On Jeff Capel…

[Oregon_Panther]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

He's a great person but kids dont want to play for him. It makes no sense. The bottom line is he has to get and retain good players and he cant

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Hugley stole a car. XJ and Toney were hooking up with Champagnie’s girl. Horton punched a cop.

Capel is all talk. This program is a dumpster fire on and off the court.

 

[balboa10]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Jamie dixon was a great guy. Didn’t save him. Capel had the same issues in Oklahoma at some point when does it become his fault. His recruiting has been horrible. His brother recruiting has been terrible. The transfers have been bad. The off the court issues have been bad. I’m glad he is big on Twitter with racial issues and getting his point across but at some point he needs to perform. He has not performed in 4 years. What will next year bring. He has no recruits. It will depend on transfers and what would make u think he can bring in transfers. Which transfer has he brought in so far that looks like a game changer. Burton will be ok he is not a game changer. He speaks well so did cam bonify sometimes the great speakers sound so good but u need to see what their doing. He has done nothing but give us talk so far. If I want a lesson in life I’ll find someone out there if I want to hear about politicians u have either side to watch.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jamie dixon was a great guy. Didn’t save him. Capel had the same issues in Oklahoma at some point when does it become his fault. His recruiting has been horrible. His brother recruiting has been terrible. The transfers have been bad. The off the court issues have been bad. I’m glad he is big on Twitter with racial issues and getting his point across but at some point he needs to perform. He has not performed in 4 years. What will next year bring. He has no recruits. It will depend on transfers and what would make u think he can bring in transfers. Which transfer has he brought in so far that looks like a game changer. Burton will be ok he is not a game changer. He speaks well so did cam bonify sometimes the great speakers sound so good but u need to see what their doing. He has done nothing but give us talk so far. If I want a lesson in life I’ll find someone out there if I want to hear about politicians u have either side to watch.

I saw a stat that he's 39-79 in conference games without Blake Griffin

 

[NTOP]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Maybe he can replace Mr. Hillgrove?? Or maybe it'd be better if Mr. Hillgrove replaced Capel?

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Maybe someone with inside knowledge can help me out here, but was it always Capel's intention to reinstate Hugley? He was suspended from the team until late in the spring, until well after the Efton Reid/Mama Bear decision, and after Coulibaly & Brown had transferred, and after it was clear that no major grad transfers were coming in to fill that role. Maybe Capel was always planning to reinstate Hugley but it seemed to me that his hand was pretty well forced on that decision by the roster make up.

 

[UPitt '89]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

He can't recruit.

And when he does land a player, they can't wait to transfer out.

When you can't acquire or retain players, you have nothing.

He has to go. Sadly.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Hugley stole a car. XJ and Toney were hooking up with Champagnie’s girl. Horton punched a cop.

Capel is all talk. This program is a dumpster fire on and off the court.

Blame him for not recruiting well enough or not winning enough is fair , but blaming a coach for anyone‘s poor personal decisions is wrong unless these guys were known habitual criminals when recruited .

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

It is a coach's responsibility to be aware of potential character issues before recruiting any player and then to maintain a tight rein on all player behavior once they are at a school. That may not be fair but it is definitely a requirement--to quote President Truman---"The buck stops here."

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It is a coach's responsibility to be aware of potential character issues before recruiting any player and then to maintain a tight rein on all player behavior once they are at a school. That may not be fair but it is definitely a requirement--to quote President Truman---"The buck stops here."

Now he’s supposed to know the future actions of his players , give me a break . These kids weren’t taken from juvie.

Tell you a story , a friend of mine knew a gentle , well mannered college professor who was having a non violent , but loud aggressive fight with his wife . There was no history of violence in this mans past . The police were called by neighbors and when they came he shot both of the officers in the chest . Fortunately they were wearing vests , but the guys in jail for the rest of his life . There was nothing in this mans past to ever suggest such actions . No one knows the future and the only person whose responsible for your actions are you . ( not your coach ! )

 

[HailToPitt1985]

There is something wrong with the character of a man when his recruits want out practically as soon as they get here. Some before they even get here. And don't assume what he publicly says and does is what he is like. He also needs to shut up about the racial issues on twitter and do his job. His job is to coach the team, not get involved with politics.

In Capel's best day, he's not even half of what Jamie Dixon was when he was here at Pitt. Forget the records, I'm talking about his character.

 

[Chescat]

I, just like everyone else
on here, have no clue
about his character. He
appears to be a decent
man, and he very well
may be one. The point is
we don't know, and comments
about his character are
nothing more than guesses
and opinions.

So, What is it we DO know?
- We know that his won loss
record here at Pitt is awful.
- We know his program has
had personnel issues.
- We know he hasn't been able
to recruit elite players he has
targeted.
- We know a number of his
very good recruits leave.
- We know he runs a pg
oriented offense and tends
not to change it regardless.
- We know he occasionally
get his team UP for some
games and pulls some upsets.
- We know this year's team is
seriously undermanned and
is trending downward.

That's how I see it. Feel free
to add or delete from my
list. LOL

 

[NTOP]

Now he’s supposed to know the future actions of his players , give me a break . These kids weren’t taken from juvie.

Tell you a story , a friend of mine knew a gentle , well mannered college professor who was having a non violent , but loud aggressive fight with his wife . There was no history of violence in this mans past . The police were called by neighbors and when they came he shot both of the officers in the chest . Fortunately they were wearing vests , but the guys in jail for the rest of his life . There was nothing in this mans past to ever suggest such actions . No one knows the future and the only person whose responsible for your actions are you . ( not your coach ! )

So you think they didn't notice a bit of "attitude" while they scouted those first 3 recruits? He was desperate....but he signed his contract. I recall that Toney was a guy who was an academic ? So if we give Jeff a free pass for those guys, he's had about 3 legit ACC players in 4 classes...and one is gone after 2 years. The 2022 class now has NONE.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

So you think they didn't notice a bit of "attitude" while they scouted those first 3 recruits? He was desperate....but he signed his contract. I recall that Toney was a guy who was an academic ? So if we give Jeff a free pass for those guys, he's had about 3 legit ACC players in 4 classes...and one is gone after 2 years. The 2022 class now has NONE.

Think he should have gone into the season with what was left of the KS roster ?

No ones arguing that his recruiting hasn’t been a huge disappointment.

 

[Wanstash21]

Stallings was also open and honest about everything. More open than Capel. The season we didn't win any games he had to start over from a roster standpoint. Literally had to construct a new roster in one year. I don't see any difference between he and Capel. If you didn't think KS players liked him, check again. They all left when he got fired. They wanted to play for him. The only difference is that he had zero support from administration and fans.. Capel had both before this year.

idc about who Capel is when he leaves the facility. none of us should. I keep seeing "he seems like a good dude" or something along those lines... WHO CARES???? why does this matter? He can't win games. he can't recruit. I know a bunch of nice guys .. that doesn't mean they should be running a P5 program.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Stallings was also open and honest about everything. More open than Capel. The season we didn't win any games he had to start over from a roster standpoint. Literally had to construct a new roster in one year. I don't see any difference between he and Capel. If you didn't think KS players liked him, check again. They all left when he got fired. They wanted to play for him. The only difference is that he had zero support from administration and fans.. Capel had both before this year.

idc about who Capel is when he leaves the facility. none of us should. I keep seeing "he seems like a good dude" or something along those lines... WHO CARES???? why does this matter? He can't win games. he can't recruit. I know a bunch of nice guys .. that doesn't mean they should be running a P5 program.

Stallings seemed like a total dickhead but the players loved him despite going 0-19. Capel seems like an awesome dude and yet players don't like him. Makes no sense.

 

[Wanstash21]

Stallings seemed like a total dickhead but the players loved him despite going 0-19. Capel seems like an awesome dude and yet players don't like him. Makes no sense.

KS is a good coach.. a proven coach. the Jeter incident from before + yelling at players turned people off, but it shouldn't have lead to zero fan support. His first year he didn't have a PG and still won 16 games. does Capel win 16 games with that roster? absolutely not. Capel had a good team last year and it imploded.

KS isn't young and "fun" like Capel is perceived to be. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to KS talk, because he is insanely smart. he knows the game so well. you could buy what he was selling.. our fans being total nimrods just didn't give him a fair shot. players clearly like him... a lot.

 

[pittchagg]

Stallings was also open and honest about everything. More open than Capel. The season we didn't win any games he had to start over from a roster standpoint. Literally had to construct a new roster in one year. I don't see any difference between he and Capel. If you didn't think KS players liked him, check again. They all left when he got fired. They wanted to play for him. The only difference is that he had zero support from administration and fans.. Capel had both before this year.

idc about who Capel is when he leaves the facility. none of us should. I keep seeing "he seems like a good dude" or something along those lines... WHO CARES???? why does this matter? He can't win games. he can't recruit. I know a bunch of nice guys .. that doesn't mean they should be running a P5 program.

He decided to rebuild the roster in his first offseason by cutting loose half of the roster that was returning, and then signing the players that he did because he underachieved so badly in year one - which was exclusively due to his incorrect belief that Jamel Artis was a point guard, rather than going out and signing one when he was hired...like Capel did when he signed two point guards as late signees after he was hired. So yeah, I absolutely believe Capel would have won more games with that roster because he would have actually tried to improve the roster after he was hired instead of trying to turn Jamel Artis into the primary ballhandler. Even with his flaws, a player like Xavier on that roster would have had them in the NCAA tournament quite comfortably.

But to the larger point, nobody made him cut loose Manigault (which resulted in losing Thompson), or Wilson, Kithcart, etc. - those roster decisions stemmed from a series of choices that Stallings made, and he owns the consequences for those decisions just like Capel's roster decisions do now. Stallings' motivation then is the same as Capel's this offseason - he was led to believe from his AD that he had time to rebuild. But he decided to embark on that rebuild by himself, and it's nobody's fault but his that the players he decided to embark on that rebuild with weren't very good. Same with Capel.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

When you have more discipline/character problems than most other programs you are doing something wrong.

Also, there is a reason pro sports teams run private background checks on players they are considering drafting.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

I, just like everyone else
on here, have no clue
about his character. He
appears to be a decent
man, and he very well
may be one. The point is
we don't know, and comments
about his character are
nothing more than guesses
and opinions.

So, What is it we DO know?
- We know that his won loss
record here at Pitt is awful.
- We know his program has
had personnel issues.
- We know he hasn't been able
to recruit elite players he has
targeted.
- We know a number of his
very good recruits leave.
- We know he runs a pg
oriented offense and tends
not to change it regardless.
- We know he occasionally
get his team UP for some
games and pulls some upsets.
- We know this year's team is
seriously undermanned and
is trending downward.

That's how I see it. Feel free
to add or delete from my
list. LOL

I find nothing to disagree with here. However, I will add that it seems Capel is trying to coach his teams in a way that would work if they were as talented as Duke or UNC. That is the wrong approach, IMHO, when you don't have that level of talent to work with on your roster.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

He decided to rebuild the roster in his first offseason by cutting loose half of the roster that was returning, and then signing the players that he did because he underachieved so badly in year one - which was exclusively due to his incorrect belief that Jamel Artis was a point guard, rather than going out and signing one when he was hired...like Capel did when he signed two point guards as late signees after he was hired. So yeah, I absolutely believe Capel would have won more games with that roster because he would have actually tried to improve the roster after he was hired instead of trying to turn Jamel Artis into the primary ballhandler. Even with his flaws, a player like Xavier on that roster would have had them in the NCAA tournament quite comfortably.

But to the larger point, nobody made him cut loose Manigault (which resulted in losing Thompson), or Wilson, Kithcart, etc. - those roster decisions stemmed from a series of choices that Stallings made, and he owns the consequences for those decisions just like Capel's roster decisions do now. Stallings' motivation then is the same as Capel's this offseason - he was led to believe from his AD that he had time to rebuild. But he decided to embark on that rebuild by himself, and it's nobody's fault but his that the players he decided to embark on that rebuild with weren't very good. Same with Capel.

Kithcart was awful. He ended up being just an average player in D2. Manigault had an ok career at New Mexico but had mental problems and was involved in a hallway fight with another team at NM. Wilson was started on some good Georgia State teams and could have been an 8th/9th man on an ACC team but he wasnt that good. He only inherited 2 ACC underclassmen, but didn't improve on it. However, Young at VT only inherited 2 players period and got a whole new roster and won quickly

 

[cruzer]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Geez - maybe Capel could start every game by slipping on his tennis shoes, zipping up his cardigan, and singing "won't you be my neighbor".

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Forget about the record thus far…and think of the qualities he brings to the table.

He‘s honest individual, who cares about his team and the players on it. Yes, there may have been some toxicity among players, but he stood by Hugley (when most posters felt Hugley was done at Pitt) and there may be others he’s helped we don’t know about.

Yes, he’s judged by Ws and Ls, but this year he had 40% of his projected starting lineup out two weeks before the season began, through no fault of his. It’s a prime reason our backcourt has had problems.

Listen to his media interviews, he’s open and candid about things. He doesn’t sugarcoat things, but speaks from the heart.

Though the Ws haven’t come as we’ve hoped thus far, I view him as the type of person I want representing our University.

Just some thoughts from the West Coast.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

I don't get how you can say that Capel is honest while admitting there is toxicity in his program. I agree about the toxicity he has created. Who is responsible for that toxicity? He's the coach. He's not as transparent as you would like to believe. His honesty is in question. I won't go into his other character flaws which aren't conducive to a successful program.

Capel has been more of a disappointment than Stallings was, which is saying something. I and many other Pitt fans had high hopes for him when he arrived. He has let us down, not to mention the players and the administration.

 

[Wanstash21]

He decided to rebuild the roster in his first offseason by cutting loose half of the roster that was returning, and then signing the players that he did because he underachieved so badly in year one - which was exclusively due to his incorrect belief that Jamel Artis was a point guard, rather than going out and signing one when he was hired...like Capel did when he signed two point guards as late signees after he was hired. So yeah, I absolutely believe Capel would have won more games with that roster because he would have actually tried to improve the roster after he was hired instead of trying to turn Jamel Artis into the primary ballhandler. Even with his flaws, a player like Xavier on that roster would have had them in the NCAA tournament quite comfortably.

But to the larger point, nobody made him cut loose Manigault (which resulted in losing Thompson), or Wilson, Kithcart, etc. - those roster decisions stemmed from a series of choices that Stallings made, and he owns the consequences for those decisions just like Capel's roster decisions do now. Stallings' motivation then is the same as Capel's this offseason - he was led to believe from his AD that he had time to rebuild. But he decided to embark on that rebuild by himself, and it's nobody's fault but his that the players he decided to embark on that rebuild with weren't very good. Same with Capel.

Kitchart, Damon, Clark and Milligan were all on that 1st year team. All could handle the ball. A disaster of depth, but that's what JD left. I can't blame KS for not getting a PG to come in and play. I'm sure he thought Kitchart was capable, and we soon found out he wasn't. Hence Artis moving to PG.

If Capel coached that first year team with X, he still wouldn't have made the tournament. There's zero reason they should've missed the tournament last year. Didn't even sniff the NIT. He had the top PG in the ACC, one of the best two-way guys, and arguably POY in the ACC and his team stunk out loud. Yet you're gonna say X as a Frosh with Young (worse than JC) and Artis (slightly better than Toney) would've made the tourney "quite comfortably"? there's nothing to indicate that would've happened. actually quite the opposite.

Capel already cut the ties with his first batch of guys.. he's wayyyy further down the road than KS was. Aaron Thompson was ok, but Manigault stunk. So did Kitchart. So did Damon. They also didn't want to be here. So can we really fault him for letting them walk? If I remember correctly, Pitt fans didn't like KS because he wouldn't give Jeter a waiver to go to Pitt with immediate eligibility. If anything, he was stingy when it came to that stuff.

KS got 1.5 years. Whether he kept the guys you mentioned or not, wouldn't have made a difference. He didn't get a fair shake here and that's fine, but I just think it's comical some posters stand by Capel and this mess but act like his mess isn't as bad as KS. It's arguably worse.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

KS is a good coach.. a proven coach. the Jeter incident from before + yelling at players turned people off, but it shouldn't have lead to zero fan support. His first year he didn't have a PG and still won 16 games. does Capel win 16 games with that roster? absolutely not. Capel had a good team last year and it imploded.

KS isn't young and "fun" like Capel is perceived to be. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to KS talk, because he is insanely smart. he knows the game so well. you could buy what he was selling.. our fans being total nimrods just didn't give him a fair shot. players clearly like him... a lot.

the good coach lost to Louisville at home by 54 points (and embarrassingly got himself intentionally thrown out to no longer watch) with a senior laden team that played in the tourney the previous year. And those 16 wins only included 4 in the ACC, a loss to Duquesne, and an 8 game losing streak in ACC play. You don't think Capel would do better than that? Please stop with the revisionist history

 

[Wanstash21]

the good coach lost to Louisville at home by 54 points (and embarrassingly got himself intentionally thrown out to no longer watch) with a senior laden team that played in the tourney the previous year. And those 16 wins only included 4 in the ACC, a loss to Duquesne, and an 8 game losing streak in ACC play. You don't think Capel would do better than that? Please stop with the revisionist history

I'd take last year's X, Toney and JC over Mike Young, Artis and Luther/Jeter. Not really close either.

KS is a good coach.. his record at Vandy shows it. It's a solid resume and doesn't include wins on the back of Blake Griffin.

No, Capel wouldn't do better than 16 wins that year. He had a comparable team last year and was terrible.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I'd take last year's X, Toney and JC over Mike Young, Artis and Luther/Jeter. Not really close either.

KS is a good coach.. his record at Vandy shows it. It's a solid resume and doesn't include wins on the back of Blake Griffin.

No, Capel wouldn't do better than 16 wins that year. He had a comparable team last year and was terrible.

you may be right about Capel that year but two wrongs don't make a right....both did/doing a bad job here.

 

[Wanstash21]

you may be right about Capel that year but two wrongs don't make a right....both did/doing a bad job here.

KS stunk here. Capel currently stinks here. I'm not defending either, but I do think we'd be in decent shape if KS is still here.

 

[NTOP]

Stallings was also open and honest about everything. More open than Capel. The season we didn't win any games he had to start over from a roster standpoint. Literally had to construct a new roster in one year. I don't see any difference between he and Capel. If you didn't think KS players liked him, check again. They all left when he got fired. They wanted to play for him. The only difference is that he had zero support from administration and fans.. Capel had both before this year.

idc about who Capel is when he leaves the facility. none of us should. I keep seeing "he seems like a good dude" or something along those lines... WHO CARES???? why does this matter? He can't win games. he can't recruit. I know a bunch of nice guys .. that doesn't mean they should be running a P5 program.

He inherited 3 NBA players + Luther. We haven't come close to that talent, since. Stallings brought in very little help.....Carr might be a prospect for the NBA....though he can't shoot. Parker is a nice kid who can only shoot.

 

[Wanstash21]

He inherited 3 NBA players + Luther. We haven't come close to that talent, since. Stallings brought in very little help.....Carr might be a prospect for the NBA....though he can't shoot. Parker is a nice kid who can only shoot.

who inherited 3 NBA players? Cam Johnson at that point wasn't close to the NBA. Him shooting 50% from 3 at UNC two years later got him to the NBA.

Artis and Young aren't and never were NBA players.

 

[TWPitt]

who inherited 3 NBA players? Cam Johnson at that point wasn't close to the NBA. Him shooting 50% from 3 at UNC two years later got him to the NBA.

Artis and Young aren't and never were NBA players.

The team KS inherited was a better team than anything we have had since. Young, Artis, Jeter, Jones, Luther are all STILL playing professionally. They had 4 star Damon Wilson as a reserve too and Corey Manigault on the bench.

Jeter/Cam/Luther/Young/Artis/Jones is head and shoulders better than our top 6 last year of X/Toney/Champ/Brown/AKC and you pick the 6th..... Maybe 3 of those will have a 5+ year pro career even internationally.

Sheldon Jeter is still playing in the G-League https://gleague.nba.com/player/sheldon-jeter/
Jamel Artis played two years with the Orlando Magic in the NBA and G-League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamel_Artis
Michael Young played two years in the NBA with the Wizards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Young_(basketball,_born_1994)
Chris Jones was a 4 year player
Ryan Luther
Cam Johnson was a lottery pick and was a reserve on that team

 

[NTOP]

The team KS inherited was a better team than anything we have had since. Young, Artis, Jeter, Jones, Luther are all STILL playing professionally. They had 4 star Damon Wilson as a reserve too and Corey Manigault on the bench.

Jeter/Cam/Luther/Young/Artis/Jones is head and shoulders better than our top 6 last year of X/Toney/Champ/Brown/AKC and you pick the 6th..... Maybe 3 of those will have a 5+ year pro career even internationally.

Sheldon Jeter is still playing in the G-League https://gleague.nba.com/player/sheldon-jeter/
Jamel Artis played two years with the Orlando Magic in the NBA and G-League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamel_Artis
Michael Young played two years in the NBA with the Wizards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Young_(basketball,_born_1994)
Chris Jones was a 4 year player
Ryan Luther
Cam Johnson was a lottery pick and was a reserve on that team

Gee, someone looks pretty stupid....and it wasn't me. That's a new one.

 

[Wanstash21]

The team KS inherited was a better team than anything we have had since. Young, Artis, Jeter, Jones, Luther are all STILL playing professionally. They had 4 star Damon Wilson as a reserve too and Corey Manigault on the bench.

Jeter/Cam/Luther/Young/Artis/Jones is head and shoulders better than our top 6 last year of X/Toney/Champ/Brown/AKC and you pick the 6th..... Maybe 3 of those will have a 5+ year pro career even internationally.

Sheldon Jeter is still playing in the G-League https://gleague.nba.com/player/sheldon-jeter/
Jamel Artis played two years with the Orlando Magic in the NBA and G-League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamel_Artis
Michael Young played two years in the NBA with the Wizards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Young_(basketball,_born_1994)
Chris Jones was a 4 year player
Ryan Luther
Cam Johnson was a lottery pick and was a reserve on that team

1) Cam that year isn't the Cam that played at UNC. They aren't the same player. Not sure what makes you believe he was that good when he played for Pitt.

2) Artis had a cup of coffee with Orlando. Young was never on an NBA roster. Neither was Jeter.

3) Chris Jones stunk. Great, he was a 4 year player. So was Terrell Brown.

4) Luther was a decent college player. He's not a pro player.

Obviously the Cam we know now makes that Pitt team much better, but he wasn't that good here.

 

[Wanstash21]

Gee, someone looks pretty stupid....and it wasn't me. That's a new one.

there's a big difference between "NBA Player" and playing some minutes on a G league team or summer league team. By the definition, Young was never an NBA player. Neither was Jeter. Artis was, but if you have ever watched them play a single minute, you'd know very soon these guys aren't NBA players. Artis got a glimpse on arguably the worst NBA franchise of all time.

 

[TWPitt]

1) Cam that year isn't the Cam that played at UNC. They aren't the same player. Not sure what makes you believe he was that good when he played for Pitt.

2) Artis had a cup of coffee with Orlando. Young was never on an NBA roster. Neither was Jeter.

3) Chris Jones stunk. Great, he was a 4 year player. So was Terrell Brown.

4) Luther was a decent college player. He's not a pro player.

Obviously the Cam we know now makes that Pitt team much better, but he wasn't that good here.

Cam's #'s especially shooting (41.5% from 3) that year are still better than any we had last year or the year before.

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Season	Age	College	G	MP	FG	FGA	3P	3PA	FT	FTA	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AS
				Totals	Shooting	Per Game

2016-17	20	PITT	33	1099	127	284	78	188	60	74	23	149	77	31	11	38	86	392	.447	.415	.811	33.3	11.9	4.5	2.3

2) He is still playing professionally -- Never said JEter was in the NBA but he is still playing in the G-League today

3) Jones was a solid defender and better than any of our 2's we had last year -

4) He is still playing professionally overseas today so I guess the team paying him is wrong?

5) see CAm's stat's above he was pretty good for that team and would have been our #1 scoring option on last years team shooting 41% from 3 and averaging 12 / game as a 3rd or 4th option on that team. If Sophmore Cam was on last year's team he leads us in scoring by a landslide. I am not talking about UNC Cam. I was at those games and remember how good he looked that year. 11.9 PPG / 4.5 RPG/ 2.3 APG / 41.5 from 3 / 81.1% FT / 2:1 assist to TO /

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All that being said the argument is moot Stallings did less with more that 2016-7 team should have been in the NCAAT. As for our current roster it's Capel's fault he doesn't have more to work with at this point. His recruiting of Athletes is an A+ , Shooters a D, Big men an F and and that is what is killing him, he has had 4 years to put together a roster and here is where we are and all of that is on him and his staff.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

1) Cam that year isn't the Cam that played at UNC. They aren't the same player. Not sure what makes you believe he was that good when he played for Pitt.

2) Artis had a cup of coffee with Orlando. Young was never on an NBA roster. Neither was Jeter.

3) Chris Jones stunk. Great, he was a 4 year player. So was Terrell Brown.

4) Luther was a decent college player. He's not a pro player.

Obviously the Cam we know now makes that Pitt team much better, but he wasn't that good here.

Young was on the Wizards roster for a brief period but never got into a game.

 

[pittchagg]

Yeah, Cam shot 42% from three that season, and was pretty close to the top player in the portal...which resulted in the scholarship at UNC. He was really good - borderline elite offensively, and awful defensively, but that's not a huge surprise because I don't think Stallings coached a single player that wasn't awful defensively in his two years here.

 

[FrogmoreZeke]

1) Cam that year isn't the Cam that played at UNC. They aren't the same player. Not sure what makes you believe he was that good when he played for Pitt.

2) Artis had a cup of coffee with Orlando. Young was never on an NBA roster. Neither was Jeter.

3) Chris Jones stunk. Great, he was a 4 year player. So was Terrell Brown.

4) Luther was a decent college player. He's not a pro player.

Obviously the Cam we know now makes that Pitt team much better, but he wasn't that good here.

He certainly wasn't an NBA player when he left here but he was good enough to be coveted by a blue blood program.

 

[Wanstash21]

Cam's #'s especially shooting (41.5% from 3) that year are still better than any we had last year or the year before.

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				Totals	Shooting	Per Game
Season	Age	College	G	MP	FG	FGA	3P	3PA	FT	FTA	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AS

2016-17	20	PITT	33	1099	127	284	78	188	60	74	23	149	77	31	11	38	86	392	.447	.415	.811	33.3	11.9	4.5	2.3

2) He is still playing professionally -- Never said JEter was in the NBA but he is still playing in the G-League today

3) Jones was a solid defender and better than any of our 2's we had last year -

4) He is still playing professionally overseas today so I guess the team paying him is wrong?

5) see CAm's stat's above he was pretty good for that team and would have been our #1 scoring option on last years team shooting 41% from 3 and averaging 12 / game as a 3rd or 4th option on that team. If Sophmore Cam was on last year's team he leads us in scoring by a landslide. I am not talking about UNC Cam. I was at those games and remember how good he looked that year. 11.9 PPG / 4.5 RPG/ 2.3 APG / 41.5 from 3 / 81.1% FT / 2:1 assist to TO /

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All that being said the argument is moot Stallings did less with more that 2016-7 team should have been in the NCAAT. As for our current roster it's Capel's fault he doesn't have more to work with at this point. His recruiting of Athletes is an A+ , Shooters a D, Big men an F and and that is what is killing him, he has had 4 years to put together a roster and here is where we are and all of that is on him and his staff.

dude half of CBB players can make it overseas. If we're calling that pro ball, a lot of guys from last years team will also find a spot in "pro" ball if they really want to. Steve Adams played pro ball at 16 years old in New Zealand. Luther playing overseas is all you need to know about those leagues. He wasn't good. Undersized 4 that showed some flashes of being a good rebounder. That's literally it.

I'm not saying Cam wasn't good at Pitt, but it's a far cry from where he is now, or even at UNC. He was basically 50% from deep at UNC and dominated. You can't say he was a future lottery pick on this Pitt roster. He wasn't.

Again, not here to defend Stallings. He went 0-19 and there's noway to defend that. Capel hasn't been any better IMO.