Bottom line is Ben isn't the leader you hope your QB would be and neither is tomlin to be honest. but they aren't getting rid of ben or tomlin in the offseason. If Brown can't deal with that they have to move him even though chances are they won't be as good after the trade, multiple reports have said Brown got all pissy after JuJu got team mvp. I didn't hear anything about Ben throwing a fit about it.
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It would be a lot easier to replace AB than it will be to replace Ben or Tomlin .
A 30 yr old (31 in July ] is not young for WR .
If you can get a quality defensive player and a high draft pick I’d say don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out AB .
I’m not saying that AB isn’t a great player , but sometimes enough is enough . But only if you get value in return do I cut him loose .
AB has shown childish behavior a zillion times on the sidelines , think it’s not getting old for his teammates !
It appears that Ben has matured and learned from his boorish behavior of his youth not so for AB .
Haley seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way , not just Ben .
The pays pretty good , but thinking coaching a bunch of young rich , egotistical , famous twenty ( in this case thirty ) somethings is easy I think your not thinking clearly .
A 30 yr old (31 in July ] is not young for WR .
If you can get a quality defensive player and a high draft pick I’d say don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out AB .
I’m not saying that AB isn’t a great player , but sometimes enough is enough . But only if you get value in return do I cut him loose .
AB has shown childish behavior a zillion times on the sidelines , think it’s not getting old for his teammates !
It appears that Ben has matured and learned from his boorish behavior of his youth not so for AB .
Haley seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way , not just Ben .
The pays pretty good , but thinking coaching a bunch of young rich , egotistical , famous twenty ( in this case thirty ) somethings is easy I think your not thinking clearly .
AB isn't all that easy to just trade and receive a lot in return.
To trade him, that contract goes with him. At 31(when season starts) and owed 65+ million, with that attitude. Yes on the field he's talented, but factor in the 3 things mentioned. 50% of the teams are going to be out.
Those still in at best may give a 1st round pick if it's a late 1st. No one will give us a top 5/10 pick.
Personally I'm thinking a 2nd & conditional 4th.
I heard an interview with Bill Polian on Thursday. He said Steelers wouldn't get that much either.
An interesting time for the Steelers for sure.
To trade him, that contract goes with him. At 31(when season starts) and owed 65+ million, with that attitude. Yes on the field he's talented, but factor in the 3 things mentioned. 50% of the teams are going to be out.
Those still in at best may give a 1st round pick if it's a late 1st. No one will give us a top 5/10 pick.
Personally I'm thinking a 2nd & conditional 4th.
I heard an interview with Bill Polian on Thursday. He said Steelers wouldn't get that much either.
An interesting time for the Steelers for sure.
I loathe Rottenberger.....but AB is a jackass. I'd dump him in the worst possible way. And if Harrison makes Canton, I wouldn't send anyone from the Steelers.
Like I said, it's a RISK, personally I'd rather have big balls and roll dice rather than play it safe. So I fully accept the result if it blows up in my face, I'd rather do that than roll with a Kordell Stewart for 7 years.
Agree with this, think they will be fortunate to get a 1st rounder for him. Dallas gave up a #1 for Amari Cooper, but he’s almost 7 years younger and still working on his rookie deal.
Kordell was way more successful than cousins.
Kordell appeared in 9 playoff games with a 5-4 record.
Cousins has made 2 thus far with an 0-2 record
I didn’t question its ease or difficulty. The argument was that Brown never lost a game for the Steelers and I gave two examples of potential counter arguments.
I'm thinking a 1st and a 3rd for Brown will be the return. Or a young player instead of the 3rd. I read Raiders 1 + Carl Joseph. I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Cooper = 1st
Cooks = 1st 2 times
Watkins = 6th and a young starting cb
Benjamin = 3rd and a 7th
Cooper = 1st
Cooks = 1st 2 times
Watkins = 6th and a young starting cb
Benjamin = 3rd and a 7th
Just saw a tweet from Chris Paul, stating “it doesn’t cost anything to be a good person”.
Why don’t people understand this?
They welcomed Harrison on the field with the likes of Mean Joe Greene in the ceremony at the Patriots game just 3 weeks ago.
This is show business now, not old style football. Art SR and Dan are dead. Most of the players are divas. It sells. Not your pappy's Steelers.
You keep saying this doesn’t make it true. Steeler ownership does not look favorably upon th diva show business. They just don’t. Playoff wins, preferably home paydays in the playoffs, are the stated goals and what matters.
If they keep AB and resign Lev bell, then you’re on to something.
Again, this shows that AB is a selfish sob. He's more worried about the "power" that an all-pro voter like Peter King has, and less about owning up to his contractual agreement to the Steelers organization and his teamates.
I wonder how many games Mike Evans is going to sit out and pout over. My guess is 0.
Cousins hasn't had a chance yet. And I'd rather take a chance with a guy that can throw.
As for Kordell, unlike Ben who carries the whole team, that would probably go 6-10 every year without him, Kordell was carried by the defense and Bettis. and Bettis could never win a ring, until Ben carried him there.
This franchise is completely out of control.
How can they expect to change the culture when the top of the franchise is acting like jerks too.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/dc-unite...arrested-for-public-swearing-and-intoxication
How can they expect to change the culture when the top of the franchise is acting like jerks too.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/dc-unite...arrested-for-public-swearing-and-intoxication
Who's dying, he still has several years to play, look at Philip Rivers, he's done nothing either, but still going, it's not out of the question that Cousins can succeed down the road.
So what, he paid his fine, he'll be sober the day the season opens, who cares? I'm drunk all the time.
Sober up.
If the Stillers over pay for a mediocre qb like cousins -they’ll be in trouble
I guess that's an opinion, he's had great numbers and an NFL team thought otherwise. I never watched him much, but I'm 100% sure you can do worse.
I just want them to PAY for a QB, whether it be with a top draft pick or money, rather than go cheap with some mediocre 3rd round pick or 5th rounder.
Rivers wasn’t a late bloomer. He’s been very good his entire career. And while neither Cousins nor Rivers have won anything it’s still an absurd comparison. Rivers has a shot at the HOF despite never winning. Cousins is just ok. He’s been around long enough that he is what he is. There’s not gonna be any kind of great leap.
No Cousins career wasn't much different than Rivers, they both sat a year or two, then became starters. Not absurd at all, you can stack up the seasons Cousins has started up against Rivers and they are just as good or better, it's absurd to say otherwise.
I guess 4298 yards 70% completions, 30 TDs 10 INTS is "just ok".
Yes. He’s just ok. And was ranked 15th this year. Rivers was 4th.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/viking...ranks-kirk-cousins-in-middle-of-the-pack/amp/
Steelers have lowered expectations these days. They’re capable of anything.
Bell decision was already made and was a money thing. Totally money. Even though Bell had committed stupid pothead antics for years, they didn't abandon him until it became a money thing. Because running backs are easy commodities to find cheap.
Brown is a more premium position player so we'll indeed see how they tolerate all this. My bet is a lot more than with Bell.
Incorrect the contract that goes with him is 3 years and 44 million the other 21 million is bonuses that go against the Steelers cap. AB is actually a pretty good bargain for the new team which is why they shouldn't take anything less than a mid round one and mid round third
