another 3-4 points per game better which would make us a Sagarin top 30-40 team.

Whether better 3-ball accuracy is on the way isn't very clear because we don't know how good Ithiel Horton (transfer sitting out) and Drumgoole (when he is off the injured list and adjusted to college ball) will be. We also don't know whether Champagnie, McGowens and Johnson will improve their accuracy over time. Murphy remains an enigma as well--maybe he will find his game stroke if there is less pressure on him to be our supposed solitary 3-ball threat?

A stronger inside game coupled with better 3-ball shooting would likely move us up a bit more--probably into the the #20 to #29 range. On paper, that better inside game appears to be on its way for next season with the three incoming bigs (Hugley, Amadasun and Collier) and with Brown and a gradually improving Coulibaly returning. That should give us a stable of 2 x 6-10's, a 6-9 and 2 x 6-8's which is something we didn't see even in the best Dixon years (although the shorter Lett and Blair played as if they were 6-10 guys due to girth and reach).
 
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I am still rather confused/concerned on what the hell X, Trey and Audiese did over the summer, because there has been little development in their games and in many cases what seems to be regression.

I think our optimism was development Fr have to Sophs, and apply it to those three and it hasn't happened.

I think our fears/concerns were the probable/possible defections to the NBA for X and even Trey after this year. I don't think that is obviously going to happen.
Sometimes what you see is what you get . What was everybody's whipping boy JRob biggest sin ....he really never got any better . You think he didn’t work hard on his game ? Some guys just won’t get any better regardless of coaching while some guys do , at this level I think it’s more about the players , their work ethic and potential than the coaching .

Right now there’s no one on Pitts roster that looks like an NBA player , now or in the future . If X or Trey want a career in the NBA much improvement is needed , guys their size need to be able to hit the NBA 3 .
 
I’m looking forward to Capel getting anywhere close to the success of our former “bull crap style.”
I’m afraid if JC can’t get close to JDs success it will be a long time before Pitt is ever mentioned again as one of the better programs in the country . If JC can’t recruit the players needed to resurrect the program I’m not sure Pitt can attract a coach who can within the rules .
 
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I’m afraid if JC can’t get close to JDs success it will be a long time before Pitt is ever mentioned again as one of the better programs in the country . If JC can’t recruit the players needed to resurrect the program I’m not sure Pitt can attract a coach who can within the rules .

IMHO, recruiting is on the right track and trending upward. Our incoming bigs will make our inside game better. Also, and it is only a guess, IMO Collier is going to be a very pleasant surprise who turns out a lot better than his recruiting rating--perhaps developing into an all ACC player over time.
 
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I’m looking forward to Capel getting anywhere close to the success of our former “bull crap style.”
No doubt, but after watching Jamie for 13 seasons (albeit mostly high-level winning seasons) there was little doubt in my mind that for all of his excellent qualities and coaching, the one output that was consistent from team to team was that they rarely played loose and easy. They often seemed tight and robotic. Again, don’t get me wrong, I long for those days, but it is fun and interesting to see a different type of personnel management. Let’s just hope the level of personnel can re-approach what we saw here a decade ago.
 
IMHO, recruiting is on the right track and trending upward. Our incoming bigs will make our inside game better. Also, and it is only a guess, IMO Collier is going to be a very pleasant surprise who turns out a lot better than his recruiting rating--perhaps developing into an all ACC player over time.
Hope your right , they need that truly special player . ( who can score ! )
 
No doubt, but after watching Jamie for 13 seasons (albeit mostly high-level winning seasons) there was little doubt in my mind that for all of his excellent qualities and coaching, the one output that was consistent from team to team was that they rarely played loose and easy. They often seemed tight and robotic. Again, don’t get me wrong, I long for those days, but it is fun and interesting to see a different type of personnel management. Let’s just hope the level of personnel can re-approach what we saw here a decade ago.

I think not playing "loose and easy" was the kryptonite in the NCAA tournament. Still, I'll take tight and robotic in the NCAA tournament over 0-4 win ACC seasons every time.
 
I think not playing "loose and easy" was the kryptonite in the NCAA tournament. Still, I'll take tight and robotic in the NCAA tournament over 0-4 win ACC seasons every time.
We are on the same page. I was thinking mostly about March with that comment, but I definitely would take all of that again in a heartbeat.
 
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I think not playing "loose and easy" was the kryptonite in the NCAA tournament. Still, I'll take tight and robotic in the NCAA tournament over 0-4 win ACC seasons every time.

We are on the same page. I was thinking mostly about March with that comment, but I definitely would take all of that again in a heartbeat.

Jamie's "system" of over-coaching and having the guys play as robots was directly responsible for all the regular season success but also the BET and NCAAT flame-outs. When the stakes were raised and you got everyone's best shot, Pitt did not have another level to go to and could not make adjustments. However, we never even make those NCAAT's without Jamie's system and coaching every play like there's 30 seconds to go in the NC
 
I agree that Capel was not a bystander last night. He tried something, it worked and he stayed with it as long as it was working.

I am also very happy to see us getting dunks from our half court offense. With our outside shooting where it currently is, that is extremely helpful.
 
Color me as someone who's been pretty pleased with Capel's coaching over the past year and change, and last night was no exception. I've liked how he's balanced letting his guys play through some rough patches with making adjustments in scheme/personnel and sticking to something if it's working.
 
I thought the NIU coach did a very poor job of reacting to the Zone. I actually didn't like the move to the zone because I thought German would go crazy but they didnt move the ball or move without the ball well enough and he got very few shots in the 2nd part of the 2nd Half.

I didn't think Johnson was playing bad so I dont know why he got benched. At 1 point, Capel had him go to the scorer's table then quickly calles him back.

Curtis Aiken mentioned something on the pregame about Capel holding guys accountable so I took that as McGowens was late for practice or some other minor team violation.

Until Pitt gets a high-level rebounder, this team wont get back to the NCAAT. Even if we had the Johnson kid from Rutgers, who was a 300ish "lottery ticket" Big, I think we make the NCAAT because is an elite rebounder (and can score a little). You have to get lucky with guys like that. We used to but not in geez, what, like 10 years?
Johnson was playing bad.
He started that bs. Again.
He was letting the ball stick.
Trying to dribble through 4 guys.
Forcing stuff. He regressed that game.
 
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The FWIW department--

Last year we finished at Sagarin #98 (77.23) (Sagarin #12 ACC). As of this morning's update we are at Sagarin #67 (80.67) (Sagarin #9 ACC) and our Sagarin recent games rating is #55 (81.78) (Sagarin #5 ACC).

These numbers appear to my eyes like both an improvement of 3-4 points per game and like a weaker ACC overall rolled into one.

No doubt we are a high % 3-ball shooter or two away from being another 3-4 points per game better which would make us a Sagarin top 30-40 team.

Whether better 3-ball accuracy is on the way isn't very clear because we don't know how good Ithiel Horton (transfer sitting out) and Drumgoole (when he is off the injured list and adjusted to college ball) will be. We also don't know whether Champagnie, McGowens and Johnson will improve their accuracy over time. Murphy remains an enigma as well--maybe he will find his game stroke if there is less pressure on him to be our supposed solitary 3-ball threat?

A stronger inside game coupled with better 3-ball shooting would likely move us up a bit more--probably into the the #20 to #29 range. On paper, that better inside game appears to be on its way for next season with the three incoming bigs (Hugley, Amadasun and Collier) and with Brown and a gradually improving Coulibaly returning. That should give us a stable of 2 x 6-10's, a 6-9 and 2 x 6-8's which is something we didn't see even in the best Dixon years (although the shorter Lett and Blair played as if they were 6-10 guys due to girth and reach).
I'll guarantee Horton will be our best shooter next year from 3.
Also XJ's problem with the 3 isn't %.
It's volume. Sometimes he just doesn't take open 3s. Maybe it's because his form is weird.
But he's by far our best % shooter from deep so far.
 
As much as I criticized Jamie during the end......I watch these teams now and I long for:

1) The absolute precision and consistent execution of "running their stuff" game after game.
2) Player development.
I think Capel is building the program around players learning to play winning basketball as a team through playing basketball vs a particular system or structure.

Adapting his coaching to different situations.
 
I thought the NIU coach did a very poor job of reacting to the Zone. I actually didn't like the move to the zone because I thought German would go crazy but they didnt move the ball or move without the ball well enough and he got very few shots in the 2nd part of the 2nd Half.

I didn't think Johnson was playing bad so I dont know why he got benched. At 1 point, Capel had him go to the scorer's table then quickly calles him back.

Curtis Aiken mentioned something on the pregame about Capel holding guys accountable so I took that as McGowens was late for practice or some other minor team violation.

Until Pitt gets a high-level rebounder, this team wont get back to the NCAAT. Even if we had the Johnson kid from Rutgers, who was a 300ish "lottery ticket" Big, I think we make the NCAAT because is an elite rebounder (and can score a little). You have to get lucky with guys like that. We used to but not in geez, what, like 10 years?

are you suggesting we haven't had an elite rounder in 10 years?
 
I am still rather confused/concerned on what the hell X, Trey and Audiese did over the summer, because there has been little development in their games and in many cases what seems to be regression.

I think our optimism was the natural development Fr have to Sophs, and apply it to those three and it hasn't happened.

I think our fears/concerns were the probable/possible defections to the NBA for X and even Trey after this year. I don't think that is obviously going to happen.

We may have been overly optimistic about how much these sophomores may have improved. The problem is, they themselves may have been too.

I think I would start Toney from now on. Instead of just playing his game, it seemed like he was trying to do too much earlier. Maybe he was concerned about losing playing time to the newcomers.
 
are you suggesting we haven't had an elite rounder in 10 years?

I was meaning to say we havent "gotten lucky" with a Big guy lottery ticket in 10 years. I think the last was Gary McGhee. That Johnson kid from Rutgers reminds me of a guy we would have gotten during Dixon I. But when was the last time we had an elite rebounder? Adams? McGhee? I wouldn't call Mike Young elite although I am sure someone will post a stat showing he was.
 
I was meaning to say we havent "gotten lucky" with a Big guy lottery ticket in 10 years. I think the last was Gary McGhee. That Johnson kid from Rutgers reminds me of a guy we would have gotten during Dixon I. But when was the last time we had an elite rebounder? Adams? McGhee? I wouldn't call Mike Young elite although I am sure someone will post a stat showing he was.

it's a loaded stat.. depends on how you look at it. Some guys are great rebounders but only play 15 min per game. Some aren't but get the raw numbers strictly because of minutes. One of the better ways to view it is REB/40 min.

2019: Hamilton - 10.9
2018: Brown - 9.6
2017: (Luther - 12.4) Brown - 7.6
2016: (Nix - 16.5) Jeter - 10.1
2015: Maia - 11.9
2014: (Uchebo - 10.2) Randall - 9.6
2013: Zanna - 11.3
2012: Adams - 10.8
2011: (Birch - 13.3) Zanna - 11.5 Taylor - 10.5
2010: McGhee - 13.4 Taylor - 11.9 Zanna - 11.7
2009: McGhee - 11.2 Taylor - 10.7
2008: Blair - 18.1
2007: Blair - 14.0
2006: Gray - 13.4


2019: Myles Johnson (Rutgers) - 14.2
 
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It seems we rebounded better playing zone. They were poor on the boards for much of the game and then took care of business late.
 
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