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OT Calling out Steel Curtain

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andypappas

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Steel Curtain where are you?

Last summer you were giddy posting your stats about how much better a goalie Matt Murray was than Mark Andre. What are you saying now?

I am a Penguin fan and have been my whole life, but to take such a small sample size and gloat about how much better one goalie was than the other was ridiculous. While Murray may be the goalie of the future, Fleury is far from being washed up and thrown on the scrap heap.

Can't wait for your reply.
 
Trade Murray, use flower for another year or two til the goalie in Scranton is ready. Better trade value
 
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Swervin27 said:
Trade Murray, use flower for another year or two til the goalie in Scranton is ready. Better trade value
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I'd seriously look into this. Not do it per se, but if you think Jarry is good, and you have MAF for at least a couple more year, Murray can fetch a big return.
 
The Murray for Doug Hamilton rumors from last year are already out there again.

Steel was adament that Fleury would not be on the roster this year....
 
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If this postseason has shown anything- it's that you better have 2 capable goalies if you want to progress in the playoffs.

Swervin27 said:
Trade Murray, use flower for another year or two til the goalie in Scranton is ready. Better trade value
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joeydavid said:
If this postseason has shown anything- it's that you better have 2 capable goalies if you want to progress in the playoffs.
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I thought it showed that playing a team game that sacrifices for the good of the team > any 1 player. Which is what I said about last year's team when numb nuts was drooling all over Murray. Either goalie would have won the cup last year and either goalie would have the Pens in the situation they are in right now. Some will have problems figuring this out, but Fleury is the better long term cap option for the Penguins in net.

This team just breezed through round 1 and the caps with no Kris Letang, who many thought was the irreplacable player. They also won last game with no Sid, Sheary and a 1 legged hornqvist.
 
recruitsreadtheseboards said:
I'd seriously look into this. Not do it per se, but if you think Jarry is good, and you have MAF for at least a couple more year, Murray can fetch a big return.
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I've been saying they should trade jarry, still a big time prospect. Murray has obviously proven more than him and I'd be more comfortable with him as the future. But I'm not against trading either. I just don't see the benefit of keeping Murray and jarry, one of them would be wasting their career away as a backup here.
 
I don't like calling people out, but this is something I would like for him to explain. Citing all these stats made him out to be an expert.

He actually reminds me of a blogger for the Craps who has stated the Craps are the better team. Guy is throwing out all these stats but in the end looks real stupid. Like Steel
 
Pittx9 said:
I've been saying they should trade jarry, still a big time prospect. Murray has obviously proven more than him and I'd be more comfortable with him as the future. But I'm not against trading either. I just don't see the benefit of keeping Murray and jarry, one of them would be wasting their career away as a backup here.
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Trading Jarry does nothing for you. No offense, you know why and how this works? Move assets, salary get return.
 
recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Trading Jarry does nothing for you. No offense, you know why and how this works? Move assets, salary get return.
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I'm not opposed to trading Murray, I would just prefer him over jarry. And this trade would have to be with Vegas, so you're not really gonna get any players in return anyways. What trading jarry does is enables you to keep fleury and Murray.

I wasn't really looking into anything other than how to keep fleury and one of Murray/jarry through the expansion draft. If they keep fleury he has to be the goalie protected, they would then have to make a gentleman's agreement with Vegas asking them to not take either Murray or jarry and offer them something in return.

I don't mean to be argumentative if that's how I came across, it sounds to me though like we are looking at this from two different angles.
 
Pittx9 said:
I'm not opposed to trading Murray, I would just prefer him over jarry. And this trade would have to be with Vegas, so you're not really gonna get any players in return anyways. What trading jarry does is enables you to keep fleury and Murray.

I wasn't really looking into anything other than how to keep fleury and one of Murray/jarry through the expansion draft. If they keep fleury he has to be the goalie protected, they would then have to make a gentleman's agreement with Vegas asking them to not take either Murray or jarry and offer them something in return.

I don't mean to be argumentative if that's how I came across, it sounds to me though like we are looking at this from two different angles.
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Need to get fleury's cap hit off the books. He will not be here next season. If not traded, he will be bought out..
 
You trade Murray because you can get an extremely young and talented defenseman like Hamilton back. Hamilton not only improves your 2nd pairing, but also protects you when Letang gets hurt again.

Jarry will bring nothing in return and you still have $10 million spent on salary cap between the pipes. You move Murray and save 4 million, then only have a little over 6 with Fleury and Jarry....then Jarry takes over on a low salary with Fleury taking a paycut to remain here as the backup. If you keep Murray, then you'll be paying him 6+ and having a higher goalie cap hit in the long run.
 
PhPanther1 said:
You trade Murray because you can get an extremely young and talented defenseman like Hamilton back. Hamilton not only improves your 2nd pairing, but also protects you when Letang gets hurt again.

Jarry will bring nothing in return and you still have $10 million spent on salary cap between the pipes. You move Murray and save 4 million, then only have a little over 6 with Fleury and Jarry....then Jarry takes over on a low salary with Fleury taking a paycut to remain here as the backup. If you keep Murray, then you'll be paying him 6+ and having a higher goalie cap hit in the long run.
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Murray is not getting a player of Hamiltons caliber.. not a chance
 
Elderly Mall Walker 1985 said:
Murray is not getting a player of Hamiltons caliber.. not a chance
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Really? Did you see how well Calgary did this year without a big time goalie? Hamilton was more of a disappointment this year for Calgary. So IF IF the Pens would look into trading one of the goalies, Murray brings more in return.

I would have no problem going into next year with Fleury and Jarry. I also read somewhere that Filip Gustavsson may be a better prospect than both Murray and Jarry.
 
andypappas said:
Really? Did you see how well Calgary did this year without a big time goalie? Hamilton was more of a disappointment this year for Calgary. So IF IF the Pens would look into trading one of the goalies, Murray brings more in return.

I would have no problem going into next year with Fleury and Jarry. I also read somewhere that Filip Gustavsson may be a better prospect than both Murray and Jarry.
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There are too many goalies In the market this year. They will not give Doug H up for an injury prone goalie with the worst glove hand in the NHL.
 
Elderly Mall Walker 1985 said:
There are too many goalies In the market this year. They will not give Doug H up for an injury prone goalie with the worst glove hand in the NHL.
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This is your opinion and I am fine with that. All is that I know is that Calgary was interested in Murray last year. We will see what happens in the off-season
 
Pittx9 said:
I wasn't really looking into anything other than how to keep fleury and one of Murray/jarry through the expansion draft.
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How does the expansion draft stop the Pens from keeping Fleury and one of either Murray or Jarry? It's not like Lss Vegas is allowed to pick two Penguins goalies, so if all the Pens want is to end up with Fluery and one of the other two they don't need to do anything at all.
 
PhPanther1 said:
Weak according to who? The top 10 was pretty damn strong by anyones standards. Tkachuk played 76 games and put up 48 points from the #6 spot.
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Tkachuk was in the 2016 draft. The 2017 draft is regarded as the weakest in over a decade, maybe 15 years. Just not a great draft this year.
 
Marathon Phil 1985 said:
Have to protect a player with a no trade clause...
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Right, which has nothing to do with what will happen if the Pens want to keep Fleury and one of the other two. If that's what they want then the protect the guy that they are required to protect and they take their chances with the other two.
 
I thought the smart move last summer would have been to trade Murray for a haul (including a young goalie prospect), sign MAF to an extention of a few years, and develop Jarry (better prospect than Murray until last year). I was ridiculed at the time. But I realize goalies tend to have short lifespans in the NHL and that MAFs sustained success is nothing to be discarded lightly. It's a big risk but risks will be required to sustain success as the core of the team ages.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
How does the expansion draft stop the Pens from keeping Fleury and one of either Murray or Jarry? It's not like Lss Vegas is allowed to pick two Penguins goalies, so if all the Pens want is to end up with Fluery and one of the other two they don't need to do anything at all.
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If they want fleury yes they will have two goalies either way. And actually Vegas won't even be able to take jarry. So if they think jarry is gonna be better than Murray, yeah they don't have to do anything at all.

I just think fleury/Murray is the best way to go and have suggested offering them jarry in a trade in exchange for Vegas not taking Murray. But also if they just wanna save money, they'll buy out fleury and keep Murray/jarry, I just don't like having two young goalies with one being a backup their whole pens career.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
Right, which has nothing to do with what will happen if the Pens want to keep Fleury and one of the other two. If that's what they want then the protect the guy that they are required to protect and they take their chances with the other two.
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It wouldn't be a "take your chances" leaving Matt Murray unprotected. It would be 100% he is taken by Las Vegas and you get nothing. Jarry isn't even eligible to be picked. One of Murray and Fleury will be traded this off-season either to Las Vegas with an agreement to not pick any other Penguins or to another franchise, leaving the other protected.
 
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