OT: PSU and Rasir Bolton
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Maybe they meant top 10 in the Big Ten. That would be a good achievement for them.
This is what we have become. I suppose you think it is a good thing.
https://nypost.com/2018/08/24/former-head-of-cdc-arrested-for-groping-woman/
Frieden admitted to the charges and pled down to a disorderly conduct. He retained his job and dignity because he was honest.
I personally think that reporting the issue 10 months later is problematic as you note. I think most states have a short criminal statute of limitations on issues like this (I am not positive), which makes a lot of sense.
I think Joe makes a good point here though, which is that Bolton's situation is a lot different Frieden's situation. Bolton made an issue of this very quickly in-house whereas Frieden's accuser took much, much more time. He made an out of house issue much later because he felt that Chambers was disingenuous.
With PSU and Chambers, I really think the issue is more process and maybe honesty than the words themselves. It is very odd that Bolton was one that was recommended to go see a counselor, not Chambers. And, the fact that all parties disagree on what was said does often occur, but it is just very strange here.
It didn't take 10 months for the woman to report it, that's the time period for the police to take action. He even informed his employer of the accusation in April.
Gary - what is it you think should have happened here?
It took 9-10 months. It happened in October and she reported it in July of the following year unless I am reading the article wrong. Am I reading the article wrong?
The article states he made his employer aware in April, who then reviewed his actions within the office. The arrest happened in the ten month time frame.
That still means that it took her 10 months to file a report though. Evidently, he just had a period of time in which he knew it was coming.
I believe that means it took that long for the police to charge him, nothing more. No telling how long it took for an investigation, but I would think if he told his employer in April that she made an accusation prior to that.
I'm not trying to come across as argumentative.
Would you agree that "the climate" encourages claims and grievances to be made that are years old or current grievances that in a different time would not have necessarily gone public or received wide attention?
Bolton might have given more consideration to the possible implications for his own future in a different climate.
It is okay, I get what you are saying. And, I am not trying to be argumentative either.
Regardless, Frieden made a mistake, owned it and paid for it.
Getting back to Chambers, I just think it is very odd. He says he apologized, the family does not. You would figure that PSU would have a record of this somewhere, but it also seems like they tried to sweep it under the rug.
My general thought is that Chambers said something dumb and should have just apologized then (he says he did but the insistence on the other end is very strong).
I think a lot of bad situations arise from people making mistakes, denying them and not apologizing in the moment. If Bolton brought him the issue, he just said, "look, I was not thinking clearly about the connection with the words, I just want you to be better, I deeply apologize for not providing better words and if it caused you any pain" I think this never hits the light of day. And, Penn State has another very good player on their roster today.
I think the major difference here between Chambers and say Pat Narduzzi is that Narduzzi clearly owned the words and went quickly to his guys to explain himself and apologize. To me, that is the man thing to do. And, that is how to move things forward. He had a lot of equity built up it appears, so he had some flexibility. Maybe Chambers does with his kids as well.
You don't think this case was overcharged? He knew her for thirty years. You think a heart felt apology might have sufficed?
It’s not a good thing. It’s a great thing. Keep your fu**in hands to yourself. If I had a daughter or sister and someone did that to them I’d cave their teeth in.
And of course the climate has a lot to do with it. And that’s good too. For far too long victims have stayed scared and silent.
Why is your concern more about the act of reporting and not with sexual assault?
The answer to your question is "yes," but I am not sure if it is "the climate" as much as it is just the new normal. The evolution of people. We should respect each other more, have levels of empathy (which works both ways in certain cases). But, whatever we want to term it, I do not think this is a new 2020 thing. Claims of prior actions from years ago (let alone months, which actually makes Frieden's case different than a lot of others) have been occurring for what seems like the past 5 years. Maybe a little longer.
Some of these things have stopped a lot of serial abusers in their tracks (ex: Weinstein, Cosby). For that, I think it has been a great thing. I think that there are a lot of other things that are much less serious in nature and probably should have been addressed in the moment (I have seen a lot of guys get smacked and/or cussed out for what Frieden did at bars) and never discussed again. It is a very rough area to review; honestly one in which I lack serious depth other than to ask whether it was a crime and reported responsibly (and stay away from such situations myself).
Again. Why is your concern for the individual carrying out the assault. Who the f are you to say how a sexual assault victim should respond.
Bet you celebrated that the courts went easy on Brock Turner.
People as a Black man that works in a field where I'm usually the only one or maybe 2 of us and if I can go without saying anything stupid they should be able to do the same thing no excuses period! I give you respect so I command that I get the same respect back. I know that there's a couple of guys that probably never worked with a black man before and they're probably used to saying anything but as long as I don't hear I'm good but the moment you overstepped the line I will make sure I put you back over that line. As a coach he should've never been near that statement but for some reason he felt very comfortable saying what he said that's where the problem lies it wasn't a mistake it was comfortability that allowed him to say that.
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It was and is to bring the matter to the police.
Taking him out in handcuffs and charging what was charged was up to someone else.
Ah, come on, the real victim here is Frieden. I mean how could he have possibly known that playing a little grab-ass with a woman wasn't going to be seen as a sign of admiration and respect?
Back when men were men and women knew their place this sort of thing would have never happened.
This is solid. There will always be issues between different people. You don't have to like me, my race, my nationality, income class, religious beliefs, etc... That doesn't excuse you from treating people with respect, unless they've given you a reason not to.
I don't know what your point is here, are you still clinging to he should just have apologized and that was it? It was a sexual assault and settled with a plea bargain, most likely the victim agreed to it.
And you continue to defend abusers and assaulters. What’s your point. Why do you have more sympathy for the perpetrators than the victims?
I have no problem with someone holding a position as important as Kavanaugh being fully investigated for a credible assault accusation.
The fact that you think Kavanaugh is an example that supports metoo going "too far" is as hilarious as it is disturbing. That Kavanaugh is sitting on the highest bench in the land is clear evidence that the metoo movement hasn't gone nearly far enough.
Just checked in on this thread.
what happened to talking about Psu and Rasir Bolton? How did we get to ppl saying Kavanaugh shouldn’t be on the Supreme Court because Garth from Wayne’s World claims he touched her breast in 1988 when she was blacked out?
My fault I apologize.
I wasn't posting specifically about the Bolton case. I was pointing out there has been a great many never heard before accusations being raised by Black athletes. Many were several years old. These accusations had to have arisen from the George Floyd protests. These athletes, now speaking up, just want to be "a part" of the "movement".
I believe it has gotten out of hand, gone too far and I compared it to what has happened to the Me Too movement.
As one other poster has aptly noted, these movements have become "weaponized".
Here's the procedure....................in my opinion.
1) Have the good sense to understand your environment and audience. Most of us know what is acceptable and what is not. So everything starts here. But we all make mistakes......so if I say something that is offensive...............
2) Tell me about it. Before anything else. Tell me. Let me either explain my position as it was born out of innocence and ignorance, and apologize, and use this as is a teaching/learning moment. But, if I tell you to mind your own business or make a lame excuse and continue with the behavior.....then............
3) Go to my superiors. Tell them about it. If they do nothing, nor try and bring resolution then....
4) By all means, embarrass the hell out of them on social media. Leave, like Bolton did.
The problem is....many people go from 1 to 4.
1) Have the good sense to understand your environment and audience. Most of us know what is acceptable and what is not. So everything starts here. But we all make mistakes......so if I say something that is offensive...............
2) Tell me about it. Before anything else. Tell me. Let me either explain my position as it was born out of innocence and ignorance, and apologize, and use this as is a teaching/learning moment. But, if I tell you to mind your own business or make a lame excuse and continue with the behavior.....then............
3) Go to my superiors. Tell them about it. If they do nothing, nor try and bring resolution then....
4) By all means, embarrass the hell out of them on social media. Leave, like Bolton did.
The problem is....many people go from 1 to 4.
That's a really great attitude to have! Your lack of sympathy for victims of sexual assault is troublesome.
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Length of time from action to accusation has absolutely zero to do with credibility. No matter how much you want that to be the case.
When did attack occur? Where did attack occur? How did you get to location? How did you leave location? Who was there? Can anyone support your allegations?
Credible? How?
Agree, length of time makes no difference. You do have to provide these kind of details to be credible.
Go to a police station and make a complaint based on this lack of detail and see your complaint handled and dismissed in Avery short time frame. It would be extremely hard to proceed with no information, only an allegation.
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How can you post this at the same time you have all this sympathy for (generally) men who are credibly accused of sexual assault? The deck is so profoundly stacked against assault victims.
Absolutely racist dude. No fear if you understand and are learned about subjects that justifiably make people angry. You must don’t want to take the time because it’s not worth your effort and you kind of enjoy tweaking people occasionally. Am I right? So now you want to say crap but truly know you shouldn’t but you don’t know how to have a socially appropriate conversation with a person so you just avoid it. Recognize your privilege and work to change it.
No use arguing with people who find repressed memories retrieved from psychiatric patients under hypnosis therapy to be credible.
Learn to just walk away.
This is, to the word, the exact same thing that the Penn State truthers say when they try and argue that Sandusky's victims are lying.
The demographics of Penn State truthers and people who whine about Kavanaugh being a "victim" are 1:1.
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