Now we can put that insufferable stiff Stallings behind us...

[HailToPitt1985]

I'm not going to be suckered into the Dixon talk again because all I see are the lies and fabrications from posters on this board who know nothing about what happened. But ignorance is bliss.

I just hope that when it doesn't go too well in the next couple of years, and there are bound to be those periods of time when Capel is outcoached or this team doesn't play well, that Pitt fans don't return to form and slam him. This team and this coach are class acts, give it their all in every game and in practice, and they will win a lot of games.

 

[88Pitt88]

I don't understand why you guys continue to butt heads with Souf. First off, I want to say I have no problem giving him a like on his posts when he posts good and credible stuff, which he does sometimes. That said, he will not budge on the subject of Dixon. As I mentioned before, he was our best and most successful coach, he was also slipping in recruiting and the program was sliding downhill under his watch. Those are facts! If you expect to hear that from Souf, Good Luck 2 you, you will be waiting quite a while.

 

[NTOP]

I don't understand why you guys continue to butt heads with Souf. First off, I want to say I have no problem giving him a like on his posts when he posts good and credible stuff, which he does sometimes. That said, he will not budge on the subject of Dixon. As I mentioned before, he was our best and most successful coach, he was also slipping in recruiting and the program was sliding downhill under his watch. Those are facts! If you expect to hear that from Souf, Good Luck 2 you, you will be waiting quite a while.

4 NBA players in his last few classes isn't exactly "slipping". He did keep bad recruiters on his staff at the end....but he had no intention of leaving. You claim "facts" by posting opinions. Fake news.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

4 NBA players in his last few classes isn't exactly "slipping". He did keep bad recruiters on his staff at the end....but he had no intention of leaving. You claim "facts" by posting opinions. Fake news.

What people don't realize, in the Great Peruvian Earthquake of 2012, the US didn't send aid, we just sent Jamie Dixon.

 

[NTOP]

What people don't realize, in the Great Peruvian Earthquake of 2012, the US didn't send aid, we just sent Jamie Dixon.

Too bad you weren't there.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Too bad you weren't there.

I didn't need to be there. Jamie was there. That is all we needed.

 

[H2P 2003]

Why can’t we just shut up about Dixon. It is truly pathetic that this fanbase still feels the need to bash him.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Why can’t we just shut up about Dixon. It is truly pathetic that this fanbase still feels the need to bash him.

I didn't bring him up. I don't care about him. He's gone. I don't think he is looking back, neither am I. Why can't the rest of us just look where we are now or the future.

 

[H2P 2003]

I didn't bring him up. I don't care about him. He's gone. I don't think he is looking back, neither am I. Why can't the rest of us just look where we are now or the future.

I don’t know, but you certainly haven’t held back on ripping on him.

Again, the only people that bring him up now are people that want to rip on him.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I don't care about him.

And yet you've made what, about a dozen posts in this thread alone about him?

You sure do care a lot about someone that you don't care about.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Do you think we would still be making the tourney with the dreck he was bringing in? Is maxing out at an 8-10 seed and getting that 1 tourney game, I mean if that is what you want, fine.

Don't bring the Stallings era into it. I would rather have a run or two every so many seasons than be a middle of the road ACC team every year which is what we were. You are confusing 2004-2010 with what became of Pitt basketball. Yeah, I will take those years in a heartbeat. Sign me up.

But they were gone.

This is an absolute bingo.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

And yet you've made what, about a dozen posts in this thread alone about him?

You sure do care a lot about someone that you don't care about.

But Joe, most people agree with me. All I am debating is the end of the Dixon era. That's it. I prefer to move on....but many of you don't want to. Especially guys like Souf. If you want to align with him, fine. So be it. But it is a new era. But let's not make it out as many of you that when Jamie left it was like Pitt was 2009 and we were at the top of the food chain. If you want to argue, shut up cause you are wrong. If you want to argue more...shut up. Just shut up and walk away. Be a man.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

While there are some who rip him, they are few and far between. I don’t understand why essentially saying there was a Dixon part 1 and a Dixon part 2 is “ripping him”. It’s simply stating facts and being objective.

To me, If equating to college football, Dixon was a very good coach who got us to New Years Day Bowls consistently for a large chunk of his tenure. Then he became a coach who barely got us bowl eligible his last handful of years. If that’s good enough for you, fine. But when you squeak into the tourney and have teams that are not capable or built to win games there, it’s easy to see rationale on why a university would choose to part ways, IF they had a better option. Pitt made the mistake with Wanny and they made the mistake with Dixon because they didn’t have the better option.

It’s just a matter of expectations. Tourney appearances are the measure of success for Souf and that’s fine. To me, I’ll take less tourney appearances if it meant that when we got there we had hope, belief and the ability to string a few wins together.

I was one who wasnt thrilled to see Jamie go. But I understood. And I was ok with it because I erroneously felt that if they let a guy like that go that they had a plan. It turns out that they did. And it wasn’t good.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

But Joe, most people agree with me. All I am debating is the end of the Dixon era. That's it. I prefer to move on....but many of you don't want to. Especially guys like Souf. If you want to align with him, fine. So be it. But it is a new era. But let's not make it out as many of you that when Jamie left it was like Pitt was 2009 and we were at the top of the food chain. If you want to argue, shut up cause you are wrong. If you want to argue more...shut up. Just shut up and walk away. Be a man.

I haven't made one argument at all in this thread or any of the others on this subject in a long time. You know why? Because while some people say that people should let it go while continuing to bring it up over and over and over and over and over and over again, I've actually let it go.

Someday, hopefully soon, you'll take your own advice and shut up and walk away. I mean I'm not holding my breath, but it could theoretically happen some day.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

But Joe, most people agree with me. All I am debating is the end of the Dixon era. That's it. I prefer to move on....but many of you don't want to. Especially guys like Souf. If you want to align with him, fine. So be it. But it is a new era. But let's not make it out as many of you that when Jamie left it was like Pitt was 2009 and we were at the top of the food chain. If you want to argue, shut up cause you are wrong. If you want to argue more...shut up. Just shut up and walk away. Be a man.

I’ve said it here 100 times. There was a time that Jamie had us in the top 4-5 teams of all of college basketball over a 7, then 8 and then 9 year period. It was Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, and Pitt in number of wins over the period. That’s pretty damn good. In fact, that’s great. But then it all changed. There was a Dixon 1 and then a Dixon 2. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging it.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I’ve said it here 100 times. There was a time that Jamie had us in the top 4-5 teams of all of college basketball over a 7, then 8 and then 9 year period. It was Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, and Pitt in number of wins over the period. That’s pretty damn good. In fact, that’s great. But then it all changed. There was a Dixon 1 and then a Dixon 2. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging it.

And I’ll add that he did that in the toughest conference in America.

 

[H2P 2003]

I’ve said it here 100 times. There was a time that Jamie had us in the top 4-5 teams of all of college basketball over a 7, then 8 and then 9 year period. It was Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, and Pitt in number of wins over the period. That’s pretty damn good. In fact, that’s great. But then it all changed. There was a Dixon 1 and then a Dixon 2. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging it.

For the love of god, everyone acknowledges that. However the argument that those last 5 years were falling off a cliff and bad is where the contention comes.

Dixon fell off, but pitt was still a top 25-35 program in that timeframe, even though those last 5 years are made out on here as being god awful.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

For the love of god, everyone acknowledges that. However the argument that those last 5 years were falling off a cliff and bad is where the contention comes.

Dixon fell off, but pitt was still a top 25-35 program in that timeframe, even though those last 5 years are made out on here as being god awful.

For the love of God, no one is saying the last 5 years were God awful. No one. But there are some who think they were better than what they were.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

It appears that only those who didn’t like Dixon are the only ones who can’t put Dixon behind them.

What you say is so untrue DT. Just look at souf, 1985, NTOP and so many others like them on here. They continue to keep him on top of mind.

I really wish we could put the Howland/Dixon days and incessant the defense/ rebounding, defense/rebounding talk behind us. Defense and rebounding effort should be akin to breathing, in Hoops. It’s also like talking about the Steelers of the 70s.

 

[DT_PITT]

What you say is so untrue DT. Just look at souf, 1985, NTOP and so many others like them on here. They continue to keep him on top of mind.

I really wish we could put the Howland/Dixon days and incessant the defense/ rebounding, defense/rebounding talk behind us. Defense and rebounding effort should be akin to breathing, in Hoops. It’s also like talking about the Steelers of the 70s.

Ask yourself this ... why did you feel the need to add Dixon to the thread in the first place when all the posts before it had nothing to do with Dixon?

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Jesus...

Jamie Dixon is the best coach pitt has ever had. If capel even matches the last 5 years of dixon’s Tenure here, we will all be very happy.

Otherwise, give it a rest.

Not true in my mind

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Why can’t we just shut up about Dixon. It is truly pathetic that this fanbase still feels the need to bash him.

Let's follow your lead.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Not true in my mind

In my opinion, if Capel matched Jamie’s last 5 years, he’d be not much different than Pat Narduzzi. “all” would not be happy with that. Some would. Some wouldn’t.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I’ve said it here 100 times. There was a time that Jamie had us in the top 4-5 teams of all of college basketball over a 7, then 8 and then 9 year period. It was Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, and Pitt in number of wins over the period. That’s pretty damn good. In fact, that’s great. But then it all changed. There was a Dixon 1 and then a Dixon 2. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging it.

I know. I am not sure why this is so divisive. I guess that is where we are in politics and that, that you can only be all in or all out. Jamie was great. His first 8 years, I would kill for that. Kill for it. Wouldn't trade it. But his last 5 were not that great. Same with saying this about Mike Tomlin, or Dan Bylsma or if you are in Green Bay, Mike McCarthy.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Ask yourself this ... why did you feel the need to add Dixon to the thread in the first place?

Because I think we can finally put his, Bens, Pedersons, Nordys, Stallings and Barnes eras behind us now.

Heather’s here. Jeff is here. It’s a Zoo Era. Let’s move on from them ALL!!

 

[DT_PITT]

Because I think we can finally put his, Bens, Pedersons, Nordys, Stallings and Barnes eras behind us now.

Heather’s here. Jeff is here. It’s a Zoo Era. Let’s move on from them ALL!!

But that didn't really answer my question, did it?

Nothing in the thread mentioned Dixon until you did.

 

[H2P 2003]

For the love of God, no one is saying the last 5 years were God awful. No one. But there are some who think they were better than what they were.

Have you read some of the posts now? Did you read posts on all the pitt boards while he was here.

Don’t be disingenuous about it. There were plenty of people that said the state of the program was awful and that any coach could do just as well as Dixon.

I’m done, I’m sorry, but you simply are not being honest.

 

[H2P 2003]

Let's follow your lead.

Tell your pals that constantly bring him up and bash him that. Look at this thread, look at any recent thread that mentions Dixon. It is NEVER the so called JIGS that being hik up.

Take your own advice and shut up about it, and I gladly will.

 

[H2P 2003]

What you say is so untrue DT. Just look at souf, 1985, NTOP and so many others like them on here. They continue to keep him on top of mind.

I really wish we could put the Howland/Dixon days and incessant the defense/ rebounding, defense/rebounding talk behind us. Defense and rebounding effort should be akin to breathing, in Hoops. It’s also like talking about the Steelers of the 70s.

You brought it up. The only people whoever bring it up are the people that want to criticize him. What do you expect when Dixon is interjected into a thread for no reason?

 

[H2P 2003]

But that didn't really answer my question, did it?

Nothing in the thread mentioned Dixon until you did.

The fact of the matter is that mark brought it up, fk made a post talking about dixon’s Last 5 years being bad, and naturally the thread went i the trash from there.

I just find it laughable that the people that brought up in the first place are the ones who are now complaining about JIGS.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

I'll follow your lead H2Dixon 2003. You can't resist a thread that mentions your hero. You're the #1 volume poster in this thread.

I loved Dixon, the best coach I've known at Pitt in any sport. But his recruiting fell off a cliff and he turned into a .500 conference guy. It wasn't an off year or two either.

Then he left to go coach his alma matta. He could have told Barnes to go screw himself. He didn't because he wanted to leave. Ok then, see ya.

We still have his boot lickers fawning over him at TCU on this board. I couldn't care less if he ever won another basketball game.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Have you read some of the posts now? Did you read posts on all the pitt boards while he was here.

Don’t be disingenuous about it. There were plenty of people that said the state of the program was awful and that any coach could do just as well as Dixon.

I’m done, I’m sorry, but you simply are not being honest.

I don’t know. I remember the Phils and Del but I don’t think there was this overwhelming sentiment of what you’re saying.

Based on you’re previous post a few posts above, I’m not sure what all are debating at this point. (Other than Souf, who contends that the last 5 years were great and if Jamie were given the chance, the next 5 years would have been great too.). An overwhelming majority of us loved Jamie, 90% of us acknowledge that he slipped, 100% of us hated the Stallings hire, and 99% of us are likely happy with Capel.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

But that didn't really answer my question, did it?

Nothing in the thread mentioned Dixon until you did.

Stallings biggest mistake was saying yes to Barnes. He was WAAAAAAY past his prime and neither his heart nor family were here. We are past him. Barnes is a snake. We are past him.

Dixon was declining, Barnes wasn’t a fan of Dixon, he let him walk with a nudge. To say that Dixon didn’t have some accountability for some of the nightmares we had since he left is disingenuous. We are past him.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

The fact of the matter is that mark brought it up, fk made a post talking about dixon’s Last 5 years being bad, and naturally the thread went i the trash from there.

I just find it laughable that the people that brought up in the first place are the ones who are now complaining about JIGS.

Just when I thought we were reaching common ground, you go and say this! How is saying the program was in a funk saying it was bad?? Me saying the program was in a funk is no different than you saying it slipped.

 

[H2P 2003]

I don’t know. I remember the Phils and Del but I don’t think there was this overwhelming sentiment of what you’re saying.

Based on you’re previous post a few posts above, I’m not sure what all are debating at this point. (Other than Souf, who contends that the last 5 years were great and if Jamie were given the chance, the next 5 years would have been great too.). An overwhelming majority of us loved Jamie, 90% of us acknowledge that he slipped, 100% of us hated the Stallings hire, and 99% of us are likely happy with Capel.

I’ll let @DT_PITT respon to your first paragraph.

 

[H2P 2003]

Just when I thought we were reaching common ground, you go and say this! How is saying the program was in a funk saying it was bad?? Me saying the program was in a funk is no different than you saying it slipped.

I guess my point is, why bring it up in the first place?

 

[H2P 2003]

I'll follow your lead H2Dixon 2003. You can't resist a thread that mentions your hero. You're the #1 volume poster in this thread.

I loved Dixon, the best coach I've known at Pitt in any sport. But his recruiting fell off a cliff and he turned into a .500 conference guy. It wasn't an off year or two either.

Then he left to go coach his alma matta. He could have told Barnes to go screw himself. He didn't because he wanted to leave. Ok then, see ya.

We still have his boot lickers fawning over him at TCU on this board. I couldn't care less if he ever won another basketball game.

Like I said, call out both sides. You seem to have no problems with posters like Del but take heavy exception to me, souf, ntop, etc.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Why can’t we just shut up about Dixon. It is truly pathetic that this fanbase still feels the need to bash him.

Nice to have Jamie and thanks.. it's Capel time !

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I guess my point is, why bring it up in the first place?

You’re asking the wrong guy. I just simply responded to Mark by saying yeah the program was in a funk, Stallings killed it and Capel looks to have brought it back. I didn’t think that was controversial or debatable.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Like I said, call out both sides. You seem to have no problems with posters like Del but take heavy exception to me, souf, ntop, etc.

Del is wrong. Dixon is not a bum. He’s a very good coach that kids have a hard time relating to nowadays.

I just don’t think he is or was capable of a rebuild.