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I didn’t see anyone in this thread say otherwise.Don’t care. Guy was awesome and should have been a first ballot HOFer.
Nah, not when you hit 1/3 of your HRs and earn 2/3 of your MVPs after age 35 when it's incredibly obvious you took your juicing to a new level. If he'd just have retired in '99 he's be in the HOF right now.Don’t care. Guy was awesome and should have been a first ballot HOFer.
Don’t care that he was juicing. Other HOFers did. And cheated in other ways.Nah, not when you hit 1/3 of your HRs and earn 2/3 of your MVPs after age 35 when it's incredibly obvious you took your juicing to a new level. If he'd just have retired in '99 he's be in the HOF right now.
I do. If he cheated and was known to do so, then he doesn’t belong. As I tell my kids, I don’t care what your friends do, you have rules and if you break them there are consequences.Don’t care that he was juicing. Other HOFers did. And cheated in other ways.
I'm sorry but it was never proved that he juiced. So unless somebody can show me otherwise, he's a first ballot HOF.I do. If he cheated and was known to do so, then he doesn’t belong. As I tell my kids, I don’t care what your friends do, you have rules and if you break them there are consequences.
But as a parent, it’s hard to explain that the guy cheated and received pay raises and an improved quality of life by doing so.
So should we throw out all the current HOFers that have cheated? Gotta be consistent right?I do. If he cheated and was known to do so, then he doesn’t belong. As I tell my kids, I don’t care what your friends do, you have rules and if you break them there are consequences.
But as a parent, it’s hard to explain that the guy cheated and received pay raises and an improved quality of life by doing so.
lol, i agree. I dont think he was that much bigger at end of his career than when he was here in pittsburgh..I'm sorry but it was never proved that he juiced. So unless somebody can show me otherwise, he's a first ballot HOF.
Other than he started using BALCO before the 2000 season for his supplements and weight training.I'm sorry but it was never proved that he juiced. So unless somebody can show me otherwise, he's a first ballot HOF.
nope, that doesnt count. we need visual proof of a big needle going into his arm or it doesnt count. Like when Drago got injected by evil russian scientists wearing lab coats in Rocky 4.Other than he started using BALCO before the 2000 season for his supplements and weight training.
Then BALCO was raided and found to be producing designer steroids and masking agents. They also found their client list.
Then when the case was unsealed it revealed that he tested positive for steroids 4 separate times for 3 different steroids and different masking agents.
That kind of proof?
Absolutely. If they broke rules that were in place that enabled them to play at a higher level, then take them out.So should we throw out all the current HOFers that have cheated? Gotta be consistent right?
Isn’t the obvious growth of his head evidence?nope, that doesnt count. we need visual proof of a big needle going into his arm or it doesnt count. Like when Drago got injected by evil russian scientists wearing lab coats in Rocky 4.
unless you have this you can link, all else is not valid..
yes man, i was being sarcastic. i think the evidence is pretty clear.Isn’t the obvious growth of his head evidence?
I know you were. I forgot to put the 🤣 after my comment.yes man, i was being sarcastic. i think the evidence is pretty clear.
i dont have any strong opinions about Bonds good or bad. the sanctity of the baseball hall of fame has been debunked decades ago.
Bonds still IS. I never heard Babe Ruth ever mentioned as anything like Cobb or Williams.So were Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth
he beat women and allegedly killed his first wife so he didnt have to pay her so he could marry someone else.. but who cares. im not kidding or being sarcastic either, like who really cares? SHe was probably a pain in the ass anyways..Bonds still IS. I never heard Babe Ruth ever mentioned as anything like Cobb or Williams.
Ruth over ...everybody
If you say so....killed his first wife so he didnt have to pay her so he could marry someone else..
name a couple and the "cheating" offenses you speak of and we can debate it..that's what we are here for..So should we throw out all the current HOFers that have cheated? Gotta be consistent right?
lol, i wasnt there man, and if he beat up women or didnt, again, no one cares.If you say so....
Bonds still IS. I never heard Babe Ruth ever mentioned as anything like Cobb or Williams.
Ruth over ...everybody
Really? Then you have no problem with nitters that love Paterno and defend Sandusky? After all he produced some very good defenses.lol, i wasnt there man, and if he beat up women or didnt, again, no one cares.
im with you guys, if they are good on the field, put em in the HOF. it's old timer, baseball traditionalists who hold up some mythical sanctimonious garbage as a pre-requisite for enshrinement. it's silly and hypocritical.
dude hit a ton of dingers, give him a bust and move on
I'm Kurt Schilling and I approve this message....lol, i wasnt there man, and if he beat up women or didnt, again, no one cares.
im with you guys, if they are good on the field, put em in the HOF. it's old timer, baseball traditionalists who hold up some mythical sanctimonious garbage as a pre-requisite for enshrinement. it's silly and hypocritical.
dude hit a ton of dingers, give him a bust and move on
since we are bantering about I found this, it appears Ruth and his first wife had separated and she was living with a dentist (as his wife) at the time of her death. Ruth it appears knew where she was and she died in Watertown while he was in NYC. Lastly according to the article he was visibly upset when addressing her death with the reporters. Babe's first wifelol, i wasnt there man
lol, what?Really? Then you have no problem with nitters that love Paterno and defend Sandusky? After all he produced some very good defenses.
You are arguing a conspiracy theory against someone with a QShaman profile pic...since we are bantering about I found this, it appears Ruth and his first wife had separated and she was living with a dentist (as his wife) at the time of her death. Ruth it appears knew where she was and she died in Watertown while he was in NYC. Lastly according to the article he was visibly upset when addressing her death with the reporters. Babe's first wife
he was married 3 months later, he got over it quick.. Lastly according to the article he was visibly upset when addressing her death with the reporters. Babe's first wife
Haha, its 19 degrees outside, I won't get called back to work until March 6th at the earliest, I can't start drinking High Lifes on Friday afternoon with no Pitt game this weekend plus who needs it with the Panthers doing so well lately , I'm going stir crazy......You are arguing a conspiracy theory against someone with a QShaman profile pic...