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OT: Duke raised $340M in athletic funds since 2007

What clear goal, they set a target and the alumni donated whatever and far exceeded that goal. Communications were most likely sent out to the large donors. That is the funniest thing. Pitt fans need absolutely catered to. At least the ones on here. Too dumb to figure out the simplest things. I'm guessing someone has to wipe your ass every time you crap too.
Whoa. Getting a little sensitive for someone so convinced of your own righteousness?

Get away from the paneled offices, and sit in on a class or two in the Business school. Learn a little about satisfying your customers.

Then remember to take Gallagher his mid morning Green Tea Smoothie and poppy seed muffin.
 
Pitt has never made the concerted effort to put their fundraising machine behind a campaign for athletics.

Hell, they finally got around to creating an acceptable Panther Club website rather than a single page with a link that said donate.
 
Whoa. Getting a little sensitive for someone so convinced of your own righteousness?

Get away from the paneled offices, and sit in on a class or two in the Business school. Learn a little about satisfying your customers.

Then remember to take Gallagher his mid morning Green Tea Smoothie and poppy seed muffin.
With all sincerity, I'm surprised you are even here with your absolute disdain of the Pitt administration. It must be very frustrating - I know I couldn't be a fan if I felt like you did.
 
Duke finished in the top 25 once since 2007. Not sure where the "results" are on the football field for that investment. I'd say the trajectory of the programs are at least parallel in football.

If you want to cite basketball as the difference, that's fine but one program continued to recruit at a top level and one didn't.
 
With all sincerity, I'm surprised you are even here with your absolute disdain of the Pitt administration. It must be very frustrating - I know I couldn't be a fan if I felt like you did.
I actually don't know how some of you can be fans (especially paying fans) of such efforts. It's a really stacked deck.

I appreciate what the athletes are able to do (although some really shouldn't have been brought in at this level, especially the basketball players of the past year... in over they're heads... but that isn't their fault). In many ways Pitt teams have overachieved.

I even appreciate and understand the coaches, although cynically I realize most of them are mercenaries who will jump ship at next best opportunity. Its the system, bad or good.

I really don't get at all what the administration is doing however. And not just these particular characters, but going back to pulling the rug out of athletics periodically.

Conducting sports as they do really isn't doing the university much of a service. It loses money for the school and embarrasses it far too often, not with game losses, which happen ... but with big things like debacles with the coaches and ADs and more frequent ones like inconsistencies with the discipline, episodes of cheapness etc.

They'll bizarrely have instances that give hope, like the multiple ups for Dixon (which showed definite commitment to great basketball at the time), or the rare professionalism shown in hiring Narduzzi. I don't think he'd have signed on if he didn't think there was real intent to compete.

So they show positive signs. Only to then lapse.

So again, it's more bewildering than frustrating. What are they truly trying to accomplish?

Since I have a couple diplomas with the school name on it, it's in my best interest to be a "fan" ... and that they improve.

Getting harder each year to have any faith though.
 
Duke finished in the top 25 once since 2007. Not sure where the "results" are on the football field for that investment. I'd say the trajectory of the programs are at least parallel in football.

If you want to cite basketball as the difference, that's fine but one program continued to recruit at a top level and one didn't.

4 bowl games in the last 5 seasons, that's excellent for Duke.
 
Duke finished in the top 25 once since 2007. Not sure where the "results" are on the football field for that investment. I'd say the trajectory of the programs are at least parallel in football.

If you want to cite basketball as the difference, that's fine but one program continued to recruit at a top level and one didn't.
Duke football has done close to a 180 in the last 10-15 years. They have a much nicer stadium which can compete with other venues in the ACC and now draw many more fans to the games. I understand the lack of ranking, but the picture is bigger than that.
 
I actually don't know how some of you can be fans (especially paying fans) of such efforts. It's a really stacked deck.

I appreciate what the athletes are able to do (although some really shouldn't have been brought in at this level, especially the basketball players of the past year... in over they're heads... but that isn't their fault). In many ways Pitt teams have overachieved.

I even appreciate and understand the coaches, although cynically I realize most of them are mercenaries who will jump ship at next best opportunity. Its the system, bad or good.

I really don't get at all what the administration is doing however. And not just these particular characters, but going back to pulling the rug out of athletics periodically.

Conducting sports as they do really isn't doing the university much of a service. It loses money for the school and embarrasses it far too often, not with game losses, which happen ... but with big things like debacles with the coaches and ADs and more frequent ones like inconsistencies with the discipline, episodes of cheapness etc.

They'll bizarrely have instances that give hope, like the multiple ups for Dixon (which showed definite commitment to great basketball at the time), or the rare professionalism shown in hiring Narduzzi. I don't think he'd have signed on if he didn't think there was real intent to compete.

So they show positive signs. Only to then lapse.

So again, it's more bewildering than frustrating. What are they truly trying to accomplish?

Since I have a couple diplomas with the school name on it, it's in my best interest to be a "fan" ... and that they improve.

Getting harder each year to have any faith though.
I hear your frustration and I share in some of the disappointment. I will continue to donate though to help in any way to improve the situation.
 
Duke football has done close to a 180 in the last 10-15 years. They have a much nicer stadium which can compete with other venues in the ACC and now draw many more fans to the games. I understand the lack of ranking, but the picture is bigger than that.

Duke has made big improvements. HUGE actually, in terms of where their football program was compared to now. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply trolling for fun, or stupid.

The point I made earlier is that Duke apparently made athletics a priority of the overall University campaign. From day 1 they made an effort to fundraise for athletics and the alums/fans stepped up to the plate and exceeded their original goal. I stated that Pitt, to my knowledge, did not do this. They secured athletics donations during the campaign timeframe, of course, but not as part of the campaign. At least, if it was, I never heard about it. They need to make athletics a part of the next campaign, and follow through with it, instead of start something that is allowed to fizzle out. Of course, some people hear that and think "OMG if a donor gives money to athletics then that means we don't get money for academics", and so it doesn't happen.

It's likely not a coincidence that Duke's campaign began in 2010 and now Duke football suddenly no longer sucks. It has at least a small role in their recent success.

Or, it could be totally coincidental, but I'm betting on the former.
 
Duke has made big improvements. HUGE actually, in terms of where their football program was compared to now. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply trolling for fun, or stupid.

The point I made earlier is that Duke apparently made athletics a priority of the overall University campaign. From day 1 they made an effort to fundraise for athletics and the alums/fans stepped up to the plate and exceeded their original goal. I stated that Pitt, to my knowledge, did not do this. They secured athletics donations during the campaign timeframe, of course, but not as part of the campaign. At least, if it was, I never heard about it. They need to make athletics a part of the next campaign, and follow through with it, instead of start something that is allowed to fizzle out. Of course, some people hear that and think "OMG if a donor gives money to athletics then that means we don't get money for academics", and so it doesn't happen.

It's likely not a coincidence that Duke's campaign began in 2010 and now Duke football suddenly no longer sucks. It has at least a small role in their recent success.

Or, it could be totally coincidental, but I'm betting on the former.

Thus supporting the notion that if the fans step up, the product can improve. Most P5 teams are in the same ballpark when it comes to conference media rights, etc, where the biggest difference comes in is the donations/ticket sales.

The university can only spend what is donated to go above and beyond.

Unfortunately, Pitt fans view it as a professional sport, where they think they are hurting the owners pocket book. Therefore missing how college athletics work.
 
Thus supporting the notion that if the fans step up, the product can improve. Most P5 teams are in the same ballpark when it comes to conference media rights, etc, where the biggest difference comes in is the donations/ticket sales.

The university can only spend what is donated to go above and beyond.

Unfortunately, Pitt fans view it as a professional sport, where they think they are hurting the owners pocket book. Therefore missing how college athletics work.

I'm afraid you are missing my point. Pitt needs to make a long term, consistent effort to increase their athletics support. That's the entire point of a campaign. Duke did that in it's latest fundraising campaign.
 
This is simplier than simply:
Mrs Buffett has a relative from SC who is a Gamecock fan and I have a relative who is from Alabama and is an Auburn fan.
These people love their schools and both have the means to donate "big" bucks.
But if they were poor they would still love their U's and give what they could!
IMO the problem is a lot of PITT fans just plain don't like the U, the sports teams, or something else!
If fans don't " love" the U, the sports, etc its a downhill slide to nowhere!
 
This is simplier than simply:
Mrs Buffett has a relative from SC who is a Gamecock fan and I have a relative who is from Alabama and is an Auburn fan.
These people love their schools and both have the means to donate "big" bucks.
But if they were poor they would still love their U's and give what they could!
IMO the problem is a lot of PITT fans just plain don't like the U, the sports teams, or something else!
If fans don't " love" the U, the sports, etc its a downhill slide to nowhere!
Yuck.
 
This is how other fans behave which is the complete opposite of PITT fans who make every excuse not to attend a game or donate!
Mrs Buffett and I travel 600+ miles RT+ $ 200-$300 hotel on the Northshore + food, drinks, season tickets = in the area of $4k for just home games + a donation!
And you lazy as-es from Pittsburgh come up with reasons not to attend or donate!
I'm predicting now /today in six years PITT will be in a MAC or similar conference!
 
This is simplier than simply:
Mrs Buffett has a relative from SC who is a Gamecock fan and I have a relative who is from Alabama and is an Auburn fan.
These people love their schools and both have the means to donate "big" bucks.
But if they were poor they would still love their U's and give what they could!
IMO the problem is a lot of PITT fans just plain don't like the U, the sports teams, or something else!
If fans don't " love" the U, the sports, etc its a downhill slide to nowhere!
With this knowledge you should realize what a difficult job the new AD has.
 
With this knowledge you should realize what a difficult job the new AD has.
Excuse me the new AD took the PITT job so she should be up to the challenge!

She had a perfectly good job at the powerful EMU???????????????????? Barely a good MAC sports program!

So far I see nothing!

Lets make it simple for you. Make me a list of her accomplishments and don't list the wrestling HC hire which was according to us wrestling fans not a good hire. To make it simple it was a Stallings quality hire!

I've accepted impossible assignments in my lifetime realizing this wll take a max effort just to survive !
 
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This is how other fans behave which is the complete opposite of PITT fans who make every excuse not to attend a game or donate!
Mrs Buffett and I travel 600+ miles RT+ $ 200-$300 hotel on the Northshore + food, drinks, season tickets = in the area of $4k for just home games + a donation!
And you lazy as-es from Pittsburgh come up with reasons not to attend or donate!
I'm predicting now /today in six years PITT will be in a MAC or similar conference!
Huh? I was responding to someone being an Auburn fan.
 
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