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OT: Pittsburgh off of Amazon's list

Panthergrowl13 said:
If true then Pittsburgh/Allegheny County should be so appreciative of Pitt/UPMC combo in the city/county and be more willing to accommodate most requests made by the University.

Consider that UPMC is the LARGEST employer (80,000 workers) in Pennsylvania and they have made the LARGEST contribution to the Pittsburgh Promise of $100 million.

Pittsburgh/Allegheny County were going to give all kinds of enticements to Amazon and Pitt can't even get the city to close Bigelow Blvd. by Cathedral for the safety of students crossing.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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yeah, if there was any common sense in the city, but there isn't. Instead we get yinzer idiots like Jim Ferlo who complain about "land grabs" by the university and do everything in their power to make things difficult.

I'm really surprised Romoff hasn't thought about moving the UPMC operations from USX to Cranberry and stick it to the Allegheny County/Pittsburgh politicians.
 
Swervin27 said:
you laugh, they proposed a zip line from mt Washington down to the north shore, not too long ago. more for entertainment purposes. not sure if it was close to happening or a pipe dream.

Regarding water taxis, years ago after a pitt game, I missed the usual boat from station square so I saw this little blue boat saying they'll take me over the river. so I pay 5 bucks, get in, they have a little bar so they make me a capt and coke, beautiful fall afternoon, im about 14 drinks in, feeling nice and then I realize they aren't taking me to station square, they are taking me up the Allegheny river by where the convention center is. I tell em I'm parked over by station square and they say they don't have the dock rights and this is the only place they can go. So of course I decide to have another capt and coke and I ultimately end up dropped off by the damn strip district.
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Dang, you are very entertaining!
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Las Panteras said:
Public transit weakness is the "public" reason

Likely not enough tax breaks, relative to other competing cities is the real reason.

It looks more and more like Wash DC area
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I hate this term, but this is "fake news" without an actual link from Amazon or the city of Pittsburgh.
 
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I have offices on both ends of those traffic patterns so unfortunately I travel both regularly.

Anecdotally today, there was a 12 minute delay heading down Greentree hill before the tunnels at 12:45. You didn't touch the brakes heading thru the Squirrel Hill tunnels. That's not uncommon from my experience.

Swervin27 said:
Greentree Hill Vs. Squirrel Hill tunnel-parkway east traffic? Hmmm, that's a good debate.. Man, im going to have to say going into city from east is worse but I've never had to do either.

I'd see those people backed up, still at least 2 miles from being at the squirrel hill tunnel every morning and wonder what time they have to be at work. It'd be 7:45am and there is no way, if they work in city, they are getting at their desk before 9:30am.
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joeydavid said:
Neither is good but Greentree hill is worse, imo. Parkway East can be easily avoided if you know the neighborhoods; if you don't, it's a tough drive.
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Agreed. I lived in the East and commuted to town for 14 years. I did Greentree Hill temporarily for 9 months and thought it was far worse, IMO.

I then very happily moved North about a year before they announced their 2.5 year Parkway North construction plan. Honestly though, the delays haven't been horrible. The express lane set-up makes it reasonable, sans any rush hour accidents, which seems like an almost daily thing in recent weeks.
 
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pittchagg said:
If you’re interested in missed opportunities, this is a much better read: https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/lost-tracks/Content?oid=1337712
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My God! The idiots that run our region should all be punched in the head! That was a very good read. I copied some paragraphs that struck me.


Back then, however, planners sought to join the tunnel to a much larger system, one that would connect the North Side to Oakland and the city as a whole. Reworking concepts first proposed in 1917, city engineers Daniel L. Turner and Winters Haydock offered up their 1925 Report on A Recommended Subway in the First and Second Wards of Pittsburgh, or Proposed First Step in a Rapid Transit Program.

They proposed a rail system beyond the imagination of T riders today. It would have joined East Liberty to the Central North Side, Squirrel Hill to the South Side, Beltzhoover to Perry Hilltop -- and all of them to Downtown. Such a system could have made Pittsburgh the Manhattan of the Alleghenies.

Turner and Haydock's top priority? A route they called the "Fifth Avenue Line" -- a two-track subway line with 17 stops connecting the Central North Side to Downtown, Soho, Oakland, Shadyside and East Liberty.

Future lines could be built later, they noted. But "this line will furnish a rapid transit connecting link between East Liberty, the Oakland center, the Triangle District and the North Side business area." Taken together, the Golden Triangle, the North Side and East Liberty made up the city's largest commercial engine; the planners sought to "weld such separate centers more nearly into a single community."
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That dream persisted for decades. And the year 1964, when the Port Authority was formed, might've seemed a good time to begin work on it. Instead the transit agency, built from the merger of dozens of struggling private bus and trolley companies, hung its hopes on a scheme that was even moreambitious: Skybus.

Proposed to replace old trolley lines in the South Hills, Skybus was a novel system featuring rubber-tired, driver-less coaches that would run on elevated guideways. Controversial from the start (some objectors preferred rail while others were spooked by buses that drove themselves), arguments grew so feverish that by 1974, funding for Skybus was suspended by the federal government. One year later, the Port Authority decided to give the South Hills light rail instead. The rest of the city -- particularly the East End, home to the region's largest number of transit users -- had to content itself with bus service.
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Edgewood's Brian Nogrady has long advocated that the East Busway be converted to light-rail, as the Port Authority once intended. Such a line could later be expanded to McKeesport or Monroeville. In 1998, Port Authority estimated that the cost of converting the busway to light rail from Downtown to Swissvale was about $401 million -- barely more than the cost of the North Shore Connector. Moreover, an East Busway route would travel six times farther and carry more riders.
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Another option: The Second Avenue line could connect to Panther Hollow and Oakland using a new type of self-propelled passenger car that travels along existing track used by freight railroads. According to Matt Galluzo, development specialist for Hazelwood Main Street, taking advantage of existing rails would almost certainly cost less than putting together properties in a new light-rail corridor.

Another option: The Second Avenue line could connect to Panther Hollow and Oakland using a new type of self-propelled passenger car that travels along existing track used by freight railroads. According to Matt Galluzo, development specialist for Hazelwood Main Street, taking advantage of existing rails would almost certainly cost less than putting together properties in a new light-rail corridor.
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In 1995, the Port Authority debuted for the public three possible Spinal alignments from Oakland to Downtown, as well as numerous options for connecting to the North Side. It seemed like promising progress, but in 1996, Spine Line went off the tracks again. This time, its derailment was driven by a government fiasco perhaps even more embarrassing than Skybus: Larry Dunn and Bob Cranmer.
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Then as now, the expense of connecting densely built Downtown, Oakland and the North Side via rail was staggering -- $1.4 billion according to a 1996 estimate, and undoubtedly higher today. But almost as impressive were the estimates of how many passengers such a line could serve. For instance, in 1991, the PittsburghPost-Gazette reported that a rail line serving the Central North Side, Downtown, the Hill, Oakland and Squirrel Hill could carry an estimated 84,500 daily riders, one-third of Port Authority's daily total. Oakland alone could board 54,000 people with just about four miles of track, dwarfing the 34,000 daily passengers then carried on the then 10.5 miles of the South Hills T. (The current North Shore Connector, by comparison is projected to carry only 10,942 passengers per day by 2015, according to Port Authority documents.)
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In 1983, the Port Authority began studying a rail line connecting Oakland to Downtown and the North Side. Turner and Haydock's vision seemed reborn: Dubbed the "Spine Line," the new system was envisioned as the backbone of a future rapid-transit system, one which would someday feed into branch lines serving other areas. The main line could also be extended east, to Homestead or Monroeville, or north via the I-279 HOV lane.
 
TempleBAPittMPA said:
Biggest Pittsburgh/Allegheny County transportation mistakes:
  • Wasting endless years on the "Skybus" debate (or should I say debacle)
  • Not making the busways (particularly the MLK busway) light rail lines instead.
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I've thought that for years!
 
Too bad on the zip lines!

I am looking forward to a possible 30 minute bullet train ride to Chicago or Philly, mostly for the dinner date options.
 
MarshallGoldberg said:
Too bad on the zip lines!

I am looking forward to a possible 30 minute bullet train ride to Chicago or Philly, mostly for the dinner date options.
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we got that in the works too. PIttsburgh to Chicago in under 30 minutes, compliments of the new high speed tube system, even a stop in Columbus if you'd like. All for the low low cost of 13Billion. I imagine something like that was in "The Running Man" but what do I know.

You'd think they'd use some sort of freight for a few years as a guinea pig, to work the bugs out, before using humans. like self driving cars, im a huge fan of waiting for version 2.0 before partaking. you know there will be some horror stories leading to fatalities so probably want to let some other people go first before jumping in that line.

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_621034.html
 
We can't have an efficient high speed rail system in the US because that's what the pu**y Europeans have.
 
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Swervin27 said:
i think Uber is going to be ultimately leaving the area, so there should be a lot of room in that almono - hazelwood area. I always hear about commercial space available for light industrial and tech companies but never hear anything specific as far as companies committing to moving there.

I wonder if they are having a hard time getting tenants?
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Uber is leasing space in Hazelwood, and their lease has about 2 years remaining. They have always been a temporary tenant in that location.
 
HailtoPitt said:
We can't have an efficient high speed rail system in the US because that's what the pu**y Europeans have.
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The Amtrak line between Detroit and Chicago has a sort of kind of high speed segment, the time you gain on it is erased when you hit Michigan City, Indiana, thanks to delays due to freight trains having priority into Chicago. It still beats dealing with Chicago drivers and traffic.
 
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
 
I'm not sure you realize that brick-and-mortar stores are part of the same economy as an Amazon.

PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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Yes

If I can order it from My phone, that’s my preference
 
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PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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After all, if we can get those kids working you don't have to worry about chasing them off your lawn.
 
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PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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You think Walmart is good for the economy but Amazon is not?
 
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PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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If it saves me from having to go to the mall during Christmas time for toy shopping, call me lazy all you want.

I go to mall and get stuck behind some damn mom who has a stroller the size of a small car with their 4 or 5 year old in it, I’m pissed. THE DAMN KID IS 4, IT CAN WALK, GET IT OUT OF A BABY STROLLER
 
joeydavid said:
I'm not sure you realize that brick-and-mortar stores are part of the same economy as an Amazon.
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Oh, so all the strip malls going out of business is a good thing. The uptick in warehouse temp employees Amazon hires for the holidays is not the same as thousands of brick and mortar locations that employ all year round.
 
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Progress is bad. While we are getting rid of Amazon let's also get rid of other stuff that put lots of other people out of work. Cars, phones, electricity and so on. I mean imagine how many people would be employed if we still had to farm the way they did 200 years ago just to feed everyone in this country.

If it's good enough for the Amish it's good enough for the rest of us!
 
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Maybe we could all go occupy wall street again.

Everything after all.....is the fault of greedy capitalists
 
Las Panteras said:
Maybe we could all go occupy wall street again.

Everything after all.....is the fault of greedy capitalists
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Hang out in a park in downtown america, living in a tent, crapping in the grass, leaving our heroine needles laying around and then we just up and leave and let the taxpayers fund our cleanup? Sounds fun.
 
Swervin27 said:
I used to work in Smithfield (just south of uniontown) for 3 years and would take the mon-Fayette expressway every day, to/from. I kid you not, I'd pass 2 maybe 3 cars tops in a 40mile drive. Every single day id be on that road, put cruise control on 70, stay in right lane and wouldn't see a car until I'd get close to uniontown.

Hey, I loved it (besides the tolls) but why in the world that road was build is beyond me. NO ONE uses that road..
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Everyone knew that before it was built, but the morons still built it. I wonder how many people got rich on selling right aways building that worthless highway. It makes the T under the river investment look ingenious.
 
upj87 said:
yep, if you have ever driven the DC beltway it is apparent that everyone down there uses public transit which allows you to blissfully cruise at 70 sans traffic or any trepidation or have the traffic nightmares that plague Pittsburgh...
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That literally made me do a coffee spit take thanks for that.

Living in old town alexandria and going to fort belvoir to work everyday is blissful for me, that is why i pay extra to live there. But I never leave and do stuff after work cause I just dont want to deal with the traffic. Adding Amazon would make it way worse. they would really need to invest some money in more bridges going to Maryland, and extending the interstates down to Fredericksburg, as everyone is moving out those ways just due to cost.
 
Gunga_Galunga said:
Everyone knew
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President Stache said:
That literally made me do a coffee spit take thanks for that.

Living in old town alexandria and going to fort belvoir to work everyday is blissful for me, that is why i pay extra to live there. But I never leave and do stuff after work cause I just dont want to deal with the traffic. Adding Amazon would make it way worse. they would really need to invest some money in more bridges going to Maryland, and extending the interstates down to Fredericksburg, as everyone is moving out those ways just due to cost.
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my biggest pet peave about Maryland (I worked in Rockville for a few years) is every single damn time there is a fender bender, these jerk offs get out of their car and exchange insurance with their cars still in the damn road.

Im telling you, this isn't a freak occurrence, they all do it. I'd be on 270, driving into town and the it'd take me 90 minutes to get to shady grove and I'd see two clowns writing down their license plate numbers, with their cars in middle of the road. PULL TO THE DAMN SHOULDER. you guys think im BS'ing with this but I swear I saw 3 people doing it on the beltway. ONe car was sideways, two others dinged up, 3 people out writing down info. I wouldn't get out of my car to pick up the lost ark of the covenant on the beltway and these psychos are writing down each other's names.

It's a Maryland/VA thing, you wreck your car, you don't pull off road, you make everyone else wait. F that state (Maryland, not Virginia). Seriously, F that whole state..
 
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PhPanther2 said:
Good. I won’t give Amazon a penny of my money. I like kids being able to get jobs at the age of 16 in brick and mortar stores. Are you people really that lazy that you are not willing to drive some where to get what you need? Are you really that cheap that you won’t spend a little extra money for the good of rhe economy?

I used to think my old man was nuts, but the longer I live, the more people prove him right.
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Your dinosaur wants to go for a walk.
 
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my biggest pet peave about Maryland (I worked in Rockville for a few years) is every single damn time there is a fender bender, these jerk offs get out of their car and exchange insurance with their cars still in the damn road.

Im telling you, this isn't a freak occurrence, they all do it. I'd be on 270, driving into town and the it'd take me 90 minutes to get to shady grove and I'd see two clowns writing down their license plate numbers, with their cars in middle of the road. PULL TO THE DAMN SHOULDER. you guys think im BS'ing with this but I swear I saw 3 people doing it on the beltway. ONe car was sideways, two others dinged up, 3 people out writing down info. I wouldn't get out of my car to pick up the lost ark of the covenant on the beltway and these psychos are writing down each other's names.

It's a Maryland/VA thing, you wreck your car, you don't pull off road, you make everyone else wait. F that state (Maryland, not Virginia). Seriously, F that whole state..
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That is because the whole area is filled with people that just dont gave a shit about other humans
 
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Swervin27 said:
I still hate the expos because of that... 99M down the line in left field? What the hell does that mean?
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Didn't they have the feet measurement painted under that? (Something like 325 feet, if I recall correctly.) I used to like to try to pick up the public address announcer in the background--some terminology I didn't get in French class.
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