I typed two words in my original post and it ignited a friggin fire storm. It’s not my fault people cannot have civil discourse.
Now we can put that insufferable stiff Stallings behind us...
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I have no interest or reason to defend Jamie Dixon, and I'm certainly not going to pretend like his mediocre final years were great. He's no longer the coach at Pitt because he chose to leave and go coach TCU. I don't defend TCU's coach.
I directly replied to one of your posts. The one about everyone shutting up about Dixon. A comment made by the #1 Dixon poster on the board.
I'll follow your lead.
What was a lie? You were Jamie’s neighbor right? You also don’t think you are a bit biased?
Narduzzi isn't the answer. Oh wait did I divert off topic lol? But as for Dixon, I think he got stale towards the end, couldn't recruit well at all and his teams were so boring to watch offensively. He needed gone. And I'm glad now that Stallings was brought here only in that we never get Capel otherwise most likely. And if Capel continues to bring us 4 star players, an occasional 5, some solid bigs, etc... we will be a force consistently I believe for years to come.
Wait. Ben Roethlisberger was Mark Madden’s neighbor and Mark Madden will defend the guy til the day he dies. Ben has done some great things for the Steelers. But there has also been some things that are indefensible, but Madden ignores those. I think you’re on to something.
You’re right. Ben is a GREAT QB, but he’s a terrible leader of men right now at the most important position on the field.
In life it’s about all of it, “the good and the bad” so to speak. To not acknowledge one or the other is either ignorant or denial.
Let’s move on.
I don’t back down when reality and truth are on my side.
If in year 2 or 3 capel wins 9 acc games and make the dance we’re going to be thrilled, right?
Taking a bottom of the barrel program and immediately winning is impressive, right?
I give you tcu and Dixon. Our hope is to minimally replicate our “funk” and “slide” as a program under capel.
It’s okay to acknowledge that reality.
I'm not going to keep regurgitating what I've already said. It's useless on this board because posters refuse to listen or see reality. They lie and it reveals their ignorance.
Yes, I was Jamie's neighbor. I also am objective enough to realize that Jamie wasn't recruiting to the level he needed to recruit to achieve consistent success in the ACC. This was because of a myriad of circumstances, some not of his making. He moved into a much better situation for him where he has the resources and support of his university and could recruit accordingly. I admit he was stale here, even though he wanted to stay and finish his coaching career at Pitt.
I don't know why people on this board have to keep bringing him up. Please just move on. He's gone now and we have a coach who is doing a fantastic job, from results so far. We need to appreciate what we have RIGHT NOW and not keep living in the past.
People keep bringing him up because they do. When one person makes a comment, stupidly or not about him, the Jamiebots come out with knives and guns blazing. If you guys would let a stupid comment go by a Del or especially Phil, there wouldn't be these threads.
He’s the past and by far gave us our most extended and successful period of Pitt hoops
There isn’t a single reason to run him down.
I prefer to focus on the present and the future. I am excited. How 'bout you?
But you’re moving on-
After this 20th reference to him.
Acknowledging he’s a great coach isn’t worshiping him.
Of course when your only rebuttal is weak ad hominens- because you’ve again lost of the merit of substance-
It’s the card you play
After this 20th reference to him.
Acknowledging he’s a great coach isn’t worshiping him.
Of course when your only rebuttal is weak ad hominens- because you’ve again lost of the merit of substance-
It’s the card you play
You're welcome to ignore facts if you want to.
Souf, I acknowledge much of what you say is true and freely admit Jamie was by far our best and most successful coach.
Where we obviously disagree is where the program was going if Jamie had stayed. You obviously feel Jamie would be able to replicate his last 5 years had he stayed any longer.
Since Jamie did not stay, all we are left to do is extrapolate what these last two years and beyond might have been like, considering recruiting had slipped.( jamie clearly can still coach)
Apparently, you believe Jamie would have continued to get us to the tournament after Jamel and Young left. I would argue that after those two were gone, which would have been last years team, no coach could have made it a winner. That includes having all of jamie's players prior to Stallings running them off.
It takes several good to elite players to make the tournament out of the ACC. I don't know what players from that team were going to get us to anywhere near a 500 record last season.
Jamie made the NCAA'S 3 of the last 5 years he was here. Prior to that he hadn't missed. That tells me the program was starting to "slip" in his last 5 years. What do you suppose the next 5 might have been like? Even if you did think Jamie's recruiting still was solid, it is hard to defend him in regards to recruiting and fielding a complete team. He had failed to recruit a solid 5, and hadn't had a solid shooting guard since Gibby.
In the end, it is conjecture since Jamie moved on to TCU. So nobody can really be proven right or wrong. That said, I am not a college basketball guru, however, I believe that we are now better off that Capel is here and the last two years are in the rear view mirror. Here's why:
In one short year, I see legitimate ACC guards and a quality small forward. When you can get players like that, you have a chance to be good to even special. Can Capel continue to bring in this level of player? That is the big question, but, at the end I knew Jamie couldn't.
So let me get this straight...people bring him up to criticize him, but the people at fault for the conversation are the “jamiebots?”
Why aren’t you calling out the people that brought it up in the first place? Instead, you piled on.
Does it feel good? I mean to keep this going on and on and on......
Since all ther JIGERs refuse to let it go and are completely clueless on evwerything related to the object of their man crush, they can chew on this. You and your ilk completely exonerate Dixon for the mess he created, exaggerate his successes, dismiss/ignore the state of the program when he departed and fabricate stories to support your viewpoint. The best example of this is pointing to Artis and Young as examples of "the quality" of talent he left for the next regime. Artis and Young were the most divisive and egocentric players to ever don a Pitt uniform and damaged the program by their selfish and lazy play...and they were poison from a team standpoint but yet were the best of what Dixon left on his departure!
Dixon more than Barnes, Stallings or anyone else is responsible for the nadir experienced by Pitt BB. He started the boulder running down hill at 500 mph. He nickeled and dimed Pitt for every every cent he could wring out of the university every other year by flirting with other programs, insisted on scheduling cupcakes to perpetuate the myth that the program was still healthy, and when he got the financial security he craved, he ran the program into the ground with both horrible recruiting and coaching. He ran back to his alma mater like a coward when he realized the mess he made. He destroyed everything good he did the way he left Pitt...trying to play the martyr and intimate through third parties he was driven away. Driven away? Why? Because the AD had the temerity to tell him that things needed to change given the trajectory of the program? He couldn't even give away a scholarship by the time he left Pitt and Pitt is still trying to shake the ugly duckling reputation he had fashioned for the BB program by the time he left. Commentators were laughing on air at Pitt after that Wisconsin ncaa game. That game encapsulated how every pundit and BB fan nationally viewed Pitt BB. What a joke......driven away...he tucked tail and RAN as fast as he could from his disintegrating program.
As expected the choker lost yesterday to Oklahoma...continuing his habit of losing to every team on his schedule with a pulse! Good....my two favorite BB teams: Pitt and whoever is playing TCU.
Tell us how you really feel Del!!! Yeah that Wisconsin game STILL gives me nightmares.
I mean I could ask you the same question. You can’t help but to come into a Dixon thread and start dragging him through the mud.
Can we put this insufferable thread behind us? Please? The dead horse cannot be killed again!
No doubt. You’re right about that. Owt isn’t debating you on this.
And I fail to see how Owtie is running him down.
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